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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 23, 2024 17:25:29 GMT
Lots of Reform candidates standing in some constituencies are getting death threats, that's the dirty guts they are up against. This is how Labour operate, if they can't win fairly they just resort to threats of violence, and yet their double standard hypocrisy when they try to accuse people of being far-right if you dare question anything the lefties say or do. Labour MPs have had threats made against them as well. www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-68387790.ampHave you forgotten about Jo Cox? Death threats are never acceptable but all sides receive them, so don't claim it's a leftist thing. Absolutely, by their own far-left voters, the far-left have been making threats to Labour MPs if they don't support a Gaza ceasefire .......... YOU are spot on.
More lefty thuggery, if the left even make death threats to the left what chance does the non-left stand.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 23, 2024 17:28:05 GMT
No. They'll get a handful of seats, if that. Farage has admitted that it wasn't a serious document. It has quite rightly been pulled apart as such. The point that I was making though was in response to Fairsociety's question about why Reform's spending was under more scrutiny than Labour's. The fact that it is not a serious document is part of the reason, along with the fact that Reform were proposing MORE spending than Labour.But if there is no chance of it being enacted whereas the Labour spending plans will be - so anyone who is concentrating on the plans from Reform are simply playing partisan politics. Hang on, didn't you complain about Farage being left out of the debate the other night? Either he's a serious political leader, or he's a leader of a protest movement. Which is it?
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Post by aristaeus on Jun 23, 2024 17:33:53 GMT
Absolutely, by their own far-left voters, the far-left have been making threats to Labour MPs if they don't support a Gaza ceasefire .......... YOU are spot on.
More lefty thuggery, if the left even make death threats to the left what chance does the non-left stand.
You're claiming Jo Cox was killed by a leftist?? That's an err... interesting theory. Neo-Nazi National Action were planning on kidnapping and killing a Labour MP. Both sides receive death threats, both sides make death threats. It's always wrong. Can you do the same and admit people on both sides make death threats?
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 23, 2024 17:37:00 GMT
Absolutely, by their own far-left voters, the far-left have been making threats to Labour MPs if they don't support a Gaza ceasefire .......... YOU are spot on.
More lefty thuggery, if the left even make death threats to the left what chance does the non-left stand.
You're claiming Jo Cox was killed by a leftist?? That's an err... interesting theory. Neo-Nazi National Action were planning on kidnapping and killing a Labour MP. Both sides receive death threats, both sides make death threats. It's always wrong. Can you do the same and admit people on both sides make death threats? ‘I’ve killed him’: David Amess murder was last act of two-year plot A TORY MPAli Harbi Ali had long been looking for an MP to assassinate before stabbing Amess at church surgery
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Post by aristaeus on Jun 23, 2024 17:41:33 GMT
You're claiming Jo Cox was killed by a leftist?? That's an err... interesting theory. Neo-Nazi National Action were planning on kidnapping and killing a Labour MP. Both sides receive death threats, both sides make death threats. It's always wrong. Can you do the same and admit people on both sides make death threats? ‘I’ve killed him’: David Amess murder was last act of two-year plot A TORY MPAli Harbi Ali had long been looking for an MP to assassinate before stabbing Amess at church surgeryYes, and can you admit that right wing people also make death threats against Labour MPs? This isn't a partisan issue. Why are you refusing to admit it? I've stated both left and right wing people make death threats, and it's always wrong. Your turn, can you admit this is a problem on both sides?
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 23, 2024 17:41:43 GMT
But if there is no chance of it being enacted whereas the Labour spending plans will be - so anyone who is concentrating on the plans from Reform are simply playing partisan politics. Hang on, didn't you complain about Farage being left out of the debate the other night? Either he's a serious political leader, or he's a leader of a protest movement. Which is it? Of course he is the leader of a protest movement - if the Conservative Government had not implemented left-wing policies and thus lost their core support Reform would not be needed. He is a serious political leader because he fills a vacuum in the spectrum - as do the Green Party. But nobody really expects the Green manifesto to be enacted do they? Of course I can perfectly understand why some people would rather concentrate on the Reform spending plans rather than those of Labour...
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Post by Totheleft on Jun 23, 2024 17:55:41 GMT
Hang on, didn't you complain about Farage being left out of the debate the other night? Either he's a serious political leader, or he's a leader of a protest movement. Which is it? Of course he is the leader of a protest movement - if the Conservative Government had not implemented left-wing policies and thus lost their core support Reform would not be needed. He is a serious political leader because he fills a vacuum in the spectrum - as do the Green Party. But nobody really expects the Green manifesto to be enacted do they? Of course I can perfectly understand why some people would rather concentrate on the Reform spending plans rather than those of Labour... Reform contract was a joke and deserved to be torn apart if he cant stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 23, 2024 18:25:15 GMT
Of course he is the leader of a protest movement - if the Conservative Government had not implemented left-wing policies and thus lost their core support Reform would not be needed. He is a serious political leader because he fills a vacuum in the spectrum - as do the Green Party. But nobody really expects the Green manifesto to be enacted do they? Of course I can perfectly understand why some people would rather concentrate on the Reform spending plans rather than those of Labour... Reform contract was a joke and deserved to be torn apart if he cant stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. Exactly. Those that want scrutiny on Reform aren't happy when they get it. Quelle surprise. FWIW I agree with Pacifico that they're a protest movement. As such I can't see his argument on the leaders debate. The Greens are a serious political party.
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Post by Dogburger on Jun 23, 2024 20:18:12 GMT
Reform contract was a joke and deserved to be torn apart if he cant stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. Exactly. Those that want scrutiny on Reform aren't happy when they get it. Quelle surprise. FWIW I agree with Pacifico that they're a protest movement. As such I can't see his argument on the leaders debate. The Greens are a serious political party. In effect any party that is not in government is a protest party .But we live in a representative democracy and the party that has a chance of forming the opposition should be given equal opportunity in any debate .
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 23, 2024 20:21:03 GMT
Exactly. Those that want scrutiny on Reform aren't happy when they get it. Quelle surprise. FWIW I agree with Pacifico that they're a protest movement. As such I can't see his argument on the leaders debate. The Greens are a serious political party. In effect any party that is not in government is a protest party .But we live in a representative democracy and the party that has a chance of forming the opposition should be given equal opportunity in any debate . I kind of agree with you, but does Reform have an opportunity of forming the opposition?
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Post by Bentley on Jun 23, 2024 20:22:28 GMT
In effect any party that is not in government is a protest party .But we live in a representative democracy and the party that has a chance of forming the opposition should be given equal opportunity in any debate . I kind of agree with you, but does Reform have an opportunity of forming the opposition? All parties have the opportunity of forming the opposition .
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Post by om15 on Jun 23, 2024 20:25:51 GMT
Really, here is an extract from their manifesto,
This is the fantasy politics of the school playground, hardly a serious political party, unless it is one especially for eight year olds.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 23, 2024 20:33:38 GMT
I kind of agree with you, but does Reform have an opportunity of forming the opposition? All parties have the opportunity of forming the opposition . Do they? Do you want to see George Galloway in the leaders debate?
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Post by Bentley on Jun 23, 2024 20:40:53 GMT
All parties have the opportunity of forming the opposition . Do they? Do you want to see George Galloway in the leaders debate? I’m just stating something that is obvious yet you seem to be oblivious of. Yes , if it was workable .
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 23, 2024 21:07:54 GMT
Reform contract was a joke and deserved to be torn apart if he cant stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. Exactly. Those that want scrutiny on Reform aren't happy when they get it. Quelle surprise. FWIW I agree with Pacifico that they're a protest movement. As such I can't see his argument on the leaders debate. The Greens are a serious political party. Possibly because I never made any argument on the Leaders debate. I have not watched any of them so I wouldn't have a clue who took part - one of the joys of calling an election at the same time as the major football competition in Europe. And the idea that the Greens are a serious Party yet Reform are not could only be made by someone who knows nothing about the Greens - the latest gem from them is their leader admitting at their candidates don't have to support their manifesto. So a serious political party? - only to those who like clown shows.
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