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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2024 10:16:45 GMT
They seem to think that if they keep repeating it we'll start believing it. LOL! If I was to rely on objectivity I could argue that on this forum it's perfectly OK for their sock-accounts to state that the youngsters who were slaughtered by Hamas in a terrorist attack all "reaped what they sow". And that this is perfectly acceptable to post during the terrorist attack, just as it's OK to post that and use multiple accounts on here. It's a three month ban on here if you post something bad about Muslims, though. Apparently, that actually upsets Andrewbrown, Vinny and the establishment. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 23, 2024 10:18:53 GMT
It's strange how Farage manifesto has been scrutinised to the letter, yet Starmer's with his wild spending spree that even those who aren't that good at maths know the figures don't stack up, yet he's allowed to continue with his lies and deceit. Except that the spending proposed by Reform FAR outweighs that proposed by Labour.  Work it out, Farage isn't going splurge tax payers money on diverse vanity projects, so that will give Farage far more money to play with on things that really matter to real people. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 23, 2024 10:23:30 GMT
You know they're desperate when the Tory bashing Guardianistas are quoting and using Tory MP's to try and demote Farage from the election campaign. These people have been itching for Farage to say something they can misrepresent because his persona during this campaign has been on the rise, and anti-democrats don't like that. So they whip up a slur of hysteria against him, and now you have posters and columints who for the last two years have been deriding and gunning for the Tories, quoting the Tories now telling you what a naughty man Mr. Farage is. Desperate stuff. www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/23/senior-tories-line-up-to-denounce-nigel-farages-defence-of-putins-warWho are the anti-democrats? Reform UK is a privately owned business, and so Reform "MPs" (if any are elected) are actually employees of Nigel Farage, and so not subject to the same level of democratic accountability as MPs of other parties. Farage could remove them on a whim by simply sacking them, thereby undermining the Democratic Process. Even Farage himself admits it is not a Political Party and alleges that it will "democratise over time" - indicating that it is NOT democratic right now. ReformUK accepts donations, and as the 53% Majority Shareholder Farage is a) unaccountable to the Party, which, unlike all other Political parties, has no Membership to hold the leadership to account, and b) able to do with that money whatever the hell he wants. So it would seem the anti-democrats ARE ReformUK. All The Best Probably the same folk who cheered when Farage was de-banked. Let's not forgot, I am conversing with a poster who doesn't believe the UK is democratic. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 23, 2024 10:40:44 GMT
It's strange how Farage manifesto has been scrutinised to the letter, yet Starmer's with his wild spending spree that even those who aren't that good at maths know the figures don't stack up, yet he's allowed to continue with his lies and deceit. Except that the spending proposed by Reform FAR outweighs that proposed by Labour. In 2 weeks time are Reform likely to be in a position to implement their spending plans? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 23, 2024 10:59:55 GMT
Except that the spending proposed by Reform FAR outweighs that proposed by Labour. In 2 weeks time are Reform likely to be in a position to implement their spending plans? No. They'll get a handful of seats, if that. Farage has admitted that it wasn't a serious document. It has quite rightly been pulled apart as such. The point that I was making though was in response to Fairsociety's question about why Reform's spending was under more scrutiny than Labour's. The fact that it is not a serious document is part of the reason, along with the fact that Reform were proposing MORE spending than Labour. His further response that Labour will spend it all on diversity is the sort of garbage on this forum that isn't really worthy of further comment. He is of course entitled to his own opinion. |
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Post by om15 on Jun 23, 2024 11:10:08 GMT
I don't see that view, if a candidate for Reform is elected he/she becomes an MP, if Farage then chooses to "sack" him/her from Reform that person then becomes an Independent MP, so why did you say otherwise. I think tha Farage will have come under the most detailed scrutiny since the Brexit days, and no one has come up with anything, no fiddled expenses, no 20 year old tweets, no betting on elections, absolutely nothing, that is why nonsense like this is being peddled, simply because there is nothing else.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2024 11:11:42 GMT
In 2 weeks time are Reform likely to be in a position to implement their spending plans? No. They'll get a handful of seats, if that. Farage has admitted that it wasn't a serious document. It has quite rightly been pulled apart as such. The point that I was making though was in response to Fairsociety's question about why Reform's spending was under more scrutiny than Labour's. The fact that it is not a serious document is part of the reason, along with the fact that Reform were proposing MORE spending than Labour. His further response that Labour will spend it all on diversity is the sort of garbage on this forum that isn't really worthy of further comment. He is of course entitled to his own opinion. Why is it all garbage when this is exactly what Labour is going to do? Reform has spiced things up and may even increase turnouts, which are incredibly low because the establishment is clearly totalitarian. The establishment media will of course try and protect the LabCon system, which is what we're witnessing.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 23, 2024 11:14:46 GMT
In 2 weeks time are Reform likely to be in a position to implement their spending plans? No. They'll get a handful of seats, if that. Farage has admitted that it wasn't a serious document. It has quite rightly been pulled apart as such. The point that I was making though was in response to Fairsociety's question about why Reform's spending was under more scrutiny than Labour's. The fact that it is not a serious document is part of the reason, along with the fact that Reform were proposing MORE spending than Labour. His further response that Labour will spend it all on diversity is the sort of garbage on this forum that isn't really worthy of further comment. He is of course entitled to his own opinion. Where did I say 'all', stop putting words into my mouth, it's a fact they will spend big chunks of money on Diverse woke vanity projects ..... how do I know?
I'll tell you the FACTS speak for themselves, Labour run Wales is a prime example of how Labour waste tax payers money starting with 20 mph zones all over the place, that is causing misery to thousands of drivers including bus drivers, taxi drivers and any one who makes a living out of driving, .... oh and nearly every run Labour Council in the country is ..... BUST!!! .... How much more proof do you need?
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 23, 2024 11:16:43 GMT
Whether you agree with 20mph limits or not, it has nothing to do with diversity.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 23, 2024 11:20:31 GMT
Whether you agree with 20mph limits or not, it has nothing to do with diversity. It's just another example of how they squander tax payers money on unpopular unnecessary total waste of time projects, this is how they intend to plug financial gaps and balance the finances and books of their total incompetence .... STING the drivers, just like Khan and his ULEZ money making racket. |
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 23, 2024 11:21:56 GMT
There are and were no disputed regions of Ukraine - FACT The Russian Federation in 1991 officialy recognised Ukraine as an independent nation within its then borders - FACT There was no dispute with Russia until Putin became leader and decided that Ukraine must remain under Russian domination - FACT Russian separatists were in conflict in several regions before the Russian invasion and Russia recognised these regions. We call this a dispute. Your second 'fact' is a bit more complicated as it came during the turmoil of the break up and dissolution of the Soviet Union where armed conflict was in the air. I think as regards Crimea Sebastopol was a serious consideration for Russia whereby if Ukraine joined NATO then that port would be lost to them, possibly if the EU were in control as well. The rhetoric from teh West has always been anti Russian, if one sees ones self defined enemies moving into one's zone of influence then it is provocative. One can hold up one's hands in innocence but if international diplomats have no conception of how it appeared perhaps they should find a new vocation. Until 2014 there basically was no separatist movement in the Ukrainian provinces of both Luhansk and Donetsk. Most citizens there were Russian speakers but most were ethnic Ukrainians and not ethnic Russians. President Yanukovych who fled Ukraine in 2014 was from the "Party Of The Regions", a political party which was Bi-partisan to both Europe and also Russia. During the presidential election campaign Yanukovych promised that if elected, he would seek closer ties with the EU and pave the way for membership. In November 2013, Yanukovych declined to sign an agreement with the EU after presure was put on him by Putin, and instead he decided to forge closer ties with Russia, thereby breaking his election promise. Euromaidan began because most Ukrainians do not want closer ties with Russia, most Ukrainians want to be part of Europe, and Euromaidan was as a direct result of Yanukovych's broken promise.
The separatist movent in the East was sparked by mostly Russian Nationalists and Russian citizens, not Ukrainian citizens. Most people in the East are Russophone, even Zelenskys first language is Russian, however most people in the East of Ukraine believe in a United Ukraine. What happened in Ukraine through the Revolution and Euromaidan posed absolutely no threat what so ever to Russia, it was an internal matter for Ukraine to deal with itself. Russia and Putin acted with Opportunity in mind, Putin interfered into the internal issues of a neighbouring country, in the hope that he could assert Russian influence and domination over parts of Ukraine, and possibly all of Ukraine. The West, the United States, Free Europe, NATO and the EU have since supported Ukraines struggle against Russian interference, and in support of Ukraines right to freedom, independence and to choose its own destiny. Thats the story in simplistic terms shortened down The EU has not coerced any nation to join the EU, neither has NATO, membership of both is a matter of choice of individual nations, who each have their own reasons for wanting to join the organisations, and who presumably have consensus to do so. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 23, 2024 11:33:38 GMT
His further response that Labour will spend it all on diversity is the sort of garbage on this forum that isn't really worthy of further comment... And yet here you are. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2024 11:38:13 GMT
The EU has not coerced any nation to join the EU, neither has NATO, membership of both is a matter of choice of individual nations, who each have their own reasons for wanting to join the organisations, and who presumably have consensus to do so. Even Westminster admitted that the EU interference in Ukraine helped create the scenario for Russia to begin aggressions back in 2013/14. Still, if you think spamming lies and EU propaganda may fool people then so be it. |
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 23, 2024 11:59:36 GMT
The EU has not coerced any nation to join the EU, neither has NATO, membership of both is a matter of choice of individual nations, who each have their own reasons for wanting to join the organisations, and who presumably have consensus to do so. Even Westminster admitted that the EU interference in Ukraine helped create the scenario for Russia to begin aggressions back in 2013/14. Still, if you think spamming lies and EU propaganda may fool people then so be it. The only lies on here is coming from you "Even Westminster admitted that the EU interference in Ukraine helped create the scenario for Russia to begin aggressions" <------ Not True ( but please do prove me wrong, all it would require is some evidence or a link - I can wait if you have the time to find either ) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2024 12:08:53 GMT
It's on the Commons Parliament website. I posted it for Vinny a short while back and have no interest in digging it out to appease some anti-Israel EUphile who celebrates Hamas attacks on their alternate accounts. Like I said keep spamming lies and EU propaganda if you must.
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