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Post by Bentley on Jun 22, 2024 22:02:37 GMT
All four main political leaders have now condemned Farage for his ridiculous opinions ( Labour, Tory, LibDem and SNP ). Fuck me - you would think there is an election on...  lol. |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 22, 2024 22:07:40 GMT
All four main political leaders have now condemned Farage for his ridiculous opinions ( Labour, Tory, LibDem and SNP ). Blaming the EU and NATO for Russias war against Ukraine is a big mistake for Farage, and it will cost Reform votes. There are a lot of Tory voters who will now think twice about voting for Reform, he has shot himself in the foot, there is no question about that. Ukraine never ever posed any threat what so ever to Russia, and the fact that most Ukrainians see their future with Europe and the West, not with Russia, is not a reason or an excuse for Russia to invade Ukraine. There is no defence for what Farage said, and I reckon that those here on these boards who attempt to defend Farage know it There is every defence for what Farage said most especially if it is true. We know that the EU were involved in many negotiations with Ukraine and we know there were disputed regions between Ukraine and Russia and there were Russian separatists in those regions. If one engages in negotiations into defence and trade pacts with a country who is already in some degree of dispute with the neighbour against whom one specific defence pact is directed and against whom trade would be much more difficult with the regions whereby ethnic Russians lived then one is playing with fire and arguably being aggressive. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 22, 2024 22:14:00 GMT
All four main political leaders have now condemned Farage for his ridiculous opinions ( Labour, Tory, LibDem and SNP ). Blaming the EU and NATO for Russias war against Ukraine is a big mistake for Farage, and it will cost Reform votes. There are a lot of Tory voters who will now think twice about voting for Reform, he has shot himself in the foot, there is no question about that. Ukraine never ever posed any threat what so ever to Russia, and the fact that most Ukrainians see their future with Europe and the West, not with Russia, is not a reason or an excuse for Russia to invade Ukraine. There is no defence for what Farage said, and I reckon that those here on these boards who attempt to defend Farage know it Defending the facts against propaganda pushed by the establishment, is not defending anyone, least of all the establishment. It so happens that the establishment parties are closing ranks, which will probably do the Farage a right favour. |
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 22, 2024 22:21:38 GMT
All four main political leaders have now condemned Farage for his ridiculous opinions ( Labour, Tory, LibDem and SNP ). Blaming the EU and NATO for Russias war against Ukraine is a big mistake for Farage, and it will cost Reform votes. There are a lot of Tory voters who will now think twice about voting for Reform, he has shot himself in the foot, there is no question about that. Ukraine never ever posed any threat what so ever to Russia, and the fact that most Ukrainians see their future with Europe and the West, not with Russia, is not a reason or an excuse for Russia to invade Ukraine. There is no defence for what Farage said, and I reckon that those here on these boards who attempt to defend Farage know it There is every defence for what Farage said most especially if it is true. We know that the EU were involved in many negotiations with Ukraine and we know there were disputed regions between Ukraine and Russia and there were Russian separatists in those regions. If one engages in negotiations into defence and trade pacts with a country who is already in some degree of dispute with the neighbour against whom one specific defence pact is directed and against whom trade would be much more difficult with the regions whereby ethnic Russians lived then one is playing with fire and arguably being aggressive. There are and were no disputed regions of Ukraine - FACT The Russian Federation in 1991 officialy recognised Ukraine as an independent nation within its then borders - FACT There was no dispute with Russia until Putin became leader and decided that Ukraine must remain under Russian domination - FACT |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2024 22:32:03 GMT
All four main political leaders have now condemned Farage for his ridiculous opinions ( Labour, Tory, LibDem and SNP ). Fuck me - you would think there is an election on... The establishment cronies have to protect themselves from the truth, at any cost. We even have Jew hating Hamas supporting EUphiles trying to compare Farage to Mosley, even though they can't even spell his name correctly. The desperation and absurdity of their lies is second to none. It's odd how so many of the EUphiles on here all have the same difficulties with certain words, like the inability to know the difference between "your" and "you're". Still, this isn't a place I would take seriously.
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Post by sheepy on Jun 22, 2024 22:37:21 GMT
Seems to me, you had a truth but cannot handle it.Yet when you are given other truths in geopolitical politics you are all for them. Soz, but you cannot pick and choose, the truth is the truth. Left and right politics have no trademark over the truth.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 22, 2024 22:41:19 GMT
There is every defence for what Farage said most especially if it is true. We know that the EU were involved in many negotiations with Ukraine and we know there were disputed regions between Ukraine and Russia and there were Russian separatists in those regions. If one engages in negotiations into defence and trade pacts with a country who is already in some degree of dispute with the neighbour against whom one specific defence pact is directed and against whom trade would be much more difficult with the regions whereby ethnic Russians lived then one is playing with fire and arguably being aggressive. There are and were no disputed regions of Ukraine - FACT The Russian Federation in 1991 officialy recognised Ukraine as an independent nation within its then borders - FACT There was no dispute with Russia until Putin became leader and decided that Ukraine must remain under Russian domination - FACT Russian separatists were in conflict in several regions before the Russian invasion and Russia recognised these regions. We call this a dispute. Your second 'fact' is a bit more complicated as it came during the turmoil of the break up and dissolution of the Soviet Union where armed conflict was in the air. I think as regards Crimea Sebastopol was a serious consideration for Russia whereby if Ukraine joined NATO then that port would be lost to them, possibly if the EU were in control as well. The rhetoric from teh West has always been anti Russian, if one sees ones self defined enemies moving into one's zone of influence then it is provocative. One can hold up one's hands in innocence but if international diplomats have no conception of how it appeared perhaps they should find a new vocation. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 23, 2024 0:36:55 GMT
All four main political leaders have now condemned Farage for his ridiculous opinions ( Labour, Tory, LibDem and SNP ). Blaming the EU and NATO for Russias war against Ukraine is a big mistake for Farage, and it will cost Reform votes. There are a lot of Tory voters who will now think twice about voting for Reform, he has shot himself in the foot, there is no question about that. Ukraine never ever posed any threat what so ever to Russia, and the fact that most Ukrainians see their future with Europe and the West, not with Russia, is not a reason or an excuse for Russia to invade Ukraine. There is no defence for what Farage said, and I reckon that those here on these boards who attempt to defend Farage know it Defending the facts against propaganda pushed by the establishment, is not defending anyone, least of all the establishment. It so happens that the establishment parties are closing ranks, which will probably do the Farage a right favour. You can see how the establishment need shills like Witchfinder to repeatedly post lies as truth during an election campaign. This blatant misrepresentation by the establishment and shills are desperately trying to put the brakes on Reform and Farage. These people never learn. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 23, 2024 4:55:11 GMT
They seem to think that if they keep repeating it we'll start believing it.
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Post by sheepy on Jun 23, 2024 7:10:32 GMT
Defending the facts against propaganda pushed by the establishment, is not defending anyone, least of all the establishment. It so happens that the establishment parties are closing ranks, which will probably do the Farage a right favour. You can see how the establishment need shills like Witchfinder to repeatedly post lies as truth during an election campaign. This blatant misrepresentation by the establishment and shills are desperately trying to put the brakes on Reform and Farage. These people never learn. Truth has become an act of revolution. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 23, 2024 8:21:40 GMT
There is every defence for what Farage said most especially if it is true. We know that the EU were involved in many negotiations with Ukraine and we know there were disputed regions between Ukraine and Russia and there were Russian separatists in those regions. If one engages in negotiations into defence and trade pacts with a country who is already in some degree of dispute with the neighbour against whom one specific defence pact is directed and against whom trade would be much more difficult with the regions whereby ethnic Russians lived then one is playing with fire and arguably being aggressive. There are and were no disputed regions of Ukraine - FACT The Russian Federation in 1991 officialy recognised Ukraine as an independent nation within its then borders - FACT There was no dispute with Russia until Putin became leader and decided that Ukraine must remain under Russian domination - FACT Putin even had a 40year agreement with Ukraine to use Crimea as a base for his ships and military. That's what made it so easy for him to annex Crimea. It was previously a 25year agreement upped to 40years by Russia's man in the Ukraine, Yanukovych. And that is the Truth. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 23, 2024 8:27:05 GMT
It's strange how Farage manifesto has been scrutinised to the letter, yet Starmer's with his wild spending spree that even those who aren't that good at maths know the figures don't stack up, yet he's allowed to continue with his lies and deceit.
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 23, 2024 9:26:51 GMT
You know they're desperate when the Tory bashing Guardianistas are quoting and using Tory MP's to try and demote Farage from the election campaign. These people have been itching for Farage to say something they can misrepresent because his persona during this campaign has been on the rise, and anti-democrats don't like that. So they whip up a slur of hysteria against him, and now you have posters and columints who for the last two years have been deriding and gunning for the Tories, quoting the Tories now telling you what a naughty man Mr. Farage is. Desperate stuff. www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/23/senior-tories-line-up-to-denounce-nigel-farages-defence-of-putins-war |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 23, 2024 9:35:51 GMT
It's strange how Farage manifesto has been scrutinised to the letter, yet Starmer's with his wild spending spree that even those who aren't that good at maths know the figures don't stack up, yet he's allowed to continue with his lies and deceit. Except that the spending proposed by Reform FAR outweighs that proposed by Labour.  |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 23, 2024 10:11:18 GMT
You know they're desperate when the Tory bashing Guardianistas are quoting and using Tory MP's to try and demote Farage from the election campaign. These people have been itching for Farage to say something they can misrepresent because his persona during this campaign has been on the rise, and anti-democrats don't like that. So they whip up a slur of hysteria against him, and now you have posters and columints who for the last two years have been deriding and gunning for the Tories, quoting the Tories now telling you what a naughty man Mr. Farage is. Desperate stuff. www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/23/senior-tories-line-up-to-denounce-nigel-farages-defence-of-putins-warWho are the anti-democrats? Reform UK is a privately owned business, and so Reform "MPs" (if any are elected) are actually employees of Nigel Farage, and so not subject to the same level of democratic accountability as MPs of other parties. Farage could remove them on a whim by simply sacking them, thereby undermining the Democratic Process. Even Farage himself admits it is not a Political Party and alleges that it will "democratise over time" - indicating that it is NOT democratic right now. ReformUK accepts donations, and as the 53% Majority Shareholder Farage is a) unaccountable to the Party, which, unlike all other Political parties, has no Membership to hold the leadership to account, and b) able to do with that money whatever the hell he wants. So it would seem the anti-democrats ARE ReformUK. All The Best |
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