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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 17, 2024 16:13:00 GMT
Well Farage has done in 14 days what Labour have tried to do in almost 14 years, beat the Tories.
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Post by see2 on Jun 17, 2024 16:39:31 GMT
Well Farage has done in 14 days what Labour have tried to do in almost 14 years, beat the Tories. Perhaps, but the Tories did do the hard work themselves. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 17, 2024 16:42:46 GMT
Well Farage has done in 14 days what Labour have tried to do in almost 14 years, beat the Tories. Perhaps, but the Tories did do the hard work themselves. Well that could be true, because Labour have done fuck all to warrant being ahead of the Tories. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 17, 2024 16:45:39 GMT
And what happened to UKIP? On your second highlighted comment, you are just romancing your political dreams. Reform are a right wing mob, just as Farage comes from the right of the Tory Party, and Farage backs the most dangerous Right-Winger in politics today, namely Donald Trump. who is a man backed by numerous extreme right-wing movements. You endanger everyone when you play about with the Hard Right which encourages the Far-Right. Sometimes I worry about you lefties, no honestly I do. I mean who's using the braincell at see2 Towers this afternoon? It doesn't appear to be you. UKIP were 100% successful, in fact UKIP is an incredibly rare example of a political party who actually achieved it's aim. UKIP and of course Farage campaigned for a referendum, when UKIP support got to 12.7% Cameron was forced to give in. Anyone who thinks UKIP were not a success is either a blithering idiot, or a bitter left wing remainiac. Tell me see2, which are you?.. 1. Rightist denigration, again. 2. I asked what happened to UKIP, you ignored the question because you don't like the answer. 3. I am a realistic objective individual so neither of what you offer or which your sad Rightist mind can understand. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 17, 2024 16:51:53 GMT
Perhaps, but the Tories did do the hard work themselves. Well that could be true, because Labour have done fuck all to warrant being ahead of the Tories. In the opinion of many misguided Rightist Posters. That Starmer is not Corbyn appears to be making the big difference. So you can't just dismiss Labour in this political equation. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 17, 2024 16:52:02 GMT
so no idea about the subject under discussion then.. OK Same as you then.
Given you've presented no evidence at all either, but just blindly parrot tory propaganda that the Head of the Civil Service has already said is highly likely to be mislead people. I didn't make shit up about Labour, the Tories did - go ask them. FFS - I literally gave you the link to the Treasury figures.  All you have done is flap your gums.. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 17, 2024 16:54:10 GMT
Same as you then.
Given you've presented no evidence at all either, but just blindly parrot tory propaganda that the Head of the Civil Service has already said is highly likely to be mislead people. I didn't make shit up about Labour, the Tories did - go ask them. FFS - I literally gave you the link to the Treasury figures. All you have done is flap your gums.. That the Civil Service have said are likely to be misleading. All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 17, 2024 17:31:34 GMT
FFS - I literally gave you the link to the Treasury figures. All you have done is flap your gums.. That the Civil Service have said are likely to be misleading. All The Best They are more accurate than any other. |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 17, 2024 20:57:09 GMT
Sometimes I worry about you lefties, no honestly I do. I mean who's using the braincell at see2 Towers this afternoon? It doesn't appear to be you. UKIP were 100% successful, in fact UKIP is an incredibly rare example of a political party who actually achieved it's aim. UKIP and of course Farage campaigned for a referendum, when UKIP support got to 12.7% Cameron was forced to give in. Anyone who thinks UKIP were not a success is either a blithering idiot, or a bitter left wing remainiac. Tell me see2, which are you?.. 1. Rightist denigration, again. 2. I asked what happened to UKIP, you ignored the question because you don't like the answer. 3. I am a realistic objective individual so neither of what you offer or which your sad Rightist mind can understand. 1 and 2. UKIP achieved their aim and effectively melted away as they were always seen to be a single aim party. They then became a fringe party with all the attendant problems that that entails. 3 Objectivity is a rare attribute I think the last part of the sentence at 3 kind of indicates a lack of objectivity. |
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 17, 2024 21:18:52 GMT
If there's a regrouping or realignment of the Right after the general election, which we assume will involve Reform UK + many Tories, what will happen to the more traditional Tories, Libertarians and moderates within the Conservative Party, who will be very unlikely to associate themselves with Reform UK. ?
The Tory Party in its entirety will not lurch further to the right, the truth is that the party will fracture or split.
Could dissafected Tories join the Lib Dems or even Labour ?, might they try to form a new party.
What if the moderates and one nation conservatives fight off a lurch to the right and manage to keep the party more or less as it is, what would the likes of Liz Truss and other right wingers then do ? (if they retain their seats).
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 17, 2024 21:23:43 GMT
I see Labour have now published some made-up assumptions about the cost of the Tory's spending plans.
All The Best
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Post by Bentley on Jun 17, 2024 21:29:46 GMT
What lefties call ‘ moderates ‘ are Tories that are more like lefties than Tories .
The Tory party hasn't been right wing since Thatcher .
I’m not sure that there are enough sensible people in the UK to ever elect a government that isn’t ( at least ) left wing .
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 17, 2024 21:43:58 GMT
If there's a regrouping or realignment of the Right after the general election, which we assume will involve Reform UK + many Tories, what will happen to the more traditional Tories, Libertarians and moderates within the Conservative Party, who will be very unlikely to associate themselves with Reform UK. ? The Tory Party in its entirety will not lurch further to the right, the truth is that the party will fracture or split. Could dissafected Tories join the Lib Dems or even Labour ?, might they try to form a new party. What if the moderates and one nation conservatives fight off a lurch to the right and manage to keep the party more or less as it is, what would the likes of Liz Truss and other right wingers then do ? (if they retain their seats). You answered your own question - the One Nation 'Tory's' will feel more at home in the LibDems or Labour Party. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 17, 2024 22:23:26 GMT
If there's a regrouping or realignment of the Right after the general election, which we assume will involve Reform UK + many Tories, what will happen to the more traditional Tories, Libertarians and moderates within the Conservative Party, who will be very unlikely to associate themselves with Reform UK. ? The Tory Party in its entirety will not lurch further to the right, the truth is that the party will fracture or split. Could dissafected Tories join the Lib Dems or even Labour ?, might they try to form a new party. What if the moderates and one nation conservatives fight off a lurch to the right and manage to keep the party more or less as it is, what would the likes of Liz Truss and other right wingers then do ? (if they retain their seats). It's not a case of 'if' there's a realignment of the right, it's a 22 carat diamond encrusted guarantee. It's already happening. Sadly the Tories, for some inexplicable reason, failed to realise that two centrist parties in a two party system was never going to work and after years in office they were always going to be the fall guys. The current Tory party cannot lurch 'further' to the right for two reasons: They are currently centrist so moving to the right would be a move to the right, not a 'lurch' further right. And secondly, there could never be a move to the centre right with the current imposters of the parliamentary conservative party the majority of whom are posing as Tory MP's who will inevitably move to the Lab/Lib dare I say, Green parties, and after five years of Starmers pro EU, pro immigration, pro net zero Labour government, I imagine a centre right Tory government will be a shoo in. A price worth paying? Not really, but if that what it takes... |
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 17, 2024 22:44:37 GMT
If there's a regrouping or realignment of the Right after the general election, which we assume will involve Reform UK + many Tories, what will happen to the more traditional Tories, Libertarians and moderates within the Conservative Party, who will be very unlikely to associate themselves with Reform UK. ? The Tory Party in its entirety will not lurch further to the right, the truth is that the party will fracture or split. Could dissafected Tories join the Lib Dems or even Labour ?, might they try to form a new party. What if the moderates and one nation conservatives fight off a lurch to the right and manage to keep the party more or less as it is, what would the likes of Liz Truss and other right wingers then do ? (if they retain their seats). It's not a case of 'if' there's a realignment of the right, it's a 22 carat diamond encrusted guarantee. It's already happening. Sadly the Tories, for some inexplicable reason, failed to realise that two centrist parties in a two party system was never going to work and after years in office they were always going to be the fall guys. The current Tory party cannot lurch 'further' to the right for two reasons: They are currently centrist so moving to the right would be a move to the right, not a 'lurch' further right. And secondly, there could never be a move to the centre right with the current imposters of the parliamentary conservative party the majority of whom are posing as Tory MP's who will inevitably move to the Lab/Lib dare I say, Green parties, and after five years of Starmers pro EU, pro immigration, pro net zero Labour government, I imagine a centre right Tory government will be a shoo in. A price worth paying? Not really, but if that what it takes... The Tory Party was always a moderate "Centre Right" political party BEFORE Margaret Thatcher, people like Edward Heath, Alec Douglas Hume and Harold MacMillan were centre right and moderates. The Conservative Party always was a centre right political party, not a "right wing" political party. Starmers concilliatory moves towards the EU will only improve the British economy, there is talk of Starmer resurrecting Theresa May's "Chequers Plan" which would harmonise UK regulation with EU regulation, thereby making trade between us easier and with less red tape .. thats got to be good. The Labour Party is indifferent to immigration, they recognise the many benefits that immigrants have brought to this country, but they believe that immigration numbers are too high, and propose to reduce the numbers. |
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