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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2024 9:09:04 GMT
Nigel Farage says that the EU + NATO are to blame for Putins war against UkraineThis surely is proof beyond any doubt that not only is Farage Delusional, but that he has absolutely no grasp of the real world. The point been is that MOST PEOPLE in Ukraine do not want to be part of a Russian sphere of interest, and most people instead want to be part of Europe, and not part of Putins empire. It ought to be the democratic and free right of the people of Ukraine to choose their future, but Farage does not agree. Nigel Farage has made a huge mistake by going along this path, he is wrong, he is 100% wrong, and most people in Ukraine will hate him for his ridiculous views. This is a lie. You regurgitate rubbish all the time. Farage said Putin was to blame. But the EU and NATO expansionism provoked Putin. The Hamas boys are also the Labour party on here, and the lies are constant from them. |
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 22, 2024 9:17:28 GMT
Nigel Farage says that the EU + NATO are to blame for Putins war against UkraineThis surely is proof beyond any doubt that not only is Farage Delusional, but that he has absolutely no grasp of the real world. The point been is that MOST PEOPLE in Ukraine do not want to be part of a Russian sphere of interest, and most people instead want to be part of Europe, and not part of Putins empire. It ought to be the democratic and free right of the people of Ukraine to choose their future, but Farage does not agree. Nigel Farage has made a huge mistake by going along this path, he is wrong, he is 100% wrong, and most people in Ukraine will hate him for his ridiculous views. This is a lie. You regurgitate rubbish all the time. Farage said Putin was to blame. But the EU and NATO expansionism provoked Putin. Lets get just one fact absolutely clear, or straight as they say: The EU and NATO do not go out and canvass nations to join, it works the other way around. To join NATO, a nation approaches NATO and requests membership - Same with the European Union Ever since Ukrainian independence in 1991, it has been a known and well established fact that a majority of Ukrainians want closer ties with Europe, and wish for their country to join the European Union. Farage bases his ridiculous opinions solely upon his hatred of the EU Farage is a Quisling, ( look it up id you dont know what that means ), he claims that "he won" the 2016 referendum on EU membership, but he does not think the same democratic right should be aforded to the Ukrainian people. You cannot defend Farage on this, no one can, because he is 200% out of order |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 22, 2024 9:20:09 GMT
NO, its not the fact that Farage has an opinion different to mine Its the fact that Farage has an opinion different to the democratic wish of the President, government, Parliament and people... And during WW2 Churchill had an opinion different to Hitler, his government and the German people. Which didn't make him wrong. Clearly, Farage does not believe in either democracy, self determination or the rule of law... Nope, doesn't follow. Or you are. And the word is delusional btw, fiddles. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 22, 2024 9:21:45 GMT
Blimey, Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dum are kicking off.🤣 Except that you have included yourself, not me LOL Aw bless. No one else was confused, . |
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Post by see2 on Jun 22, 2024 9:24:16 GMT
Nigel Farage says that the EU + NATO are to blame for Putins war against UkraineThis surely is proof beyond any doubt that not only is Farage Delusional, but that he has absolutely no grasp of the real world. The point been is that MOST PEOPLE in Ukraine do not want to be part of a Russian sphere of interest, and most people instead want to be part of Europe, and not part of Putins empire. It ought to be the democratic and free right of the people of Ukraine to choose their future, but Farage does not agree. Nigel Farage has made a huge mistake by going along this path, he is wrong, he is 100% wrong, and most people in Ukraine will hate him for his ridiculous views. This is a lie. You regurgitate rubbish all the time. Farage said Putin was to blame. But the EU and NATO expansionism provoked Putin. Nope, remember that Putin said that in the handing over of Ukrainian Nuclear weapons to Russia, he would recognise and protect the borders of Ukraine. Back then Putin was claiming that he believed in democracy. The Problem came to a head in late 2013 when the people of the Ukraine started country wide demonstrations against Yanukovych's refusal to sign a debated and prepared document for closer trading, not membership with the EU. Closer trading with the EU, was the peoples choice, but not Putin's. Within months, in 2014 Putin annexed the Crimea and his terrorist fighters started to take control in the Donetsk area of Ukraine. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 22, 2024 9:29:51 GMT
Lets get just one fact absolutely clear, or straight as they say: The EU and NATO do not go out and canvass nations to join, it works the other way around. To join NATO, a nation approaches NATO and requests membership - Same with the European Union Ever since Ukrainian independence in 1991, it has been a known and well established fact that a majority of Ukrainians want closer ties with Europe, and wish for their country to join the European Union. Farage bases his ridiculous opinions solely upon his hatred of the EU Farage is a Quisling, ( look it up id you dont know what that means ), he claims that "he won" the 2016 referendum on EU membership, but he does not think the same democratic right should be aforded to the Ukrainian people. You cannot defend Farage on this, no one can, because he is 200% out of order I find it incredible that anyone could possibly say the EU do not encourage enlargement. You are totally brainwashed. The EU have always openly encouraged enlargement of the bloc. Just last year the unelected EU commission recommended opening negotiations not only with Ukraine but with Moldova and Georgia ffs. Who's next, Iran? |
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Post by see2 on Jun 22, 2024 9:32:53 GMT
Except that you have included yourself, not me LOL Aw bless. No one else was confused, see2. There was no other way for reasonable people to see your posted nonsense. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 22, 2024 9:37:33 GMT
Lets get just one fact absolutely clear, or straight as they say: The EU and NATO do not go out and canvass nations to join, it works the other way around. To join NATO, a nation approaches NATO and requests membership - Same with the European Union Ever since Ukrainian independence in 1991, it has been a known and well established fact that a majority of Ukrainians want closer ties with Europe, and wish for their country to join the European Union. Farage bases his ridiculous opinions solely upon his hatred of the EU Farage is a Quisling, ( look it up id you dont know what that means ), he claims that "he won" the 2016 referendum on EU membership, but he does not think the same democratic right should be aforded to the Ukrainian people. You cannot defend Farage on this, no one can, because he is 200% out of order I find it incredible that anyone could possibly say the EU do not encourage enlargement. You are totally brainwashed. The EU have always openly encouraged enlargement of the bloc. Just last year the unelected EU commission recommended opening negotiations not only with Ukraine but with Moldova and Georgia ffs. Who's next, Iran? IF TRUE, at least they don't send in the troops in order to force change on others, like that megalomaniac Putin does, killing men women and children wherever he can. Why are you even comparing the two situations? |
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 22, 2024 9:39:03 GMT
Lets get just one fact absolutely clear, or straight as they say: The EU and NATO do not go out and canvass nations to join, it works the other way around. To join NATO, a nation approaches NATO and requests membership - Same with the European Union Ever since Ukrainian independence in 1991, it has been a known and well established fact that a majority of Ukrainians want closer ties with Europe, and wish for their country to join the European Union. Farage bases his ridiculous opinions solely upon his hatred of the EU Farage is a Quisling, ( look it up id you dont know what that means ), he claims that "he won" the 2016 referendum on EU membership, but he does not think the same democratic right should be aforded to the Ukrainian people. You cannot defend Farage on this, no one can, because he is 200% out of order I find it incredible that anyone could possibly say the EU do not encourage enlargement. You are totally brainwashed. The EU have always openly encouraged enlargement of the bloc. Just last year the unelected EU commission recommended opening negotiations not only with Ukraine but with Moldova and Georgia ffs. Who's next, Iran? You do not understand - and like other Farage supporters, you do not seem to have the capacity to comprehend. Ever since Ukrainian independence, it has been a well known and established fact that most Ukrainian people wanted closer ties with Europe, and they wanted to join the European Union. You, are defending Nigel Farage in his utterly pathetic charge, that the EU is to blame for provoking Russia, in so much as the EU accepted Ukraines goal to become a member of the EU. You are spreading falsehoods, you are spreading lies and propoganda, it is the ordinary people of Ukraine who want to join the European Union, it IS NOT because the EU persuaded Ukraine to apply for membership. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 22, 2024 9:47:39 GMT
What's this new trend all about, then?
It seems that the left have given up shrieking "Racist" in favour of shouting "Liar" at anyone they disagree with.
I guess it's just their latest distraction for when they don't have an argument.
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Post by see2 on Jun 22, 2024 9:50:39 GMT
Even the Pope supports the view of Farage - not everyone who disagrees with you is far right extremist. Most people who actually know their historical facts do; I think both sides don't like admitting the consequences of their greed for more power and money is creating a very unstable world for the plebs. Ukraine has variously been independent of the Russian Empire and freely a member of it, at least once to do with fighting off Islamic invaders. Ukraine has been recognised at least as far back as the 11th cent, it has a language of its own not Russian. The fact that the Ukraine was once a member of the Russian Empire, does not give the Russian Federation any ownership of any part of the Ukraine today. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 22, 2024 9:52:54 GMT
You do not understand - and like other Farage supporters, you do not seem to have the capacity to comprehend. Ever since Ukrainian independence, it has been a well known and established fact that most Ukrainian people wanted closer ties with Europe, and they wanted to join the European Union. You, are defending Nigel Farage in his utterly pathetic charge, that the EU is to blame for provoking Russia, in so much as the EU accepted Ukraines goal to become a member of the EU. You are spreading falsehoods, you are spreading lies and propoganda, it is the ordinary people of Ukraine who want to join the European Union, it IS NOT because the EU persuaded Ukraine to apply for membership. I am not defending Farage, whether he is right or wrong is irrelevant. He was a bloody fool to say what he said. I cant help noticing that you neglect to mention the unelected EU commission encouraging expansion into the Caucasus, an area that since Ottoman times has been a hotbed of conflict terrorism and trouble. No doubt the unelected commissioners and presidents see it as a price worth paying for the expansion the EU Empire. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 22, 2024 9:55:15 GMT
Very surprising IF TRUE, which I doubt. He is an extremist nevertheless. And in this case ^^^ not even living in the real world. But this is coming from somebody who spends their entire life on a forum telling lies with other far-left losers. Hmm, you were quick to lie about that LOL |
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Post by piglet on Jun 22, 2024 10:00:13 GMT
I am shocked, and not shocked at Farage. Any country has the right to self determinationn, whatever it is. The not shocked bit is that that Farage being the antidote to the morass of nonsense this country is, he fouls it up. For gods sake. Reform will be harmed, a lot.
I cant vote for a pro Russian as shole.
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 22, 2024 10:02:32 GMT
This is a lie. You regurgitate rubbish all the time. Farage said Putin was to blame. But the EU and NATO expansionism provoked Putin. Lets get just one fact absolutely clear, or straight as they say: The EU and NATO do not go out and canvass nations to join, it works the other way around. To join NATO, a nation approaches NATO and requests membership - Same with the European Union Ever since Ukrainian independence in 1991, it has been a known and well established fact that a majority of Ukrainians want closer ties with Europe, and wish for their country to join the European Union. Farage bases his ridiculous opinions solely upon his hatred of the EU Farage is a Quisling, ( look it up id you dont know what that means ), he claims that "he won" the 2016 referendum on EU membership, but he does not think the same democratic right should be aforded to the Ukrainian people. You cannot defend Farage on this, no one can, because he is 200% out of order No he's not. He's stating the obvious. When it comes to empire building and expanding, along with geopolitics the ramifications for this can be huge. Like the war in Ukraine. In Putin's eyes, and in former Labour MP George Robertson's the war in Ukraine dates back to 2014 with the EU's offer for accession to the Ukraine. The EU poked the bear. Yes, Ukraine have the right to self-determination and to choose. And Putin is to blame. However, you cannot absolve the EU of its part in this. |
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