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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 30, 2024 14:15:45 GMT
The only time I have used those three words in conjunction is to quote you. You used it first, you should define it. Of course, you won't; your abject dishonesty won't permit it. If it were defined and I managed to show such a thing you could not then claim "ah, but that is lefty" - which is really all you ever say. All The Best Why do we not just try defining Right Wing? You have used that several times here so that should be easy for you including exclusively Right Wing. Once we can define that then we can progress on to objectively Right Wing which seems on the face of it to mean that from an objective point of view something is Right Wing. If you cannot define them there is not much point in using them. I only used that term in response to Squeezed-Middle. He used it first, it is down to him to define. He won't, he lacks the honesty. All The Best |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 30, 2024 14:18:32 GMT
Why do we not just try defining Right Wing? You have used that several times here so that should be easy for you including exclusively Right Wing. Once we can define that then we can progress on to objectively Right Wing which seems on the face of it to mean that from an objective point of view something is Right Wing. If you cannot define them there is not much point in using them. I only used that term in response to Squeezed-Middle. He used it first, it is down to him to define. He won't, he lacks the honesty. All The Best But you have used Right Wing numerous times so it should be easy to define. If we start from basics we can progress. It is called the act of a reasonable man. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 30, 2024 14:35:00 GMT
Why do we not just try defining Right Wing? You have used that several times here so that should be easy for you including exclusively Right Wing. Once we can define that then we can progress on to objectively Right Wing which seems on the face of it to mean that from an objective point of view something is Right Wing. If you cannot define them there is not much point in using them. I only used that term in response to Squeezed-Middle. He used it first, it is down to him to define. He won't, he lacks the honesty. All The Best This isn't the schoolyard, Nulla. You constantly use the term, so how about you tell us what you think it means? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 30, 2024 15:36:13 GMT
OK Nulla, in the interests of furthering grown up discussion I'll help. This is how I see it:
Right Wing:
Small state, low tax, minimum laws, individualist, maximum personal autonomy. Laissez faire capitalist. Traditional values.
Recent/Current example: United States
Left Wing:
Big state, high tax, authoritarian, collectivist. Minimum personal autonomy. Planned/controlled economy. Requirement to conform to values set down by the state.
Recent/Current examples: USSR, PRC
Now try as i might, I just can't see Hitler as some kind of small state free marketeer.
On the contrary, the National Socialists (as the name suggests) are clearly far more of the left than they are of the right.
Your turn.
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 30, 2024 17:00:44 GMT
I only used that term in response to Squeezed-Middle. He used it first, it is down to him to define. He won't, he lacks the honesty. All The Best This isn't the schoolyard, Nulla. You constantly use the term, so how about you tell us what you think it means? PROVE I have used the term even once, except in response to YOUR use of it. You claim I constantly use it, therefore, it should be easy for you to find just one instance of me doing so. All The Best |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 30, 2024 17:25:45 GMT
This isn't the schoolyard, Nulla. You constantly use the term, so how about you tell us what you think it means? PROVE I have used the term even once, except in response to YOUR use of it. You claim I constantly use it, therefore, it should be easy for you to find just one instance of me doing so. All The Best I'm not interested in your puerile arguments, Nulla. I'm not a child. But if you want to debate the politics, then please feel free to contribute. But we'll understand if you don't feel able. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 30, 2024 17:47:30 GMT
This isn't the schoolyard, Nulla. You constantly use the term, so how about you tell us what you think it means? PROVE I have used the term even once, except in response to YOUR use of it. You claim I constantly use it, therefore, it should be easy for you to find just one instance of me doing so. All The Best Well in the last few pages you have called the Far Right Terrorist Likud and a dictatorship can be extreme Right Wing. So you must have some idea of what you mean by its use. All people are trying to do is get to the bottom of what you mean so we can agree or disagree, such is the nature of debate. If we cannot get you to define it we cannot agree or disagree and it appears to be only a means to denigrate. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 30, 2024 18:49:08 GMT
The "Hard to Far Right". Galtieri, Pinochet, Franco, Hitler. All of whom were the leaders that wreaked murder, torture and rape on tens of thousands of people to the left of them. With the exception of Pinochet, they were all far left (National Socialist for example - the clue is in the name). But even if we ignore that, and stick purely with the overtly far left regimes, they have still taken far more lives then your faux far right. So your assertion that the far right are more dangerous is false. Including Pinochet they were all guilty of the murder, rape and torture of thousands of people to the left of their Rightist position. The term 'National Socialist' is the same as using the term 'Conservative Socialist' in the UK because the German 'National Party' was the German Conservative Party. Apart from which, Once Hitler got control he set about, amongst others, putting Communists, Socialists, Liberals and trade unionists and anyone else who disagreed with his Rightist Elitist programmes into work camps. Franco was a very religious 'Conservative pro-Monarchist' and Galtieri was a very religious, 'attending church every day', Conservative. My assertion that the Hard-Right to Far-Right is extremely dangerous is very very true. I think you need to decontaminate yourself from Rightist propaganda. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 30, 2024 18:57:44 GMT
When Hitler was still seeking votes at the ballot box, he campaigned on left wing issues. His right hand man Ernst Rohm (whom he later had murdered), was as left wing as they come. Their top competitors, Communists, so, they campaigned on left wing issues, work, bread, jobs, nationalisation, profit sharing etc. Rohm and the Black Shirts were killing Communists and others who were against the Far-Rightists rise to power, in open battles on the streets before Hitler gained power. He was a natural supporter of the Rights rise to power. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 30, 2024 19:40:25 GMT
When Hitler was still seeking votes at the ballot box, he campaigned on left wing issues. His right hand man Ernst Rohm (whom he later had murdered), was as left wing as they come. Their top competitors, Communists, so, they campaigned on left wing issues, work, bread, jobs, nationalisation, profit sharing etc. Rohm and the Black Shirts were killing Communists and others who were against the Far-Rightists rise to power, in open battles on the streets before Hitler gained power. He was a natural supporter of the Rights rise to power. Communists have been known to kill other communists. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 30, 2024 23:29:58 GMT
PROVE I have used the term even once, except in response to YOUR use of it. You claim I constantly use it, therefore, it should be easy for you to find just one instance of me doing so. All The Best I'm not interested in your puerile arguments, Nulla. I'm not a child. But if you want to debate the politics, then please feel free to contribute. But we'll understand if you don't feel able. So you can't demonstrate I have used the term. We both knew you couldn't, because I haven't. So why not just admit you knowingly lied about me? It is obvious to everyone you did. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 30, 2024 23:31:57 GMT
PROVE I have used the term even once, except in response to YOUR use of it. You claim I constantly use it, therefore, it should be easy for you to find just one instance of me doing so. All The Best Well in the last few pages you have called the Far Right Terrorist Likud and a dictatorship can be extreme Right Wing. So you must have some idea of what you mean by its use. All people are trying to do is get to the bottom of what you mean so we can agree or disagree, such is the nature of debate. If we cannot get you to define it we cannot agree or disagree and it appears to be only a means to denigrate. In the same way half the Members here use "lefty" you mean? Funny how you care about when it is about the other end of the political spectrum, eh? Double-standards much? All The Best |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 31, 2024 7:00:06 GMT
Well in the last few pages you have called the Far Right Terrorist Likud and a dictatorship can be extreme Right Wing. So you must have some idea of what you mean by its use. All people are trying to do is get to the bottom of what you mean so we can agree or disagree, such is the nature of debate. If we cannot get you to define it we cannot agree or disagree and it appears to be only a means to denigrate. In the same way half the Members here use "lefty" you mean? Funny how you care about when it is about the other end of the political spectrum, eh? Double-standards much? All The Best Yes that is right but at least I would define what a 'leftie' is. I know what Socialism is what it does and how it works, if I call a leftie a leftie I know exactly what I mean and would guess that many other people do as well. It contains good and bad and honest people and scoundrels it is a definition of people who believe broadly that society should work for all. It is getting that to happen is where the problems occur and the denigration aspect is where 'lefties' progress their views irrespective of the wishes of others and seek 'equality and equity' for all which obviously means taking things off others. So far we have Right Wing, far/hard right wing etc and we have no clear idea of what you mean and how you define it |
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 31, 2024 7:17:28 GMT
Like this thread, Farage is only going to become more popular now with this last week's bloody events.
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 31, 2024 8:37:01 GMT
Like this thread, Farage is only going to become more popular now with this last week's bloody events. Only among morons. All The Best |
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