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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 4, 2024 15:28:11 GMT
Representative Democracy is NOT Direct Democracy. All The Best EXACTLY. It helps to avoid the unreliable whims of public opinion. The Public Opinion IS Democracy you fuckwit. All The Best |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 4, 2024 15:28:15 GMT
The Representative Democracy we already practice. I take it you mean that minority of those who voted remain who don't accept the narrow result. Farage would not have accepted such a "narrow defeat" if the shoe had been on the other foot. It's just a human problem that wouldn't exist if a reasonable set majority had been required for a win. What's Farage got to do with it? As you lot keep pointing out, he's never even been an MP. Nothing much, Cameron was told if he wanted to win the election he had to offer the people a referendum, or we would make sure he couldn't win, he accepted the challenge and kept his word although he still thought he could as Prime minster he could turn it in his favour. He as much told the EU the same thing, which they thought they had enough power to deny him anything and still win the referendum, some actual history for you, that will never actually go in any history book. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 4, 2024 15:34:43 GMT
Freedom of Movement of labour, especially cheap labour to depress domestic wages, while driving up living costs is a key tool of globalisation. All The Best The Public Opinion IS Democracy you fuckwit. All The Best As you know, we don't often agree but you're smashing the ball out of the park of late.  |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 4, 2024 16:16:37 GMT
Yes, I know you Sunak poodles like to see him denigrating the opposition, insinuating and lying about taxation and spending. The highest taxation, so he trims a little off National insurance which amongst other thing funds the NHS, where he knows the Tories have cut the annual funding by half and robbed billions out of the funding for hospital building maintenance. A nasty little con job. I couldn't miss the opportunity to try to put an end to Tory lying, insinuating denigration and nastiness. I was one of the first to vote Labour with my postal vote LOL. If Starmer fails to get elected it would be stupidity as normal. Voted against by Dome-heads. Sunak has cost the conservatives this GE, he should have been kicked out months ago to give the Tories a glimmer of hope, we have him to thank for the possibility of a big victory for Starmer, I doubt Sunak has many 'poodles' round him more like rottweilers . This general election was lost way before Sunak became pm. You're not that politically naive. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 4, 2024 16:20:49 GMT
Sunak has cost the conservatives this GE, he should have been kicked out months ago to give the Tories a glimmer of hope, we have him to thank for the possibility of a big victory for Starmer, I doubt Sunak has many 'poodles' round him more like rottweilers . This general election was lost way before Sunak became pm. You're not that politically naive. Don't be daft if the inner circle hadn't put Sunak as leader the Tories would be looking at a Hung parliament now, they had no chance once Sunak was made leader all the hard hitters either resigned or just gave up, you can't lose main players and expect to win GE, the same fate awaits the SNP they chose the wrong leader, and I suspect they are going to take the hit, although they did have the good sense to ditch him just in time. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 4, 2024 16:31:54 GMT
This general election was lost way before Sunak became pm. You're not that politically naive. Don't be daft if the inner circle hadn't put Sunak as leader the Tories would be looking at a Hung parliament now, they had no chance once Sunak was made leader all the hard hitters either resigned or just gave up, you can't lose main players and expect to win GE, the same fate awaits the SNP they chose the wrong leader, and I suspect they are going to take the hit, although they did have the good sense to ditch him just in time. Blimey, it's almost like you've forgotten the last 5 years, even though you've tried to make excuses for most of it. Probably deserving of a separate thread though. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 4, 2024 16:32:21 GMT
The Representative Democracy we already practice. Representative Democracy is NOT Direct Democracy. All The Best It is neither very representative or very democratic.... |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 4, 2024 16:32:57 GMT
Sunak has cost the conservatives this GE, he should have been kicked out months ago to give the Tories a glimmer of hope, we have him to thank for the possibility of a big victory for Starmer, I doubt Sunak has many 'poodles' round him more like rottweilers . This general election was lost way before Sunak became pm. You're not that politically naive. They never recovered after partygate. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 4, 2024 16:33:34 GMT
After Cameron, May and Johnson I think the Tories became complacent. That's why the men in grey suits felt suitably comfortable sacking Truss and appointing Sunak, who just weeks before she beat in the leadership race. That left a bad taste in the mouths of many Tory voters. It pains me to say this, but the Tories need a wake up call, and there's no wake up call like losing an election.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 4, 2024 16:37:03 GMT
This general election was lost way before Sunak became pm. You're not that politically naive. They never recovered after partygate. And apparently it's coming up on the doorstep a lot. People haven't forgotten. I don't think that the Tories have been ahead in the polls since then, hence my observation that this ge was lost years ago, long before Sunak became PM. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 4, 2024 16:38:23 GMT
Don't be daft if the inner circle hadn't put Sunak as leader the Tories would be looking at a Hung parliament now, they had no chance once Sunak was made leader all the hard hitters either resigned or just gave up, you can't lose main players and expect to win GE, the same fate awaits the SNP they chose the wrong leader, and I suspect they are going to take the hit, although they did have the good sense to ditch him just in time. Blimey, it's almost like you've forgotten the last 5 years, even though you've tried to make excuses for most of it. Probably deserving of a separate thread though. How can you forget a government that took us through a Pandemic and a War in unprecedented recent times.
The only consulation we had ....... thank fuck it wasn't Labour taking us through them.
The last time Labour were faced with a Global financial crisis in 2008 Gordon Brown crapped his pants sold off chunks of our gold reserves on the cheap, and any other state assets that he could get his grubby hands on that weren't nailed down, then handed a Brankrupt UK over to the Tories in 2010 you've just forgotten how bad a Labour government was.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 4, 2024 16:42:42 GMT
They never recovered after partygate. And apparently it's coming up on the doorstep a lot. People haven't forgotten. I don't think that the Tories have been ahead in the polls since then, hence my observation that this ge was lost years ago, long before Sunak became PM. Agree completely. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 4, 2024 16:50:02 GMT
They never recovered after partygate. And apparently it's coming up on the doorstep a lot. People haven't forgotten. I don't think that the Tories have been ahead in the polls since then, hence my observation that this ge was lost years ago, long before Sunak became PM. What ideas did Labour come up with during the Pandemic ....... oh that's right .... NONE.
They just played the political football with it, EXPLOITING the deaths of Covid victims and their families to get a leg up the political ladder ... that's far more disgusting than anything the Tories did during the pandemic.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 4, 2024 17:22:11 GMT
that's far more disgusting than anything the Tories did during the pandemic. I told you that you seem to have forgotten everything that the Tories have done during the last 5 years. Fortunately the public haven't, and are punishing you for it as we speak. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 4, 2024 17:25:45 GMT
that's far more disgusting than anything the Tories did during the pandemic. I told you that you seem to have forgotten everything that the Tories have done during the last 5 years. Fortunately the public haven't, and are punishing you for it as we speak. Like dealing with a global pandemic, for instance. Thank god Labour were not in charge for that. |
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