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Post by witchfinder on May 31, 2024 9:18:54 GMT
In England ( all of England ) the length of time it takes to get a GP appointment lengthened after the Conservatives came to power in 2010, and as with waiting lists, got worse. Nothing what so ever to to with immigrants - there was no problem before 2011 In England there has been a problem for many years to my recollection and the experiences of family. The problems started accruing after 2005. The well to do classes in London could then suddenly get plumbers and nannies whilst the tradesmen and workers in the UK found they were being edged out and their wages were falling This is complete nonsense, there was no hike, blip, surge or rise in GP appointment waiting times after 2005 The public satisfaction rate of the NHS was at an all time high in 2009, after the Blair / Brown governments dramatically improved the NHS, brought down waiting lists and waiting times. There is no evidence that the surge of EU migrant workers in 2004 put strain on the NHS.  |
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Post by piglet on May 31, 2024 9:22:49 GMT
Jonksy, you have an admirer, me, i think ive yet to read a post that i didnt agree with. The paradox is that the crazier the country gets the more left, the crazier people like you and me seem. The truth is we are from another time, another set of values and we are in enemy country.
If we had a country with yours and my values, like the 1960s, little would be wrong. The vast majority are now left, even those that think they are right wing.
The country, western society is as effed up as it can get, look at the TV, the politicians, the values.
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Post by sheepy on May 31, 2024 9:24:16 GMT
I call agreeing with the wanton murder of innocents by a rogue government pretty odious. Which in fairness, I have never seen Jonsky do, which in my book makes him not all bad. Though I have seen him delighting in the drowning of children. Which was a forgone conclusion because playing politics with innocent people's lives always ends up the same way, they were constantly told it was only a matter of time, they must be working on the old adage you need to be cruel to be kind. I do remember what you are talking about now you have said it, I doubt he was actually reveling in the death of children but more the side of we were right. That nothing was actually done about it anyway before or after the fact. |
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Post by Vinny on May 31, 2024 9:27:02 GMT
In England there has been a problem for many years to my recollection and the experiences of family. The problems started accruing after 2005. The well to do classes in London could then suddenly get plumbers and nannies whilst the tradesmen and workers in the UK found they were being edged out and their wages were falling This is complete nonsense, there was no hike, blip, surge or rise in GP appointment waiting times after 2005 The public satisfaction rate of the NHS was at an all time high in 2009, after the Blair / Brown governments dramatically improved the NHS, brought down waiting lists and waiting times. There is no evidence that the surge of EU migrant workers in 2004 put strain on the NHS. View AttachmentThere is evidence that the Labour "improvement" of the NHS was funded by borrowing and was therefore unsustainable. What is the long term method for funding the NHS without borrowing? What's it going to cost ordinary taxpayers? |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2024 9:27:57 GMT
Though I have seen him delighting in the drowning of children. Which was a forgone conclusion because playing politics with innocent people's lives always ends up the same way, they were constantly told it was only a matter of time, they must be working on the old adage you need to be cruel to be kind. I do remember what you are talking about now you have said it, I doubt he was actually reveling in the death of children but more the side of we were right. That nothing was actually done about it anyway before or after the fact. Well that's quite a spin you have put on someone saying "whoops" and sniggering at the drowning of children. Goebbels could have made good use of you. |
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Post by sheepy on May 31, 2024 9:32:30 GMT
Which was a forgone conclusion because playing politics with innocent people's lives always ends up the same way, they were constantly told it was only a matter of time, they must be working on the old adage you need to be cruel to be kind. I do remember what you are talking about now you have said it, I doubt he was actually reveling in the death of children but more the side of we were right. That nothing was actually done about it anyway before or after the fact. Well that's quite a spin you have put on someone saying "whoops" and sniggering at the drowning of children. Goebbels could have made good use of you. No spin, that is how I read it, being right can also be painful, I once had a blazing row with a member of the middle classes of the socialist workers party about how they thought violence was the answer to all their goals, which I pointed out it wouldn't get them anywhere, so they said didn't you meet any of the rough boys on your council estate, which I replied you fucking middle class idiot I was one of the rough boys. |
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Post by Vinny on May 31, 2024 9:33:28 GMT
If you want to stop the drownings, first, offshore processing of asylum seekers in safe countries adjacent to the unsafe ones.
Then, anyone who comes by boat via France, automatic deportation.
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Post by witchfinder on May 31, 2024 9:38:13 GMT
This is complete nonsense, there was no hike, blip, surge or rise in GP appointment waiting times after 2005 The public satisfaction rate of the NHS was at an all time high in 2009, after the Blair / Brown governments dramatically improved the NHS, brought down waiting lists and waiting times. There is no evidence that the surge of EU migrant workers in 2004 put strain on the NHS. View AttachmentThere is evidence that the Labour "improvement" of the NHS was funded by borrowing and was therefore unsustainable. What is the long term method for funding the NHS without borrowing? What's it going to cost ordinary taxpayers? Well Vinny, the truth is that there is SOME undeniable evidence that improving the NHS Estate ( hospitals & buildings ) did involve borrowing, or to be precise PFI. However, most of the improvements in the NHS, such as extra clinical staff ( doctors, nurses, radiographers, anysthetists, physiotherapists etc etc ) did not involve borrowing, and by the time the huge improvements were visible and working in 2007, UK borrowing was lower than at its peak under John Major. |
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Post by Vinny on May 31, 2024 9:39:33 GMT
I'm not defending any party.
But the thing is this, we need to get the debt down.
How would Labour, if they get in, do that and "improve the NHS" and not clobber us all with higher taxes?
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Post by Bentley on May 31, 2024 9:42:30 GMT
They will clobber us with higher taxes .
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Post by Vinny on May 31, 2024 9:45:44 GMT
Yes, they will.
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Post by jonksy on May 31, 2024 9:57:06 GMT
They will clobber us with higher taxes . They will probably tax bonking. There isn't much these days that is tax free. |
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Post by see2 on May 31, 2024 10:19:37 GMT
I'm not defending any party. But the thing is this, we need to get the debt down. How would Labour, if they get in, do that and "improve the NHS" and not clobber us all with higher taxes? One guess might be to initially borrow in order to invest. Or to use some of the governments income specifically for investment. The important point here appears to be that a Starmer government would encourage investment, side by side with the private sector, thus encouraging the private sector to invest where they might otherwise have idled by. |
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Post by see2 on May 31, 2024 10:21:34 GMT
They will clobber us with higher taxes . They will probably tax bonking. There isn't much these days that is tax free. Just as long as they tax brickies, that'll do for me LOL |
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Post by see2 on May 31, 2024 10:24:31 GMT
I'm beginning to hope they do, At least then you guys would really have something to whinge about LOL |
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