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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 26, 2024 11:37:01 GMT
Blimey, we agree again. Thatcher's been out of power nearly thirty years and we've had three terms of Labour since. Anyone still blaming Thatcher is woefully detached from reality. Thatcher's been out of power nearly thirty years and we've had three terms of Labour since.
She died some 11 years ago too It's the double standard hypocrisy of the lefties, just watch if you try to blame Blair for the fuck up in the NHS and GP contracts, the first response from the lefties was 'Blair was 13 years ago, you can't blame him' .... LOL
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Post by see2 on Jul 26, 2024 13:58:42 GMT
Nope, just being realistic, and looking at the facts. You should try it some time. Its clear that logic and any resemblance to objectivity left you some time ago. Unfortunately for your narrative the economy started to go tits up when the UK became a service based economy. Blair endorsed this. It went tits up (and Major has blame here too, as do the Cons in general) when blue collar workers left the pits and industries as jobless. Blair bragged how the UK would become a 'knowledge economy' and indulged and encouraged a service based economy. Yet, this shift towards a service based model NEVER replaced the broad based employment of the industrial sector. Blair was only too happy to forget while wearing his blue rosette. The GFC exposed the underlying weakness in the UK economy that Blair had championed for, as there was nothing for the economy to fall back on and prop it up. Blair had ensured all eggs were laid in the financial services basket. And productivity since then has never recovered. Now, due to decades of declinism in the NHS and need of reformation in its case, an aging infrastructure and one of the most important issues of today - the lack of housing for people in Britain, immigration which is rightly pointed by the so-called "far right" adds an unwanted burden and stress to these key issues. Farage has rightly been pointing this out for fucking years. Yet, people like yo try and ignore the obvious. Now, you can try and blame Major, Thatcher or Cameron for this, but the blame encapsulates ALL policies from Britain's past including your deity, Tony Blair. Lack of housing is one of THE main issues today, and rising immigration adds to the issue of 'not enough homes'. Blair also opened the door to mass immigration back in the early 2000's. So he certainly has a guilty hand in the clusterfuck that is today's Britain. New Labour started to show the possibility of going "tits up" in late 2006, with more concern creeping in in 2007 the reasons for it became clear when the financial fiasco of the International Financial Meltdown hit in 2008. The early years as a Financial Based Economy were very successful. The Conservatives had destroyed so much of the UK economic out put and tax income by shutting down probably thousands of small and some not so small factories. That's how come the numbers of people without jobs increased so rapidly. Hence the Financial Sector became so convenient. Most of the unprofitable coal pits were closed by Labour before Thatcher arrived, but the death blow was taken by Thatcher who closed most pits including those considered profitable. Blair was not in a position where he could magic up the thousands of businesses and millions of jobs Lost during 18 years of Tory maladministration. Financial Services was a rescue move. Housing problems and immigration are recognised by most people. DO NOT POST LIES ABOUT ME. Farage has failed to come up with an answer 'for fucking years', big trouble making mouth but a sad brain. I have pointed out the pertinent parts regarding Blair who opened the door to Freedom of Movement for new EU countries in 2004 which the Tories agreed with, not mass immigration. I'm pro EU and I agree with FoM in a united Europe. When you throw everything including the kitchen sink into a debate your throw reality out.
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Post by see2 on Jul 26, 2024 14:09:32 GMT
That doesn't let Farage off the hook. Asylum seekers has exacerbated a lesser problem into a massive Problem. Thatcher destroyed thousands of businesses as those out of work approached 4 million. Many skilled, semi skilled, professionally trained and others found other ways of earning a living and never returned to their earlier positions. One of the changes you may recall were referred to as 'Mac Jobs'. I left engineering and retrained into a professional therapy. She also battered the NHS and Education causing many more cuts in employment. In addition to which the old apprenticeship system was crippled by the introduction of 'Self Employed'. This created a need for such people to be replaced thus we welcomed migration, even the Tory opposition welcomed it around 2004. There are many people from all sections of society who welcomed multiculturalism as a normal progression, especially in a country that has had such a wide spread Empire in the past. The extremism of a minority to push for multiculturalism is just the loud mothed mouthing off, they had no control over the levels of migration into this country. They just gave many an opportunity to blame others rather than a Tory government. "turning many towns and cities into tribal - crime ridden cesspits." This has happened because of the huge problems caused by asylum seekers, that is when it went OTT. A Problem, as far as I'm aware, that no Western government has found an answer to. Blaming everything on the "Left" is just your particular bias in action. Is anyone keeping score of the number of C2 pathetically stupid posts blaming Mrs T for every issue under the sun from burning the toast , why the blackberries are early this year, to the weather and foreigners coming to the UK ? She'll probably also get the blame from him for any Olympic medals not gained/lost by GB in Paris He even seems to think that no-one ever worked for themselves until Mrs T became PM !! Is anyone keeping track of the pathetically stupid lies posted by ratcliffe. Thatcher did a lot of things that resulted in long term damage to the UK, so when others speculate on actions taken by Blair that were made necessary by Thatcher, then truthful and objective comment is called for. Those that don't like this being done are those who seek to deceive and mislead.
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 26, 2024 17:01:25 GMT
Is anyone keeping score of the number of C2 pathetically stupid posts blaming Mrs T for every issue under the sun from burning the toast , why the blackberries are early this year, to the weather and foreigners coming to the UK ? I tried to at the other place, lost count at around 700. Which at the time was about 80% of his posts on the subject UK Politics. All The Best
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 26, 2024 17:02:44 GMT
Is anyone keeping score of the number of C2 pathetically stupid posts blaming Mrs T for every issue under the sun from burning the toast , why the blackberries are early this year, to the weather and foreigners coming to the UK ? She'll probably also get the blame from him for any Olympic medals not gained/lost by GB in Paris He even seems to think that no-one ever worked for themselves until Mrs T became PM !! Is anyone keeping track of the pathetically stupid lies posted by ratcliffe. Thatcher did a lot of things that resulted in long term damage to the UK, so when others speculate on actions taken by Blair that were made necessary by Thatcher, then truthful and objective comment is called for. Those that don't like this being done are those who seek to deceive and mislead. Yes, but none quote so damaging as Tony Blair's ideological commitment to uncontrolled immigration. All The Best
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Post by see2 on Jul 27, 2024 7:34:49 GMT
Is anyone keeping score of the number of C2 pathetically stupid posts blaming Mrs T for every issue under the sun from burning the toast , why the blackberries are early this year, to the weather and foreigners coming to the UK ? I tried to at the other place, lost count at around 700. Which at the time was about 80% of his posts on the subject UK Politics. All The Best Your political sickness was almost always recognised.
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Post by see2 on Jul 27, 2024 7:36:23 GMT
Is anyone keeping track of the pathetically stupid lies posted by ratcliffe. Thatcher did a lot of things that resulted in long term damage to the UK, so when others speculate on actions taken by Blair that were made necessary by Thatcher, then truthful and objective comment is called for. Those that don't like this being done are those who seek to deceive and mislead. Yes, but none quote so damaging as Tony Blair's ideological commitment to uncontrolled immigration. All The Best Blair never had a policy of uncontrolled immigration.
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 27, 2024 7:45:05 GMT
I tried to at the other place, lost count at around 700. Which at the time was about 80% of his posts on the subject UK Politics. All The Best Your political sickness was almost always recognised. Yes, almost always recognised as less pronounced, less partisan, and less racist than your own. All The Best
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Post by see2 on Jul 27, 2024 12:04:43 GMT
Your political sickness was almost always recognised. Yes, almost always recognised as less pronounced, less partisan, and less racist than your own. All The Best So now you resort to lies.
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 27, 2024 12:22:08 GMT
Yes, almost always recognised as less pronounced, less partisan, and less racist than your own. All The Best So now you resort to lies. Reall? The ONLY person ever to accuse me of racism there was you: for wanting Israel to be held accountable for Israel's actions. Even Steve noted your anti-Palestinian racism on more than one occassion. All The Best
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Post by see2 on Jul 28, 2024 20:55:08 GMT
So now you resort to lies. Reall? The ONLY person ever to accuse me of racism there was you: for wanting Israel to be held accountable for Israel's actions. Even Steve noted your anti-Palestinian racism on more than one occassion. All The Best Insisting on reality and truth is not racist. Stating that the Jews were harassed by the Palestinian Arabs from the moment the Ottoman rulers removed the chains of Dhimmitude from the Jews in 1858 making the Jews 'equal under the law' to the Arabs in Palestine, is a fact. That harassment led to the Jewish need to defend defend themselves. Yet you persistently accused the the Jews of starting and of being to blame for all the aggression between the two. I well remember telling you time and time again that there were two sides to the problem but you could never get away from blaming the Jews. IIRC More recently on this forum you went back a couple of thousand years in an attempt to make out that the people who became the Jews were killers from the start.
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 28, 2024 21:05:43 GMT
Reall? The ONLY person ever to accuse me of racism there was you: for wanting Israel to be held accountable for Israel's actions. Even Steve noted your anti-Palestinian racism on more than one occassion. All The Best Insisting on reality and truth is not racist. Stating that the Jews were harassed by the Palestinian Arabs from the moment the Ottoman rulers removed the chains of Dhimmitude from the Jews in 1858 making the Jews 'equal under the law' to the Arabs in Palestine, is a fact. That harassment led to the Jewish need to defend defend themselves. Yet you persistently accused the the Jews of starting and of being to blame for all the aggression between the two. I well remember telling you time and time again that there were two sides to the problem but you could never get away from blaming the Jews. IIRC More recently on this forum you went back a couple of thousand years in an attempt to make out that the people who became the Jews were killers from the start. Well that is a historical fact. It is OK when you go back a 1000 years to show Jews as victims, when I go back a little bit further and show them as oppressors that is suddenly wrong? Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. Read my signature, oh fuck it, I'll quote it for you just in case you are too dumb to find it on your own: Are you willing to endorse that statement? All The Best
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Post by see2 on Jul 28, 2024 21:28:38 GMT
Insisting on reality and truth is not racist. Stating that the Jews were harassed by the Palestinian Arabs from the moment the Ottoman rulers removed the chains of Dhimmitude from the Jews in 1858 making the Jews 'equal under the law' to the Arabs in Palestine, is a fact. That harassment led to the Jewish need to defend defend themselves. Yet you persistently accused the the Jews of starting and of being to blame for all the aggression between the two. I well remember telling you time and time again that there were two sides to the problem but you could never get away from blaming the Jews. IIRC More recently on this forum you went back a couple of thousand years in an attempt to make out that the people who became the Jews were killers from the start. Well that is a historical fact. It is OK when you go back a 1000 years to show Jews as victims, when I go back a little bit further and show them as oppressors that is suddenly wrong? Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. Read my signature, oh fuck it, I'll quote it for you just in case you are too dumb to find it on your own: Are you willing to endorse that statement? All The Best My point was not just true, it was relevant history. Going back thousands of years to a period when wars were commonplace, and not giving any understanding of the reasons, whys or wherefores of the conflicts makes no sense whatsoever. No, because it ignores cause and effect.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 28, 2024 21:28:53 GMT
I dont understand your signature - are you saying that Britain was to blame for all the Germans we killed between 1939 and 1945?
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 28, 2024 23:20:35 GMT
I dont understand your signature - are you saying that Britain was to blame for all the Germans we killed between 1939 and 1945? Yes. There really was no other option to war, but that does not make us responsible for our own actions. All The Best
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