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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 5, 2024 20:06:10 GMT
Here's a thought. Farage supported Liz Truss's Mini-Budget, claiming it was "the best Conservative budget since 1986". Some people claim there is growing support for Farage and Reform UK's policy set. Reform UK's economic policy is not hugely dissimilar to Truss's lunacy. It should, therefore, stand to reason that IF there is support for such economic policy those that espouse it should either gain new seats, or retain existing seats. However, Liz Truss was ousted, losing one of the largest majorities in this election. I just do not see any evidence, thus far, of a genuine groundswell of support for Reform UK and their policies. All The Best Look we don't know to this day why Liz Truss Mini-Budget brought down the World Economy.
But if I had a suspicious nature I'd be very dubious.
I think Liz Truss was the fall guy or in this case the fall girl... she was set up from the get-go I know it, we know it, and the establishment know it.
The Tories were destined to FAIL ... purposely.
Yeah we do. It was fiscal and monetary lunacy. All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 5, 2024 21:59:27 GMT
Here's a thought. Farage supported Liz Truss's Mini-Budget, claiming it was "the best Conservative budget since 1986". Some people claim there is growing support for Farage and Reform UK's policy set. Reform UK's economic policy is not hugely dissimilar to Truss's lunacy. It should, therefore, stand to reason that IF there is support for such economic policy those that espouse it should either gain new seats, or retain existing seats. However, Liz Truss was ousted, losing one of the largest majorities in this election. I just do not see any evidence, thus far, of a genuine groundswell of support for Reform UK and their policies. All The Best Truss was ousted by the Tory MP's - not by the country. And as for support for Reform - in 6 short years they have become the 3rd most popular party in the country, overtaking the LibDems who have been around since 1859. So how fast are you expecting them to grow? |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 5, 2024 22:21:06 GMT
Look we don't know to this day why Liz Truss Mini-Budget brought down the World Economy.
But if I had a suspicious nature I'd be very dubious.
I think Liz Truss was the fall guy or in this case the fall girl... she was set up from the get-go I know it, we know it, and the establishment know it.
The Tories were destined to FAIL ... purposely.
Yeah we do. It was fiscal and monetary lunacy. All The Best What are we comparing it with thats not saying it isn't but are we comparing it with decades of borrowing and printing money (on a computer screen) record debt, boom and busts, even flat-out bankruptcy a failing infrastructure and several cost-of-living crisis to name but a few. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 5, 2024 23:31:22 GMT
Here's a thought. Farage supported Liz Truss's Mini-Budget, claiming it was "the best Conservative budget since 1986". Some people claim there is growing support for Farage and Reform UK's policy set. Reform UK's economic policy is not hugely dissimilar to Truss's lunacy. It should, therefore, stand to reason that IF there is support for such economic policy those that espouse it should either gain new seats, or retain existing seats. However, Liz Truss was ousted, losing one of the largest majorities in this election. I just do not see any evidence, thus far, of a genuine groundswell of support for Reform UK and their policies. All The Best Truss was ousted by the Tory MP's - not by the country. And as for support for Reform - in 6 short years they have become the 3rd most popular party in the country, overtaking the LibDems who have been around since 1859. So how fast are you expecting them to grow? 1) Truss lost a 32,000 majority in her own seat. She has clearly been rejected by the electorate. 2) Where has this sudden lie that Reform are the 3rd Party come from? They are not! The Lib-Dems, SNP and Sinn Fein all have MORE seats than Reform; and in our, much flawed, FPTP system Seats is what matters, not nation-wide % of the vote. If we had PR you'd have a point; but we don't, so you don't. FFS this is already feeling like see2 blaming all of New Labour's many failures of the International Financial Meltdown; it is revisionist bollocks, and should be called out as such. Reform UK stood candidates for election in a FPTP system; in that FPTP system they are NOT the 3rd placed party, they are the 6th placed party. All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 6, 2024 6:56:59 GMT
Truss was ousted by the Tory MP's - not by the country. And as for support for Reform - in 6 short years they have become the 3rd most popular party in the country, overtaking the LibDems who have been around since 1859. So how fast are you expecting them to grow? 1) Truss lost a 32,000 majority in her own seat. She has clearly been rejected by the electorate. 2) Where has this sudden lie that Reform are the 3rd Party come from? They are not! The Lib-Dems, SNP and Sinn Fein all have MORE seats than Reform; and in our, much flawed, FPTP system Seats is what matters, not nation-wide % of the vote. If we had PR you'd have a point; but we don't, so you don't. FFS this is already feeling like see2 blaming all of New Labour's many failures of the International Financial Meltdown; it is revisionist bollocks, and should be called out as such. Reform UK stood candidates for election in a FPTP system; in that FPTP system they are NOT the 3rd placed party, they are the 6th placed party.All The Best You can only the fight the election as it is - not as you would wish it to be. But that does not diminish the fact that Reform have been remarkably successful is such a short period of time. There will now be a push from the smaller parties across the spectrum for a referendum on PR - just as we saw when UKIP were pushing for a referendum on EU membership. And we all know how that worked out. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 6, 2024 6:58:05 GMT
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 6, 2024 7:14:46 GMT
1) Truss lost a 32,000 majority in her own seat. She has clearly been rejected by the electorate. 2) Where has this sudden lie that Reform are the 3rd Party come from? They are not! The Lib-Dems, SNP and Sinn Fein all have MORE seats than Reform; and in our, much flawed, FPTP system Seats is what matters, not nation-wide % of the vote. If we had PR you'd have a point; but we don't, so you don't. FFS this is already feeling like see2 blaming all of New Labour's many failures of the International Financial Meltdown; it is revisionist bollocks, and should be called out as such. Reform UK stood candidates for election in a FPTP system; in that FPTP system they are NOT the 3rd placed party, they are the 6th placed party.All The Best You can only the fight the election as it is - not as you would wish it to be. But that does not diminish the fact that Reform have been remarkably successful is such a short period of time. There will now be a push from the smaller parties across the spectrum for a referendum on PR - just as we saw when UKIP were pushing for a referendum on EU membership. And we all know how that worked out. Yes we all know how that worked out a mess |
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 6, 2024 7:19:29 GMT
Here's a thought. Farage supported Liz Truss's Mini-Budget, claiming it was "the best Conservative budget since 1986". Some people claim there is growing support for Farage and Reform UK's policy set. Reform UK's economic policy is not hugely dissimilar to Truss's lunacy. It should, therefore, stand to reason that IF there is support for such economic policy those that espouse it should either gain new seats, or retain existing seats. However, Liz Truss was ousted, losing one of the largest majorities in this election. I just do not see any evidence, thus far, of a genuine groundswell of support for Reform UK and their policies. All The Best Liz Truss seems to have been ousted by a very personal targeted campaign to oust her rather than any general swing away from real conservatism |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 6, 2024 7:20:20 GMT
You can only the fight the election as it is - not as you would wish it to be. But that does not diminish the fact that Reform have been remarkably successful is such a short period of time. There will now be a push from the smaller parties across the spectrum for a referendum on PR - just as we saw when UKIP were pushing for a referendum on EU membership. And we all know how that worked out. Yes we all know how that worked out a mess A victory is a victory Mind you here is a thought: I don’t like the result of the general election. Can I demand a re-run, just as Starmer did after the Brexit referendum? |
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 6, 2024 7:20:28 GMT
Here's a thought. Farage supported Liz Truss's Mini-Budget, claiming it was "the best Conservative budget since 1986". Some people claim there is growing support for Farage and Reform UK's policy set. Reform UK's economic policy is not hugely dissimilar to Truss's lunacy. It should, therefore, stand to reason that IF there is support for such economic policy those that espouse it should either gain new seats, or retain existing seats. However, Liz Truss was ousted, losing one of the largest majorities in this election. I just do not see any evidence, thus far, of a genuine groundswell of support for Reform UK and their policies. All The Best Look we don't know to this day why Liz Truss Mini-Budget brought down the World Economy.
But if I had a suspicious nature I'd be very dubious.
I think Liz Truss was the fall guy or in this case the fall girl... she was set up from the get-go I know it, we know it, and the establishment know it.
The Tories were destined to FAIL ... purposely.
nail - head -hit |
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 6, 2024 7:21:44 GMT
Look we don't know to this day why Liz Truss Mini-Budget brought down the World Economy.
But if I had a suspicious nature I'd be very dubious.
I think Liz Truss was the fall guy or in this case the fall girl... she was set up from the get-go I know it, we know it, and the establishment know it.
The Tories were destined to FAIL ... purposely.
Yeah we do. It was fiscal and monetary lunacy. All The Best No , it was a communication issue , the ''establishment' weren't told in advance |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 6, 2024 7:23:17 GMT
Here's a thought. Farage supported Liz Truss's Mini-Budget, claiming it was "the best Conservative budget since 1986". Some people claim there is growing support for Farage and Reform UK's policy set. Reform UK's economic policy is not hugely dissimilar to Truss's lunacy. It should, therefore, stand to reason that IF there is support for such economic policy those that espouse it should either gain new seats, or retain existing seats. However, Liz Truss was ousted, losing one of the largest majorities in this election. I just do not see any evidence, thus far, of a genuine groundswell of support for Reform UK and their policies. All The Best Liz Truss seems to have been ousted by a very personal targeted campaign to oust her rather than any general swing away from real conservatism over 2/3rds of Tory Seats lost were lost to Reform so that does not indicate any great move away from real conservatism.. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 6, 2024 7:25:12 GMT
Yes we all know how that worked out a mess A victory is a victory Mind you here is a thought: I don’t like the result of the general election. Can I demand a re-run, just as Starmer did after the Brexit referendum? Yea of course you can its a Democracy |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 6, 2024 7:32:52 GMT
Even some of those on the left get it...
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Post by wapentake on Jul 6, 2024 7:33:23 GMT
A victory is a victory Mind you here is a thought: I don’t like the result of the general election. Can I demand a re-run, just as Starmer did after the Brexit referendum? Yea of course you can its a Democracy Great ,I’ve a better idea can we pretend that Starmer won and can get on with whatever his plans are but in reality block it at every turn via the civil service and say all the people who voted for him are thick and stupid and will soon be dead so it really doesn’t count? Sounds good doesn’t it?  |
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