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Post by see2 on Jun 22, 2024 5:47:57 GMT
Nigel Farage says that the EU + NATO are to blame for Putins war against UkraineThis surely is proof beyond any doubt that not only is Farage Delusional, but that he has absolutely no grasp of the real world. The point been is that MOST PEOPLE in Ukraine do not want to be part of a Russian sphere of interest, and most people instead want to be part of Europe, and not part of Putins empire. It ought to be the democratic and free right of the people of Ukraine to choose their future, but Farage does not agree. Nigel Farage has made a huge mistake by going along this path, he is wrong, he is 100% wrong, and most people in Ukraine will hate him for his ridiculous views. Nigel is proving he's a Rightist by ignoring the Putin's part in this problem. IMO only an idiot extremist would ignore the threat from Putin and back up Putin's excuse of blaming the EU & NATO. Which is one of the reasons why I warn against the folly of people moving to the Hard Right of politics. It is every bit as distasteful as a move to the Hard Left of politics, but even more dangerous in this world where Dictatorships appear to be coming into fashion. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 22, 2024 5:58:07 GMT
An idiot as well as a liar ^^^ LOL Stop projecting and stop giggling . You must be shit to live with. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 22, 2024 6:09:28 GMT
Center Right AND Centre Left ARE moderate positions. So stop pretending that you understand political differences. Blair's "Third Way" covered all political positions but gradually to a lesser degree as peoples politics strayed into the far left and the far right positions. If Starmer was actually just Corbyn in disguise the Tories would probably not have split and would probably easily win the next election. Blair's Third Way was the same as Blair - a huge con to keep Blair's snout in the trough and lining his own pockets. All The Best That's pure shite and you know it, Blair made his money AFTER he left politics.  |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 22, 2024 6:37:01 GMT
And? - you think he would be more effective at getting a second run at a referendum than the Tory wets, the LibDems or Keir Starmer? That's for you to ponder. why? - this is your contention not mine. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 22, 2024 6:38:56 GMT
Nigel Farage says that the EU + NATO are to blame for Putins war against UkraineThis surely is proof beyond any doubt that not only is Farage Delusional, but that he has absolutely no grasp of the real world. The point been is that MOST PEOPLE in Ukraine do not want to be part of a Russian sphere of interest, and most people instead want to be part of Europe, and not part of Putins empire. It ought to be the democratic and free right of the people of Ukraine to choose their future, but Farage does not agree. Nigel Farage has made a huge mistake by going along this path, he is wrong, he is 100% wrong, and most people in Ukraine will hate him for his ridiculous views. Nigel is proving he's a Rightist by ignoring the Putin's part in this problem. IMO only an idiot extremist would ignore the threat from Putin and back up Putin's excuse of blaming the EU & NATO. Which is one of the reasons why I warn against the folly of people moving to the Hard Right of politics. It is every bit as distasteful as a move to the Hard Left of politics, but even more dangerous in this world where Dictatorships appear to be coming into fashion. Even the Pope supports the view of Farage - not everyone who disagrees with you is far right extremist. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 22, 2024 6:45:15 GMT
Nigel is proving he's a Rightist by ignoring the Putin's part in this problem. IMO only an idiot extremist would ignore the threat from Putin and back up Putin's excuse of blaming the EU & NATO. Which is one of the reasons why I warn against the folly of people moving to the Hard Right of politics. It is every bit as distasteful as a move to the Hard Left of politics, but even more dangerous in this world where Dictatorships appear to be coming into fashion. Even the Pope supports the view of Farage - not everyone who disagrees with you is far right extremist. Most people who actually know their historical facts do; I think both sides don't like admitting the consequences of their greed for more power and money is creating a very unstable world for the plebs. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 22, 2024 7:59:08 GMT
A good job your friends don't feel the same, eh? Or you'd be billy-no-mates. All The Best You posted: -- "So you never once blamed Thatcher or previous Tory governments for things Blair and Brown got wrong? Oh, wait, yes you did, almost weekly."'Almost weekly' in which case you do not have to reference another Forum, with so many examples all you have to do is to post a nice big juicy one. You apparently have plenty to pick from. If you don't Post one then the people who read this thread will know you posted a lie. And you will be Billy-no-mates Except I've been asked not to post stiff from there here; but people here already know, so no need. All The Best |
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Post by see2 on Jun 22, 2024 8:47:36 GMT
That's for you to ponder. why? - this is your contention not mine. Oh No, this is all about what goes on in your mind, not in mine. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 22, 2024 8:52:43 GMT
Nigel is proving he's a Rightist by ignoring the Putin's part in this problem. IMO only an idiot extremist would ignore the threat from Putin and back up Putin's excuse of blaming the EU & NATO. Which is one of the reasons why I warn against the folly of people moving to the Hard Right of politics. It is every bit as distasteful as a move to the Hard Left of politics, but even more dangerous in this world where Dictatorships appear to be coming into fashion. Even the Pope supports the view of Farage - not everyone who disagrees with you is far right extremist. Very surprising IF TRUE, which I doubt. He is an extremist nevertheless. And in this case ^^^ not even living in the real world. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 22, 2024 8:56:46 GMT
You posted: -- "So you never once blamed Thatcher or previous Tory governments for things Blair and Brown got wrong? Oh, wait, yes you did, almost weekly."'Almost weekly' in which case you do not have to reference another Forum, with so many examples all you have to do is to post a nice big juicy one. You apparently have plenty to pick from. If you don't Post one then the people who read this thread will know you posted a lie. And you will be Billy-no-mates Except I've been asked not to post stiff from there here; but people here already know, so no need. All The Best You do not have to copy and paste, you have your so called 'knowledge' of what you accuse me of, and there is nothing to stop you posting what -- you supposedly know -- LOL. Either make your point or withdraw your FALSE accusation. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2024 8:58:32 GMT
Even the Pope supports the view of Farage - not everyone who disagrees with you is far right extremist. Very surprising IF TRUE, which I doubt. He is an extremist nevertheless. And in this case ^^^ not even living in the real world. But this is coming from somebody who spends their entire life on a forum telling lies with other far-left losers. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 22, 2024 8:59:55 GMT
Except I've been asked not to post stiff from there here; but people here already know, so no need. All The Best You do not have to copy and paste, you have your so called 'knowledge' of what you accuse me of, and there is nothing to stop you posting what -- you supposedly know -- LOL. Either make your point or withdraw your FALSE accusation. Blimey, Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dum are kicking off.🤣 |
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 22, 2024 9:02:32 GMT
Nigel Farage says that the EU + NATO are to blame for Putins war against UkraineThis surely is proof beyond any doubt that not only is Farage Delusional, but that he has absolutely no grasp of the real world. The point been is that MOST PEOPLE in Ukraine do not want to be part of a Russian sphere of interest, and most people instead want to be part of Europe, and not part of Putins empire. It ought to be the democratic and free right of the people of Ukraine to choose their future, but Farage does not agree. Nigel Farage has made a huge mistake by going along this path, he is wrong, he is 100% wrong, and most people in Ukraine will hate him for his ridiculous views. So Nigel offered an opinion that differs from yours. That hardly makes him delusional.
And, in the unlikely event that you are correct, Ukraine is still not our problem. We are not the world's policeman and nor should we try to be.
NO, its not the fact that Farage has an opinion different to mine Its the fact that Farage has an opinion different to the democratic wish of the President, government, Parliament and people of Ukraine. Clearly, Farage does not believe in either democracy, self determination or the rule of law, the man is dilusional, and this is going to set Reform UK back, and cost them votes. Politicians from both main partys are queuing up to condemn Farage -------------------------------------------- "John Healey, the shadow defence secretary, called the comments “disgraceful”, adding that Farage has “shown that he would rather lick Vladimir Putin’s boot than stand up for the people of Ukraine. That makes him unfit for any political office in our country, let alone leading a serious party in parliament.” |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 22, 2024 9:02:43 GMT
Nigel Farage says that the EU + NATO are to blame for Putins war against UkraineThis surely is proof beyond any doubt that not only is Farage Delusional, but that he has absolutely no grasp of the real world. The point been is that MOST PEOPLE in Ukraine do not want to be part of a Russian sphere of interest, and most people instead want to be part of Europe, and not part of Putins empire. It ought to be the democratic and free right of the people of Ukraine to choose their future, but Farage does not agree. Nigel Farage has made a huge mistake by going along this path, he is wrong, he is 100% wrong, and most people in Ukraine will hate him for his ridiculous views. This is a lie. You regurgitate rubbish all the time. Farage said Putin was to blame. But the EU and NATO expansionism provoked Putin. And this is what former Labour MP and NATO general George Robertson said about the the issue - this was who Farage also referred to in his interview with Nick Robinson: www.newstatesman.com/encounter/2024/05/george-robertson-nato-why-russia-fears-european-unionAnd that is what Farage was talking about. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 22, 2024 9:07:30 GMT
You do not have to copy and paste, you have your so called 'knowledge' of what you accuse me of, and there is nothing to stop you posting what -- you supposedly know -- LOL. Either make your point or withdraw your FALSE accusation. Blimey, Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dum are kicking off.🤣 Except that you have included yourself, not me LOL |
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