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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 25, 2024 18:05:41 GMT
In your mind, but in the real world we're quoting something that suggests Reform could beat the Tories. If we had PR you'd have a point, but we don't and you don't. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 25, 2024 18:08:03 GMT
Being second in the mess that exists isn't that difficult. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2024 18:12:40 GMT
In your mind, but in the real world we're quoting something that suggests Reform could beat the Tories. I think it's obvious that Sunak doesn't represent the right, and just appears to be a controlled opposition for Labour. I can understand why Labour and the BBC wouldn't want to upset that arrangement, especially when this establishment thought it was a certainty that they sucked the life out of this country and that we'd all be EUphiles. I want to see Starmer stand up to Farage. If we had PR you'd have a point, but we don't and you don't. This doesn't have anything to do with PR. This is about having an actual debate instead of some charade that insults everyones intelligence. Farage vs the Starmer/Sunak. I think those who have been enslaved by the BBC tax should get some of their money's worth. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 25, 2024 18:18:20 GMT
If we had PR you'd have a point, but we don't and you don't. This doesn't have anything to do with PR. This is about having an actual debate instead of some charade that insults everyones intelligence. Farage vs the Starmer/Sunak. I think those who have been enslaved by the BBC tax should get some of their money's worth. Of course it has everything to do with PR. If we had PR Reform would be challenging Tories for 2nd place. But under FPTP the only possible challenge will be from the LibDems. I don't see you screaming for Ed Davey to take part though. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 25, 2024 18:25:07 GMT
Mmmm, senile as well as racist.... All The Best Don't be so hard on yourself, Nulla. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2024 18:30:57 GMT
This doesn't have anything to do with PR. This is about having an actual debate instead of some charade that insults everyones intelligence. Farage vs the Starmer/Sunak. I think those who have been enslaved by the BBC tax should get some of their money's worth. Of course it has everything to do with PR. If we had PR Reform would be challenging Tories for 2nd place. But under FPTP the only possible challenge will be from the LibDems. I don't see you screaming for Ed Davey to take part though. No it doesn't. You're just looking for excuses to maintain the establishment status quo. Why would I scream for a certifiable lunatic like Davey? We've done the EU debate. This is about the UK. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 25, 2024 19:44:14 GMT
If we had PR you'd have a point, but we don't and you don't. This doesn't have anything to do with PR. This is about having an actual debate instead of some charade that insults everyones intelligence. Farage vs the Starmer/Sunak. I think those who have been enslaved by the BBC tax should get some of their money's worth. Exactly whose intelligence is being insulted by keeping a leader of a private company, that will never have enough MPs to form a five-a-side team much less a government, out of these debates. I actually have no real problems with Farage being included, as long as we also include Count Binface who stands as much chance of being elected as Farage (and actually has more sensible policies), as well as all the other Party Leaders. It should either be all the Party Leaders, or only those capable of forming a Government. But I honestly don't see any reason at all why Farage should be given special consideration. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 25, 2024 20:19:38 GMT
This was updated three hours ago: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68079726It compiles data from: BMG, Deltapoll, Electoral Calculus, Find Out Now, Focaldata, Ipsos, JL Partners, More in Common, Opinium, Norstat (formerly Panelbase), People Polling, Redfield and Wilton Strategies, Savanta, Survation, Techne, Verian (formerly Kantar Public), WeThink (formerly Omnisis), Whitestone Insight and YouGov All of whom are members of the British Polling Council. Which puts Reform 4% points behind the Tories, with an actual range of 2%-6% behind the Tories. So, I am wondering exactly what polls Dan Wootton is referring to. Has anyone got any evidence of a reputable polling company putting Reform ahead of the Tories. If Wootton's claim is anything like true there must be more than one, but I have not so far found one. I mean it is not like Wootton has a track record of having little to no journalistic integrity.... Oh, wait. All The Best |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 25, 2024 21:14:04 GMT
...Exactly whose intelligence is being insulted... Well certainly not yours since you don't appear to have any. But if Reform are only 4% behind the Tories then they are likely to gather a considerable number of votes, so of course they should be heard. Not that I'd expect the undemocratic left to understand that. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 25, 2024 21:15:26 GMT
Of course it has everything to do with PR. If we had PR Reform would be challenging Tories for 2nd place. But under FPTP the only possible challenge will be from the LibDems. I don't see you screaming for Ed Davey to take part though. No it doesn't. You're just looking for excuses to maintain the establishment status quo. Why would I scream for a certifiable lunatic like Davey? We've done the EU debate. This is about the UK. More dishonest posts from a dishonest fecktard. I'm in favour of PR you idiot! 🙄 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2024 6:46:28 GMT
No it doesn't. You're just looking for excuses to maintain the establishment status quo. Why would I scream for a certifiable lunatic like Davey? We've done the EU debate. This is about the UK. More dishonest posts from a dishonest fecktard. I'm in favour of PR you idiot! 🙄 1) we're not in PR, so your rambling deflections are meaningless.
2) trying to derail the thread into PR doesn't address the topic.
3) rambling on about PR when we're simply talking about a leader debate leads nowhere.
4) posting unprovoked insults after you have campaigned to have other members banned seriously exposes the hypocrisy behind this place.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 26, 2024 6:59:37 GMT
This doesn't have anything to do with PR. This is about having an actual debate instead of some charade that insults everyones intelligence. Farage vs the Starmer/Sunak. I think those who have been enslaved by the BBC tax should get some of their money's worth. Of course it has everything to do with PR. If we had PR Reform would be challenging Tories for 2nd place. But under FPTP the only possible challenge will be from the LibDems. I don't see you screaming for Ed Davey to take part though. The polls show the voting intention of a representative sample of the electorate, on smaller sample sizes they can extrapolate that to individual constituencies but realistically no one has any clear idea of how that will affect the situation in any given FPTP area. There will be group action in some constituencies and individual actions in others, for Reform there is all to play for, for Labour there is all to lose and for the Tories it seems like the Captain is going down with the ship. But then it can all change in a flash. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 26, 2024 7:54:25 GMT
This was updated three hours ago: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68079726It compiles data from: BMG, Deltapoll, Electoral Calculus, Find Out Now, Focaldata, Ipsos, JL Partners, More in Common, Opinium, Norstat (formerly Panelbase), People Polling, Redfield and Wilton Strategies, Savanta, Survation, Techne, Verian (formerly Kantar Public), WeThink (formerly Omnisis), Whitestone Insight and YouGov All of whom are members of the British Polling Council. Which puts Reform 4% points behind the Tories, with an actual range of 2%-6% behind the Tories. So, I am wondering exactly what polls Dan Wootton is referring to. Has anyone got any evidence of a reputable polling company putting Reform ahead of the Tories. If Wootton's claim is anything like true there must be more than one, but I have not so far found one. I mean it is not like Wootton has a track record of having little to no journalistic integrity.... Oh, wait. All The Best Polls are not worth squat; they all said the same things about Farage and the EU MEP vote he wiped the floor with them and had more votes than the rest put together. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2024 9:09:06 GMT
This was updated three hours ago: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68079726It compiles data from: BMG, Deltapoll, Electoral Calculus, Find Out Now, Focaldata, Ipsos, JL Partners, More in Common, Opinium, Norstat (formerly Panelbase), People Polling, Redfield and Wilton Strategies, Savanta, Survation, Techne, Verian (formerly Kantar Public), WeThink (formerly Omnisis), Whitestone Insight and YouGov All of whom are members of the British Polling Council. Which puts Reform 4% points behind the Tories, with an actual range of 2%-6% behind the Tories. So, I am wondering exactly what polls Dan Wootton is referring to. Has anyone got any evidence of a reputable polling company putting Reform ahead of the Tories. If Wootton's claim is anything like true there must be more than one, but I have not so far found one. I mean it is not like Wootton has a track record of having little to no journalistic integrity.... Oh, wait. All The Best I trust the BBC implicitly, of course. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 26, 2024 9:11:46 GMT
More dishonest posts from a dishonest fecktard. I'm in favour of PR you idiot! 🙄 1) we're not in PR, so your rambling deflections are meaningless.
2) trying to derail the thread into PR doesn't address the topic.
3) rambling on about PR when we're simply talking about a leader debate leads nowhere.
4) posting unprovoked insults after you have campaigned to have other members banned seriously exposes the hypocrisy behind this place.
You are right, I was out of order with the insult, I apologise. I'd enjoyed the England game too much down the pub. My point though is Reform needs PR to be successful. I'm in favour of PR. Under FPTP they will achieve little. |
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