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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 18, 2024 17:10:21 GMT
Constituency Work continues when Parliament is not in session. Well, at least that is the excuse they use for being paid for 365 days a year when Parliament sits for a lot less than that. Parliament 58 (the last one) sat for just 675 days from 2019-2024, out of a potential 1647 Days - so only just 40.98% of available days. source: commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04653/Let's not forget that MPs are paid from the Public Purse, and the Tories have been very firm on trying to make sure that the Public Purse get VFM, even to the point of cutting some NHS pay by over 30% in Real Terms. Funny then that they never turn that VFM microscope on themselves, isn't it. So to be paid for 365 Days a year an MP should be able to prove they actually work for their constituency for 365 days a year. Or they should have their salaries, and gold plated pensions adjusted accordingly. Given the calculation above they should only be receiving 41% of their annual salary and pension contributions. Er.. Farage is not a Tory... 🤔 And? What relevance does that have to my post? Oh, that's right... ...none at all. All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 18, 2024 17:20:06 GMT
Er.. Farage is not a Tory... 🤔 And? What relevance does that have to my post? Oh, that's right... ...none at all. All The Best Er - discussion about Farage not staying in UK on a thread about Farage.. ..and for some reason you start going on about what the Tories do.. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 18, 2024 21:05:59 GMT
And? What relevance does that have to my post? Oh, that's right... ...none at all. All The Best Er - discussion about Farage not staying in UK on a thread about Farage.. ..and for some reason you start going on about what the Tories do.. No I did not. I mention that ALL MPs spent just 40% of the potential days "on the job" actually on the job and yet get paid for 100% attendance. As things stand Nigel Farage falls under the umbrella of "ALL MPs". All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 18, 2024 21:19:04 GMT
Er - discussion about Farage not staying in UK on a thread about Farage.. ..and for some reason you start going on about what the Tories do.. No I did not. I mention that ALL MPs spent just 40% of the potential days "on the job" actually on the job and yet get paid for 100% attendance. As things stand Nigel Farage falls under the umbrella of "ALL MPs". All The Best All MP's eh? - I saw where you whinged about the Tories, still struggling to find a mention of Labour or the LibDems.. But I will keep on looking - I must have missed it. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 18, 2024 21:50:07 GMT
No I did not. I mention that ALL MPs spent just 40% of the potential days "on the job" actually on the job and yet get paid for 100% attendance. As things stand Nigel Farage falls under the umbrella of "ALL MPs". All The Best All MP's eh? - I saw where you whinged about the Tories, still struggling to find a mention of Labour or the LibDems.. But I will keep on looking - I must have missed it. Was it not clear to you that the link I provided was about the sitting days that applied to ALL MPs? I'd have a job complaining about the policy actions of Labour or the LibDems they have not been in power for the last 14 years. All The Best |
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Post by aristaeus on Jul 19, 2024 8:01:30 GMT
That's not an opinion, that is just a fact. It might be a fact you don't like, but is still a fact. All The Best Some people disagree therefore it must count as opinion, even most of the policies fall into the socialist bracket. Some people disagree that the earth is round, therefore its roundness must count as an opinion not fact. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 19, 2024 8:16:28 GMT
Some people disagree therefore it must count as opinion, even most of the policies fall into the socialist bracket. Some people disagree that the earth is round, therefore its roundness must count as an opinion not fact. I have dealt with that point already, the scientific evidence is pretty sound, with little disagreement on the roundness of the earth. I can quote scientists from Eratosthenes through Isaac Newton to every scientist working in the space programme who work on the scientific principle the earth is round. When it comes to the BNP, and I believe more lately Britain First, the evidence for the epithet affixed as beyond doubt by the great and the good of them being far right is a little shakier in terms of evidence and frequently is vanishingly small and certainly is moot at all times. This of course is the whole point that affixing a label to anything can make it so in the mind of the listeners. The round earth is a sound statement, the far right BNP or far right Britain First are far more difficult statements to present definitive reasons for making them and depend very much on opinion and viewpoint and that is what the BBC should not have by its own admission. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 19, 2024 11:43:07 GMT
Constituency Work continues when Parliament is not in session. Well, at least that is the excuse they use for being paid for 365 days a year when Parliament sits for a lot less than that. Parliament 58 (the last one) sat for just 675 days from 2019-2024, out of a potential 1647 Days - so only just 40.98% of available days. source: commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04653/ Let's not forget that MPs are paid from the Public Purse, and the Tories have been very firm on trying to make sure that the Public Purse get VFM, even to the point of cutting some NHS pay by over 30% in Real Terms. Funny then that they never turn that VFM microscope on themselves, isn't it. So to be paid for 365 Days a year an MP should be able to prove they actually work for their constituency for 365 days a year. Or they should have their salaries, and gold plated pensions adjusted accordingly. Given the calculation above they should only be receiving 41% of their annual salary and pension contributions. Er.. Farage is not a Tory... 🤔 He may still be a Tory at heart, he was once a right-wing Tory MP. He was a right-wing Tory activist. So when he said he intended to destroy the Conservative PARTY maybe he just thinks the Tory party were not right-wing enough, and what he has in mind is a hard-right Tory party. A Dandelion by any other name? Edit. AFAIA, Farage was intent on being a Tory activist along with his apparently normal right-wing instincts before he had even left school. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 19, 2024 11:50:33 GMT
No, you don't address my points you post nonsense variably imagined deviating thoughts, that are just your hideaway opinions.. Examples of such would be the BNP are a far right party, the EU is a Union of like minded countries for mutual benefit and Rishi Sunak was a Tory PM. So once again you hide behind imagination and opinion. If a fact is 'CLOAKED in opinion' then it is no longer just a fact. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 19, 2024 11:51:04 GMT
Er.. Farage is not a Tory... 🤔 He may still be a Tory at heart, he was once a right-wing Tory MP. So when he said he intended to destroy the Conservative PARTY maybe he just thinks the Tory party were not right-wing enough, and what he has in mind is a hard-right Tory party. A Dandelion by any other name? Your post is full of personal supposition and deliberate untruths (you would call them lies) as per your standard MO Farage was never a Tory MP |
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Post by see2 on Jul 19, 2024 12:48:25 GMT
He may still be a Tory at heart, he was once a right-wing Tory MP. So when he said he intended to destroy the Conservative PARTY maybe he just thinks the Tory party were not right-wing enough, and what he has in mind is a hard-right Tory party. A Dandelion by any other name? Your post is full of personal supposition and deliberate untruths (you would call them lies) as per your standard MO Farage was never a Tory MP Liar, personal opinion yes, that was obvious. But no deliberate lies. But you are right, he was not a Tory MP, that was my mistake, misled by the fact that he was an active Tory from leaving school, and recognised as a right-winger from early on. Farage left the Conservatives in 1992 in protest at Prime Minister John Major's government's signing of the Treaty on European Union at Maastricht. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 19, 2024 12:58:32 GMT
Your post is full of personal supposition and deliberate untruths (you would call them lies) as per your standard MO Farage was never a Tory MP Liar, personal opinion yes, that was obvious. But no lies, I leave lies to Rightists, its in their DNA. Farage left the Conservatives in 1992 in protest at Prime Minister John Major's government's signing of the Treaty on European Union at Maastricht. ( and noone else )posted as fact: he was once a right-wing Tory MP
That is a lie Farage was never been a Tory MP ( of any wing ) and has only been an MP of any description for less than a month I originally called it an untruth ,as you now deny making that statement thus I can safely assume that you are a typical lefty liar as you knowingly posted a deliberate lie and have refused to acknowledge its factual inaccuracy |
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Post by see2 on Jul 19, 2024 13:14:31 GMT
Liar, personal opinion yes, that was obvious. But no lies, I leave lies to Rightists, its in their DNA. Farage left the Conservatives in 1992 in protest at Prime Minister John Major's government's signing of the Treaty on European Union at Maastricht. ( and noone else )posted as fact: he was once a right-wing Tory MP
That is a lie Farage was never been a Tory MP ( of any wing ) and has only been an MP of any description for less than a month I originally called it an untruth ,as you now deny making that statement thus I can safely assume that you are a typical lefty liar as you knowingly posted a deliberate lie and have refused to acknowledge its factual inaccuracy Yes see my correction to my earlier post. And you are a typical Rightist piece of garbage. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 19, 2024 14:23:27 GMT
I addressed exactly your statement we need facts when in truth a 'fact' is often cloaked in opinion. Examples of such would be the BNP are a far right party, the EU is a Union of like minded countries for mutual benefit and Rishi Sunak was a Tory PM. So once again you hide behind imagination and opinion. If a fact is 'CLOAKED in opinion' then it is no longer just a fact. I am trying to point out that a 'fact' is a very uncertain thing and often opinion gets in the way. How a fact is reported the language used its timing and all sorts of things tell the tale. Take two assumed to be unrelated facts if they are reported together then an association is drawn. The bare words of the reports are, 'illegal immigration has risen by 50% in the last 6 months' and 'crime has risen for the sixth month in a row'. Both when reported are 'facts' which is what we need but there is guidance to opinion if they are reported with the latter being immediately after the former. Pictures, reports, layout, associated stories and context all play a part in making a 'fact' become a different thing. A few years back Kevin Spacey advertised an airline with several close ups of him being comfortable and being cossetted. Without a break we had a sudden picture of a haggard looking Spacey appearing in a film which was being advertised. That changed entirely the picture being painted in the airline advert yet it was a separate entity entirely. I suspect it was a deliberate joke by someone but may have been an accident. A 'fact' is very often cloaked in opinion despite it still being a fact. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 19, 2024 15:23:53 GMT
You ( and noone else )posted as fact: he was once a right-wing Tory MP
That is a lie Farage was never been a Tory MP ( of any wing ) and has only been an MP of any description for less than a month I originally called it an untruth ,as you now deny making that statement thus I can safely assume that you are a typical lefty liar as you knowingly posted a deliberate lie and have refused to acknowledge its factual inaccuracy Yes see my correction to my earlier post. And you are a typical Rightist piece of garbage. Edit 16.28: You have made no such correction , no edit , your lie is still in the same post on this thread ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/254520He may still be a Tory at heart, he was once a right-wing Tory MP. So when he said he intended to destroy the Conservative PARTY maybe he just thinks the Tory party were not right-wing enough, and what he has in mind is a hard-right Tory party. A Dandelion by any other name?
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So you ''correct'' your lie only after you've twice been told that your statement of fact was an untruth No gratitude whatsoever from you for me trying to help you out of the deepening hole you'd dug for yourself Then you've got the bare faced cheek to call me a Rightist piece of garbage  |
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