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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2024 15:15:21 GMT
LOL! You mean all the ones you disagree with.  Nope. You're not old and racist, but I disagree with you on most things. But there are plenty in the EU who are racist. Just travel east. I get it, though. You voted Remain and lost, and blaming racism for it helps to convince yourself that you're right and the world is wrong. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 19, 2024 15:52:18 GMT
I said " far right on SOME policies". The Rwanda Policy, knowingly in violation of treaties we signed decades ago and therefore requiring an Act Of Parliament to say "X is actually Y" to get it through, is clearly a Far Right Policy. NOTE: I am NOT opposed to removing Illegal Immigrants, using force if necessary; I am opposed to ineffective and costly white elephants. So please don't think I am labelling it "Far Right" because I appose the removal of immigrants. The ongoing framing of comments in the House to the effect that the Judiciary and Media are biased against Government and therefore need direct government control are clearly Far Right, especially as we have one of the most free and unbiased media landscapes anywhere. and that our Judiciary scores extremely high on implementing the laws as written. Heck, the Conservatives threatened to defund the BBC unless it started toeing the party line. The ever increasing defunding of Public Services and Welfare to farm the former out to the highly costly, and often unsatisfactory in terms of "customer satisfaction" Private Sector is a Far Right wet-dream. All The Best I cant think of any government policy that anyone could reasonably or seriously say was 'far right'. The reason I voted Reform UK is precisely because this government is not a centre right Conservative government. I assume the treaties or treaty you mention is the ECHR, which 75 years ago was worthwhile legislation because back in the late 1940's early 1950's there were millions of displaced people across a war torn Europe. But times change, we have moved on. Anyone with any common sense must realise that the ECHR is no longer fit for purpose. Do you think the architects of the ECHR would approve of it being used by left wing lawyers to stop governments deporting criminals/illegals/undesirables? The ECHR is antiquated outdated legislation that is no longer fit for purpose and should, with a sense of urgency, be repealed. And the sad thing is, behind closed doors most sensible politicians know it. No, I don't. But then I don't think the architects of the ECHR would approve of abandoning it so Right-Wing Neo-Liberal Governments can engage in a race to the bottom when it comes to worker's rights, pay etc. Which is EXACTLY what will happen if Reform or the Conservatives get their way and withdraw from the ECHR. Farage is a Far-Right (used to march up his local high-street singing Hitler Youth songs) Commodity Trader - he has absolutely NO INTEREST AT ALL in what is best for the Working Man and Woman of the Untied Kingdom. He ONLY cares about what is in the best interests of Investment Bankers and Big Business Shareholders. Far better of course to either amend the ECHR to address the real concerns about illegal and legal immigration. Failing that immediately adopt ALL protections for existing Citizens into UK Law, then set about crafting a working domestic immigration policy. Make no mistake, if he ever gets into power Farage will do ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL about Immigration; or if he does do anything he'll make it easier for immigrants. Because Investment Bankers and Big Business Shareholders WANT MORE Immigration; it depresses wage inflation and drives up living costs, thereby increasing profit margins without the need to invest in improving goods and services. The real reason Farage wants out of the ECHR is because it erodes worker's rights, like a right to holiday pay, maternity leave etc, which also increases profit margins without the need to invest in improving goods and services. Anyone dumb-fuck enough to think that Reform UK or the Conservatives have ever intended to control Immigration is arguably too fucking stupid to be allowed to vote. Note: I am NOT saying Labour intend to control it either, but they'll not bend the working man and woman over a barrel and rape them while doing so; Reform UK and the Tories will. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 19, 2024 15:53:52 GMT
Latest poll on EU Membership conducted by Omnisis between 12th and 13th June Question: Do you think Britain was right or wrong to leave the European Union ? It was right to leave ... 554 respondents 43% It was wrong to leave ... 729 respondents 57% The last time ANY national poll showed a majority in favour of the decision to Leave was back in 2022, and since that time there have been over 200 polls asking the question. We have a general election every 5 years The referendum was 8 years ago As the older generation dies away, and the younger generation takes their place, there is now a PERMANENT majority in favour of joining the EU. If democracy is to prevail, then we will rejoing in some form, to that end there can be no question about it. You appear to be blissfully unaware that clueless left wing kids, and I was one of them, grow up wise up and become the older generation. Yeah, but the ones who "grow up wise" tend NOT to be the ones who go on to vote Conservative or Reform. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 19, 2024 15:55:31 GMT
I cant think of any government policy that anyone could reasonably or seriously say was 'far right'. The reason I voted Reform UK is precisely because this government is not a centre right Conservative government. I assume the treaties or treaty you mention is the ECHR, which 75 years ago was worthwhile legislation because back in the late 1940's early 1950's there were millions of displaced people across a war torn Europe. But times change, we have moved on. Anyone with any common sense must realise that the ECHR is no longer fit for purpose. Do you think the architects of the ECHR would approve of it being used by left wing lawyers to stop governments deporting criminals/illegals/undesirables? The ECHR is antiquated outdated legislation that is no longer fit for purpose and should, with a sense of urgency, be repealed. And the sad thing is, behind closed doors most sensible politicians know it. Nor me , in fact alleged media bias comments could easily be labelled communist The UK has one of the least biased, and most free, media landscapes on the planet. All The Best |
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Post by see2 on Jun 19, 2024 16:01:09 GMT
Even though the Tories had a majority in parliament? The Tories had a majority in Parliament in the early 70s yet struggled to get approval to join the EEC through parliament. A majority does not always mean agreement within that majority. Exactly. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 19, 2024 16:05:54 GMT
Even though the Tories had a majority in parliament? The Tories were like every other Party in Parliament - they consisted of a majority of MP's who wanted to remain in the EU and would rather fight to ignore the referendum than find a good leaving deal. FFS even the LibDems voted against remaining in the Single Market - that is how bonkers Parliament was at the time. Then let no one blame the opposition government for the problems on leaving, blame the divided nation. Even Farage said he would not accept such a narrow loss if Brexit had failed. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 19, 2024 16:10:18 GMT
Well, the Mods here have asked us not to link to That Other Site; but for anyone wanting to see see2 constantly blaming the Tories for New Labour's failures, you know where to go. If you don't, drop me a PM, I'll help you get up to speed. But I am guessing you are all far too familiar with see2 and his constant dishonesty. All The Best You are nothing more than a very nasty liar. You can piss off with your dishonest "All The Best". Shite insinuation is something I normally associate with with Tory liars, seems you have an affinity with them. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 19, 2024 16:17:23 GMT
I cant think of any government policy that anyone could reasonably or seriously say was 'far right'. The reason I voted Reform UK is precisely because this government is not a centre right Conservative government. I assume the treaties or treaty you mention is the ECHR, which 75 years ago was worthwhile legislation because back in the late 1940's early 1950's there were millions of displaced people across a war torn Europe. But times change, we have moved on. Anyone with any common sense must realise that the ECHR is no longer fit for purpose. Do you think the architects of the ECHR would approve of it being used by left wing lawyers to stop governments deporting criminals/illegals/undesirables? The ECHR is antiquated outdated legislation that is no longer fit for purpose and should, with a sense of urgency, be repealed. And the sad thing is, behind closed doors most sensible politicians know it. No, I don't. But then I don't think the architects of the ECHR would approve of abandoning it so Right-Wing Neo-Liberal Governments can engage in a race to the bottom when it comes to worker's rights, pay etc. Which is EXACTLY what will happen if Reform or the Conservatives get their way and withdraw from the ECHR. Farage is a Far-Right (used to march up his local high-street singing Hitler Youth songs) Commodity Trader - he has absolutely NO INTEREST AT ALL in what is best for the Working Man and Woman of the Untied Kingdom. He ONLY cares about what is in the best interests of Investment Bankers and Big Business Shareholders. Far better of course to either amend the ECHR to address the real concerns about illegal and legal immigration. Failing that immediately adopt ALL protections for existing Citizens into UK Law, then set about crafting a working domestic immigration policy. Make no mistake, if he ever gets into power Farage will do ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL about Immigration; or if he does do anything he'll make it easier for immigrants. Because Investment Bankers and Big Business Shareholders WANT MORE Immigration; it depresses wage inflation and drives up living costs, thereby increasing profit margins without the need to invest in improving goods and services. The real reason Farage wants out of the ECHR is because it erodes worker's rights, like a right to holiday pay, maternity leave etc, which also increases profit margins without the need to invest in improving goods and services. Anyone dumb-fuck enough to think that Reform UK or the Conservatives have ever intended to control Immigration is arguably too fucking stupid to be allowed to vote. Note: I am NOT saying Labour intend to control it either, but they'll not bend the working man and woman over a barrel and rape them while doing so; Reform UK and the Tories will. All The Best Bollocks, Nulla. You talk as if Human Rights didn't exist before Blair, and that's nonsense. We abolished slavery 200 odd years before the HRA. The death penalty 40 odd years before. The Race Relations Act was 30 odd years before, as were the various disability discrimination acts. I started work in the 80s and I've always enjoyed most of the rights you've mentioned. One of the reasons that the UK was a late signatory to the various international Human Rights legislation was because it was accepted, internationally, that our laws already met or exceeded the requirements. The ECHR was intended to deal with the aftermath of a World War – not to prevent governments from deporting foreign criminals. Honestly, Nulla – you're talking utter shite. Again. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 19, 2024 16:43:33 GMT
No, I don't. But then I don't think the architects of the ECHR would approve of abandoning it so Right-Wing Neo-Liberal Governments can engage in a race to the bottom when it comes to worker's rights, pay etc. Which is EXACTLY what will happen if Reform or the Conservatives get their way and withdraw from the ECHR. Farage is a Far-Right (used to march up his local high-street singing Hitler Youth songs) Commodity Trader - he has absolutely NO INTEREST AT ALL in what is best for the Working Man and Woman of the Untied Kingdom. He ONLY cares about what is in the best interests of Investment Bankers and Big Business Shareholders. Far better of course to either amend the ECHR to address the real concerns about illegal and legal immigration. Failing that immediately adopt ALL protections for existing Citizens into UK Law, then set about crafting a working domestic immigration policy. Make no mistake, if he ever gets into power Farage will do ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL about Immigration; or if he does do anything he'll make it easier for immigrants. Because Investment Bankers and Big Business Shareholders WANT MORE Immigration; it depresses wage inflation and drives up living costs, thereby increasing profit margins without the need to invest in improving goods and services. The real reason Farage wants out of the ECHR is because it erodes worker's rights, like a right to holiday pay, maternity leave etc, which also increases profit margins without the need to invest in improving goods and services. Anyone dumb-fuck enough to think that Reform UK or the Conservatives have ever intended to control Immigration is arguably too fucking stupid to be allowed to vote. Note: I am NOT saying Labour intend to control it either, but they'll not bend the working man and woman over a barrel and rape them while doing so; Reform UK and the Tories will. All The Best Bollocks, Nulla. You talk as if Human Rights didn't exist before Blair, and that's nonsense. What has Blair got to do with the ECHR? The UK ratified the ECHR in 1951, nearly a half-century BEFORE Blair came to power! Furthermore, I never even mentioned Blair. Seems it is not me who is talking bollocks; you need to look in a mirror. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 19, 2024 16:46:08 GMT
Well, the Mods here have asked us not to link to That Other Site; but for anyone wanting to see see2 constantly blaming the Tories for New Labour's failures, you know where to go. If you don't, drop me a PM, I'll help you get up to speed. But I am guessing you are all far too familiar with see2 and his constant dishonesty. All The Best You are nothing more than a very nasty liar. You can piss off with your dishonest "All The Best". Shite insinuation is something I normally associate with with Tory liars, seems you have an affinity with them. I genuinely do wish every poster here all the best, even the ones I vehemently disagree with. There is not a single person here who I regularly engage with who, if we were in the same pub, I would not buy a drink for. You see grown-ups can separate a "difference of opinion on a forum" from "actual hatred in the real world". All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 19, 2024 16:47:52 GMT
No, I don't. But then I don't think the architects of the ECHR would approve of abandoning it so Right-Wing Neo-Liberal Governments can engage in a race to the bottom when it comes to worker's rights, pay etc. Which is EXACTLY what will happen if Reform or the Conservatives get their way and withdraw from the ECHR. Farage is a Far-Right (used to march up his local high-street singing Hitler Youth songs) Commodity Trader - he has absolutely NO INTEREST AT ALL in what is best for the Working Man and Woman of the Untied Kingdom. He ONLY cares about what is in the best interests of Investment Bankers and Big Business Shareholders. Far better of course to either amend the ECHR to address the real concerns about illegal and legal immigration. Failing that immediately adopt ALL protections for existing Citizens into UK Law, then set about crafting a working domestic immigration policy. Make no mistake, if he ever gets into power Farage will do ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL about Immigration; or if he does do anything he'll make it easier for immigrants. Because Investment Bankers and Big Business Shareholders WANT MORE Immigration; it depresses wage inflation and drives up living costs, thereby increasing profit margins without the need to invest in improving goods and services. The real reason Farage wants out of the ECHR is because it erodes worker's rights, like a right to holiday pay, maternity leave etc, which also increases profit margins without the need to invest in improving goods and services. Anyone dumb-fuck enough to think that Reform UK or the Conservatives have ever intended to control Immigration is arguably too fucking stupid to be allowed to vote. Note: I am NOT saying Labour intend to control it either, but they'll not bend the working man and woman over a barrel and rape them while doing so; Reform UK and the Tories will. All The Best Bollocks, Nulla. You talk as if Human Rights didn't exist before Blair, and that's nonsense. We abolished slavery 200 odd years before the HRA. The death penalty 40 odd years before. The Race Relations Act was 30 odd years before, as were the various disability discrimination acts. I started work in the 80s and I've always enjoyed most of the rights you've mentioned. One of the reasons that the UK was a late signatory to the various international Human Rights legislation was because it was accepted, internationally, that our laws already met or exceeded the requirements. The ECHR was intended to deal with the aftermath of a World War – not to prevent governments from deporting foreign criminals.Honestly, Nulla – you're talking utter shite. Again. And I have already agreed we should, read MUST, be able to deport foreign criminals. All The Best |
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Post by see2 on Jun 19, 2024 16:52:18 GMT
You are nothing more than a very nasty liar. You can piss off with your dishonest "All The Best". Shite insinuation is something I normally associate with with Tory liars, seems you have an affinity with them. I genuinely do wish every poster here all the best, even the ones I vehemently disagree with. There is not a single person here who I regularly engage with who, if we were in the same pub, I would not buy a drink for. You see grown-ups can separate a "difference of opinion on a forum" from "actual hatred in the real world". All The Best I would prefer not to drink with a liar, I would find such a person to be an embarrassment to try to hold a conversation with. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 19, 2024 16:54:45 GMT
I genuinely do wish every poster here all the best, even the ones I vehemently disagree with. There is not a single person here who I regularly engage with who, if we were in the same pub, I would not buy a drink for. You see grown-ups can separate a "difference of opinion on a forum" from "actual hatred in the real world". All The Best I would prefer not to drink with a liar, I would find such a person to be an embarrassment to try to hold a conversation with. Just as well. Without your slurpy cup you would get your trousers wet. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 19, 2024 16:59:51 GMT
I would prefer not to drink with a liar, I would find such a person to be an embarrassment to try to hold a conversation with. Just as well. Without your slurpy cup you would get your trousers wet. An idiot as well as a liar ^^^ LOL |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 19, 2024 17:03:12 GMT
Just as well. Without your slurpy cup you would get your trousers wet. An idiot as well as a liar ^^^ LOL Stop projecting and stop giggling . |
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