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Post by see2 on Jun 26, 2024 13:23:10 GMT
Funny, I used to work for the civil service, it wasn't through a left-wing newspaper, and my line manager was a Tory. Did I ever tell you about my sprained ankle when I tripped on debris walking on the Moon ...  First class avoidance ^^^ Typical Tory. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 26, 2024 13:25:29 GMT
...Exactly whose intelligence is being insulted... Well certainly not yours since you don't appear to have any. But if Reform are only 4% behind the Tories then they are likely to gather a considerable number of votes, so of course they should be heard. Not that I'd expect the undemocratic left to understand that. Don't be so hard on yourself, Adolf. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 26, 2024 13:28:55 GMT
You are aware that a " ?" denotes a question, an enquiry, and is not a statement. Right? I was asking, to determine if I need to be more explanative in my responses to you. If you feel I have insulted you I apologise, that was not my intent. How about you answer the other question I asked: Which Political Party has been in government for 14 years? The follow up to which would be: Therefore which Political Party has had the ability to both fire and hire Civil Servants if they feel the Civil Service has been too partial? BTW: There's an official website for Civil Service job adverts. All The Best Hiding behind a question mark? Is that what you are doing? |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 26, 2024 13:53:48 GMT
Hiding behind a question mark? Is that what you are doing? Dontworry about it seenile . PV doesn’t need your help. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 26, 2024 14:11:24 GMT
Well certainly not yours since you don't appear to have any. But if Reform are only 4% behind the Tories then they are likely to gather a considerable number of votes, so of course they should be heard. Not that I'd expect the undemocratic left to understand that. It is entirely possible for Reform, in pre-election day polls, to be polling close to, or even above the Conservatives, and for that to result in no seats in parliament. The Polls are national voting intention polls, and that may not transfer well to the constituency-based polls of elections day. Total number of votes won only means anything in a PR based system; we don't have that, we have FPTP; and FPTP is designed to do just one thing - keep the big-two as the big-two. And an awful lot of people, myself included, will likely be voting tactically to get the Tories out, and that really only means - in the vast majority of constituencies - a vote for Labour. The Conservatives are going to lose, massively; but I'd be genuinely shocked if Reform manage to get more than a handful of MPs elected. So they are not going to be forming a government, they are not IMO even going to be the official opposition (likely to be either Tories or, at a push, the Liberals). If I were a gambling man I'd be putting money on Reform getting between 2-6 seats. Do you honestly think they can manage more than that? It'd sure be interesting if they did, but I just can't see it happening. All The Best It's a pragmatic view, Nulla. I'll give you that. But it's also a demonstration that we don't live in a democracy when large swathes of the electorate are effectively disenfranchised. Therefore a vote for either of the establishment parties is an affirmation that you accept the establishment and your disenfranchisement. Whereas a vote otherwise is an affirmation that you don't. So by all means accept that. I intend to serve notice that I don't. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 26, 2024 19:13:41 GMT
Is that what you are doing? Dontworry about it . PV doesn’t need your help. I don't, and I know, but you do LOL. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 26, 2024 19:35:10 GMT
It is entirely possible for Reform, in pre-election day polls, to be polling close to, or even above the Conservatives, and for that to result in no seats in parliament. The Polls are national voting intention polls, and that may not transfer well to the constituency-based polls of elections day. Total number of votes won only means anything in a PR based system; we don't have that, we have FPTP; and FPTP is designed to do just one thing - keep the big-two as the big-two. And an awful lot of people, myself included, will likely be voting tactically to get the Tories out, and that really only means - in the vast majority of constituencies - a vote for Labour. The Conservatives are going to lose, massively; but I'd be genuinely shocked if Reform manage to get more than a handful of MPs elected. So they are not going to be forming a government, they are not IMO even going to be the official opposition (likely to be either Tories or, at a push, the Liberals). If I were a gambling man I'd be putting money on Reform getting between 2-6 seats. Do you honestly think they can manage more than that? It'd sure be interesting if they did, but I just can't see it happening. All The Best It's a pragmatic view, Nulla. I'll give you that. But it's also a demonstration that we don't live in a democracy when large swathes of the electorate are effectively disenfranchised. Therefore a vote for either of the establishment parties is an affirmation that you accept the establishment and your disenfranchisement. Whereas a vote otherwise is an affirmation that you don't. So by all means accept that. I intend to serve notice that I don't. We do live in a democracy, a representative Democracy. Given the huge variation in people approach to politics there is no perfect form of democracy, there is no system that will give everyone the government they want or the perfect world they would like. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 26, 2024 20:06:50 GMT
It is entirely possible for Reform, in pre-election day polls, to be polling close to, or even above the Conservatives, and for that to result in no seats in parliament. The Polls are national voting intention polls, and that may not transfer well to the constituency-based polls of elections day. Total number of votes won only means anything in a PR based system; we don't have that, we have FPTP; and FPTP is designed to do just one thing - keep the big-two as the big-two. And an awful lot of people, myself included, will likely be voting tactically to get the Tories out, and that really only means - in the vast majority of constituencies - a vote for Labour. The Conservatives are going to lose, massively; but I'd be genuinely shocked if Reform manage to get more than a handful of MPs elected. So they are not going to be forming a government, they are not IMO even going to be the official opposition (likely to be either Tories or, at a push, the Liberals). If I were a gambling man I'd be putting money on Reform getting between 2-6 seats. Do you honestly think they can manage more than that? It'd sure be interesting if they did, but I just can't see it happening. All The Best It's a pragmatic view, Nulla. I'll give you that. But it's also a demonstration that we don't live in a democracy when large swathes of the electorate are effectively disenfranchised. Therefore a vote for either of the establishment parties is an affirmation that you accept the establishment and your disenfranchisement. Whereas a vote otherwise is an affirmation that you don't. So by all means accept that. I intend to serve notice that I don't. Well, it is like this. Where I live was Conservative from the 1980s thru to 1997. 1997 to 2010 it was Labour. 2010 it switched back to the Tories. 2012 By Election switched it back to Labour 2015 to now Conservative. Only two other parties have ever polled double % figures: Lib-Dems in 2001. 2005, and 2010 (highest was 14%, only just over half of the % of the lowest poll rating of the Big-Two). UKIP in 2012 and 2015 (like the Liberal they managed to squeak through with just over half of the % of the lowest poll rating of the Big-Two). In other threads I am often accused of viewing the world through some kind of idealised lens, rather than dealing with the reality of things. In the real world ONLY two parties stand a chance of being elected to Westminster for my constituency: Conservatives or Labour. I know what 14 years of Conservative Rule has done to me and my family: poorer than at any time since I entered the workforce, elderly parents never able to get a GP appointment and can only get hospital appointment 30-40 miles away rather than at the local hospital, my two nephews struggling to get school places to such an extent that my sister opted to home-school one of them until they got a place at the local school, our roads are in as poor a state as at any time since the mid 1970's, public transport that I rely on (as I am not medically fit to drive) and my elderly parents are increasingly reliant upon is stripped to the bone and almost non-existent, utility bills through the roof but for a worse service than was offered when they were still nationalised, house prices so high that really only commuters from large cities can afford to buy, and social housing destroyed thanks to Thatcher. I am genuinely not certain that I can survive, financially or medically, another term of Tory government. So my only option is to vote Labour and hope they can't possibly be as bad for me and mine as 14 years of ideological Tory incompetence have been. EDIT: Just found a constituency based "voting intention poll" for my constituency: Labour: 47.9% Conservative: 31.6% Reform: 11.3% Green: 4.5% Liberal: 3.9% For me a vote for anyone but the Big-Two is a wasted vote, and could see the Conservatives retain the seat: that is simply not something I can risk. All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 26, 2024 20:08:19 GMT
Dontworry about it . PV doesn’t need your help. I don't, and I know, but you do LOL. No one needs the help of an old fantasist who thinks he’s a psychologist seenile . |
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Post by see2 on Jun 27, 2024 7:03:45 GMT
Take no notice to polls, I bet there are lefties out there banging on about voting Labour, but when they get to the ballot box they'll be thinking about their Labour hammering taxes, hammering the pensioners, hammering business, council tax, ULEZ/20mph zones, Labour are going to clobber nearly every walk of life, hence when they get to the ballot box they'll put their X anywhere other than Labour. Tory 'Project Fear' ^^^, i.e. when in trouble just lie and denigrate. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 27, 2024 7:17:32 GMT
Take no notice to polls, I bet there are lefties out there banging on about voting Labour, but when they get to the ballot box they'll be thinking about their Labour hammering taxes, hammering the pensioners, hammering business, council tax, ULEZ/20mph zones, Labour are going to clobber nearly every walk of life, hence when they get to the ballot box they'll put their X anywhere other than Labour. Tory 'Project Fear' ^^^, i.e. when in trouble just lie and denigrate. You just "denigrate" others' posts. You lack substance. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 27, 2024 7:33:15 GMT
Tory 'Project Fear' ^^^, i.e. when in trouble just lie and denigrate. You just "denigrate" others' posts. You lack substance. I often denigrate those who denigrate me. But I mostly denigrate in an honest and objective manner unlike Typical Tories who find it very difficult to post anything political without denigrating. (or insinuating or just Lying). I have been posting this truth for months now. No, I don't lack substance, what I mostly deliberately lack is fixed opinion bias and extremism. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 27, 2024 7:58:51 GMT
You just "denigrate" others' posts. You lack substance. I often denigrate those who denigrate me. But I mostly denigrate in an honest and objective manner unlike Typical Tories who find it very difficult to post anything political without denigrating. (or insinuating or just Lying). I have been posting this truth for months now. No, I don't lack substance, what I mostly deliberately lack is fixed opinion bias and extremism. Lol. You can denigrate in an honest and objective manner!?! Yes, you do lack substance. You've just attacked a poster who made no remark about you. So you "denigrated" him for his view, rather than explaining why you thought he was wrong. Not only do you lack substance; you have a severe lack of self-awareness |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 27, 2024 8:09:19 GMT
You just "denigrate" others' posts. You lack substance. I often denigrate those who denigrate me. But I mostly denigrate in an honest and objective manner unlike Typical Tories who find it very difficult to post anything political without denigrating. (or insinuating or just Lying). I have been posting this truth for months now. No, I don't lack substance, what I mostly deliberately lack is fixed opinion bias and extremism. LOL! 
Fool.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 27, 2024 8:11:08 GMT
Well certainly not yours since you don't appear to have any. But if Reform are only 4% behind the Tories then they are likely to gather a considerable number of votes, so of course they should be heard. Not that I'd expect the undemocratic left to understand that. Don't be so hard on yourself, Adolf. Adolf was an anti-Semitic socialist.
Like you.
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