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Post by piglet on Jun 26, 2024 9:27:31 GMT
I wonder if this country faces the same challenges the Russian public face, that when they want a change of government they dont, cant, get one. Ours is more camoflaged, we all labour under the false impression we live in a democracy.
When we have stuff foisted on us all the time. Im supposed to ignore limitless immigration, corruption, bankrupcy, celebrate two blokes putting their willies up each others bottoms, s hit in the water, no health care, clogged schools roads etc.
Damn those people.
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 26, 2024 10:33:38 GMT
...Exactly whose intelligence is being insulted... Well certainly not yours since you don't appear to have any. But if Reform are only 4% behind the Tories then they are likely to gather a considerable number of votes, so of course they should be heard. Not that I'd expect the undemocratic left to understand that. It is entirely possible for Reform, in pre-election day polls, to be polling close to, or even above the Conservatives, and for that to result in no seats in parliament. The Polls are national voting intention polls, and that may not transfer well to the constituency-based polls of elections day. Total number of votes won only means anything in a PR based system; we don't have that, we have FPTP; and FPTP is designed to do just one thing - keep the big-two as the big-two. And an awful lot of people, myself included, will likely be voting tactically to get the Tories out, and that really only means - in the vast majority of constituencies - a vote for Labour. The Conservatives are going to lose, massively; but I'd be genuinely shocked if Reform manage to get more than a handful of MPs elected. So they are not going to be forming a government, they are not IMO even going to be the official opposition (likely to be either Tories or, at a push, the Liberals). If I were a gambling man I'd be putting money on Reform getting between 2-6 seats. Do you honestly think they can manage more than that? It'd sure be interesting if they did, but I just can't see it happening. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 26, 2024 10:35:58 GMT
This was updated three hours ago: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68079726It compiles data from: BMG, Deltapoll, Electoral Calculus, Find Out Now, Focaldata, Ipsos, JL Partners, More in Common, Opinium, Norstat (formerly Panelbase), People Polling, Redfield and Wilton Strategies, Savanta, Survation, Techne, Verian (formerly Kantar Public), WeThink (formerly Omnisis), Whitestone Insight and YouGov All of whom are members of the British Polling Council. Which puts Reform 4% points behind the Tories, with an actual range of 2%-6% behind the Tories. So, I am wondering exactly what polls Dan Wootton is referring to. Has anyone got any evidence of a reputable polling company putting Reform ahead of the Tories. If Wootton's claim is anything like true there must be more than one, but I have not so far found one. I mean it is not like Wootton has a track record of having little to no journalistic integrity.... Oh, wait. All The Best I trust the BBC implicitly, of course. It was NOT a BBC Poll. The BBC are just doing what News Organisations do - REPORTING things. Other News Sources were available, but as they are all privately owned they are likely to be way less impartial than the BBC. All The Best |
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Don't blame me - I voted for someone else.
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Post by ginnyg2 on Jun 26, 2024 10:51:30 GMT
On the contrary. Civil Servants are recruited by job adverts in a left wing newspaper. They are all left wing. therefore they do their damned best to thwart and obstruct anything the government tries to do. I know you have said you were old, but you didn't say senile did you? Doesn't matter where Civil Servants are "recruited". What matters is who appoints them, and who can remove them from position. The answer to both of those questions in Government Ministers. Which government has been in power for 14 years? All The Best Hurling insults now are we? A sure sign of someone losing the debate. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 26, 2024 11:10:39 GMT
I know you have said you were old, but you didn't say senile did you? Doesn't matter where Civil Servants are "recruited". What matters is who appoints them, and who can remove them from position. The answer to both of those questions in Government Ministers. Which government has been in power for 14 years? All The Best Hurling insults now are we? A sure sign of someone losing the debate. You are aware that a " ?" denotes a question, an enquiry, and is not a statement. Right? I was asking, to determine if I need to be more explanative in my responses to you. If you feel I have insulted you I apologise, that was not my intent. How about you answer the other question I asked: Which Political Party has been in government for 14 years? The follow up to which would be: Therefore which Political Party has had the ability to both fire and hire Civil Servants if they feel the Civil Service has been too partial? BTW: There's an official website for Civil Service job adverts. All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 26, 2024 11:33:32 GMT
Hurling insults now are we? A sure sign of someone losing the debate. You are aware that a " ?" denotes a question, an enquiry, and is not a statement. Right? I was asking, to determine if I need to be more explanative in my responses to you. If you feel I have insulted you I apologise, that was not my intent. How about you answer the other question I asked: Which Political Party has been in government for 14 years? The follow up to which would be: Therefore which Political Party has had the ability to both fire and hire Civil Servants if they feel the Civil Service has been too partial? BTW: There's an official website for Civil Service job adverts. All The Best Hiding behind a question mark? |
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 26, 2024 11:42:06 GMT
Could this be "The Ukraine Effect" ?
Published this morning
Wesminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 41% (+1)
CON: 25% (+2)
RFM: 15% (-3)
LDM: 11% (+2)
GRN: 5% (=)
SNP: 3% (-1)
Via
@jlpartnerspolls
, 21-24 Jun.
Changes w/ 14-17 Jun.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 26, 2024 11:53:57 GMT
Take no notice to polls, I bet there are lefties out there banging on about voting Labour, but when they get to the ballot box they'll be thinking about their Labour hammering taxes, hammering the pensioners, hammering business, council tax, ULEZ/20mph zones, Labour are going to clobber nearly every walk of life, hence when they get to the ballot box they'll put their X anywhere other than Labour.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 26, 2024 12:24:00 GMT
Take no notice to polls, I bet there are lefties out there banging on about voting Labour, but when they get to the ballot box they'll be thinking about their Labour hammering taxes, hammering the pensioners, hammering business, council tax, ULEZ/20mph zones, Labour are going to clobber nearly every walk of life, hence when they get to the ballot box they'll put their X anywhere other than Labour. If you take no notice of the polls, then the fall of the Tory Party since the last election is going to be a shock for you... 🤭 |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 26, 2024 12:29:49 GMT
Take no notice to polls, I bet there are lefties out there banging on about voting Labour, but when they get to the ballot box they'll be thinking about their Labour hammering taxes, hammering the pensioners, hammering business, council tax, ULEZ/20mph zones, Labour are going to clobber nearly every walk of life, hence when they get to the ballot box they'll put their X anywhere other than Labour. If you take no notice of the polls, then the fall of the Tory Party since the last election is going to be a shock for you... 🤭 I never said the Labour were going to lose the GE, but yes I would be shocked if it was a landslide victory, I would have liked a hung parliament but I've gone off that idea because if Starmer picked the Lib-dems and Ed Davey for a coalition we may as well pack our bags now and book the next flight out of the UK, anywhere would be better than living here under a Starmer/Davey rule. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 26, 2024 12:31:53 GMT
I'd actually like that, but it isn't happening.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 26, 2024 12:34:51 GMT
I'd actually like that, but it isn't happening. Wow |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 26, 2024 12:43:29 GMT
Could this be "The Ukraine Effect" ? Published this morning Wesminster Voting Intention: LAB: 41% (+1) CON: 25% (+2) RFM: 15% (-3) LDM: 11% (+2) GRN: 5% (=) SNP: 3% (-1) Via @jlpartnerspolls , 21-24 Jun. Changes w/ 14-17 Jun. There were 3 polls out this morning, this one put Reform up 6 points. Westminster Voting Intention: LAB: 42% (-1) CON: 19% (-4) RFM: 15% (+6) LDM: 11% (+3) GRN: 7% (-2) SNP: 5% (=) Via @ipsosuk, 21-24 Jun. Changes w/ 31 May - 4 Jun. I'll see if I can convert that to seats... |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 26, 2024 12:49:04 GMT
Labour 501
LibDems 57
Tory 42
SNP 21
Plaid 4
Reform 3
Others 20
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 26, 2024 12:55:38 GMT
Well based on Andrew's Ipsos poll, according to Electoral Calculous this would be the result, however there is no SNP slot on their calculator.
CON 44.7% 376 15.0% 0 360 -360 16
LAB 33.0% 197 42.0% 331 3 +328 525
LIB 11.8% 8 11.0% 50 0 +50 58
Reform 2.1% 0 19.0% 4 0 +4 4
Green 2.8% 1 7.0% 1 0 +1 2
SNP 4.0% 48 3.4% 3 30 -27 21
Reform UK with 4 ( four ) seats
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