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Post by wapentake on May 29, 2024 0:02:58 GMT
But it’s true and he’s not wrong that the two major parties lost any grip on immigration a long time ago,it’s also true that neither have any coherent policies to sort it linkPeople can shout Islamophobia and/or racism, but even Blair is now admitting his role in this increasing problem and extreme Islam but its not just that though his policy and illegal war brought all this down on this country,that and his abject surrender to the ideal of a political union has brought us to where we are today. People vilify Farage but for all that he never wrought the damage which was done by others,I don’t agree with him cosying up to Trump but it would be a mistake imo ignoring everything he says and those who call him extreme are clueless,if they continue to ignore what’s happening then they may well see real extremism.
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Post by Totheleft on May 29, 2024 0:16:50 GMT
But it’s true and he’s not wrong that the two major parties lost any grip on immigration a long time ago,it’s also true that neither have any coherent policies to sort it linkPeople can shout Islamophobia and/or racism, but even Blair is now admitting his role in this increasing problem and extreme Islam but its not just that though his policy and illegal war brought all this down on this country,that and his abject surrender to the ideal of a political union has brought us to where we are today. People vilify Farage but for all that he never wrought the damage which was done by others,I don’t agree with him cosying up to Trump but it would be a mistake imo ignoring everything he says and those who call him extreme are clueless,if they continue to ignore what’s happening then they may well see real extremism. He's a one trick pony all he ever goes on about is Immigration immigration immigration. It's from the Nasty Romanians living next door people speaking French on the trains and now Muslim youth not having British values. While I agree with a certain extent about Muslim youth . Why doesn't he change his record no wonder Reform not polling above 15%. Even when the tories are heading for disaster. There just not picking up enough in the polls there the new loony party .
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Post by wapentake on May 29, 2024 0:36:23 GMT
But it’s true and he’s not wrong that the two major parties lost any grip on immigration a long time ago,it’s also true that neither have any coherent policies to sort it linkPeople can shout Islamophobia and/or racism, but even Blair is now admitting his role in this increasing problem and extreme Islam but its not just that though his policy and illegal war brought all this down on this country,that and his abject surrender to the ideal of a political union has brought us to where we are today. People vilify Farage but for all that he never wrought the damage which was done by others,I don’t agree with him cosying up to Trump but it would be a mistake imo ignoring everything he says and those who call him extreme are clueless,if they continue to ignore what’s happening then they may well see real extremism. He's a one trick pony all he ever goes on about is Immigration immigration immigration. It's from the Nasty Romanians living next door people speaking French on the trains and now Muslim youth not having British values. While I agree with a certain extent about Muslim youth . Why doesn't he change his record no wonder Reform not polling above 15%. Even when the tories are heading for disaster. There just not picking up enough in the polls there the new loony party . One trick pony? and no that(immigration) wasn’t his only argument he quite rightly saw the folly of signing up to every treaty with little understanding of the implications. Do you think if it had remained a common market we’d have left? Can’t you see the parallels between his actions (Blair) and those of Merkel,do you think his or hers have made this country or Europe a safer place? Do you think the really right wing that are now appearing in Europe would be happening if they’d not done what they did,do you think the once very liberal Scandinavian democracies would be acting how they are without the experience they’ve had of welcoming all and sundry?
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Post by Totheleft on May 29, 2024 0:44:09 GMT
He's a one trick pony all he ever goes on about is Immigration immigration immigration. It's from the Nasty Romanians living next door people speaking French on the trains and now Muslim youth not having British values. While I agree with a certain extent about Muslim youth . Why doesn't he change his record no wonder Reform not polling above 15%. Even when the tories are heading for disaster. There just not picking up enough in the polls there the new loony party . One trick pony? and no that(immigration) wasn’t his only argument he quite rightly saw the folly of signing up to every treaty with little understanding of the implications. Do you think if it had remained a common market we’d have left? Can’t you see the parallels between his actions (Blair) and those of Merkel,do you think his or hers have made this country or Europe a safer place? Do you think the really right wing that are now appearing in Europe would be happening if they’d not done what they did,do you think the once very liberal Scandinavian democracies would be acting how they are without the experience they’ve had of welcoming all and sundry? Europe is generally a safe place of course it is .And talk about the right wing party Europe there the new loony party like reform . Straight answer do you think 2 towers was result of American foreign policy against Muslims?
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Post by wapentake on May 29, 2024 1:11:23 GMT
One trick pony? and no that(immigration) wasn’t his only argument he quite rightly saw the folly of signing up to every treaty with little understanding of the implications. Do you think if it had remained a common market we’d have left? Can’t you see the parallels between his actions (Blair) and those of Merkel,do you think his or hers have made this country or Europe a safer place? Do you think the really right wing that are now appearing in Europe would be happening if they’d not done what they did,do you think the once very liberal Scandinavian democracies would be acting how they are without the experience they’ve had of welcoming all and sundry? Europe is generally a safe place of course it is .And talk about the right wing party Europe there the new loony party like reform . I didn’t ask you that,I asked you if they’d made it all safer and if you think they did then you’re blind to the truth. And you think reform loony? ever thought that successive administrations ignoring the electorate are the real danger and the loons,why would reform exist if they had and you do recognise the percentage of those bothering to vote falls year on year why is that do you imagine they’re all happy with Westminster? No the Two Towers was the result of the imagination of John Ronald Reuel Tolkien (sorry couldn’t resist) Straight answer George walker (spelt with an n) Bush found the perfect mate in Blair though it’s not all down to the US,we and others interfered too much,made promises to the Arabs we never had any intention of honouring then made the bigger mistake of trying to impose our values on them,the world might well be a much safer place if we hadn’t. Their culture and ours are a long way apart they need to be left to their own devices and many years to realise they are living in the stone age before they’ll change.
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Post by Totheleft on May 29, 2024 1:20:54 GMT
Europe is generally a safe place of course it is .And talk about the right wing party Europe there the new loony party like reform . I didn’t ask you that,I asked you if they’d made it all safer and if you think they did then you’re blind to the truth. And you think reform loony? ever thought that successive administrations ignoring the electorate are the real danger and the loons,why would reform exist if they had and you do recognise the percentage of those bothering to vote falls year on year why is that do you imagine they’re all happy with Westminster? No the Two Towers was the result of the imagination of John Ronald Reuel Tolkien (sorry couldn’t resist) Straight answer George walker (spelt with an n) Bush found the perfect mate in Blair though it’s not all down to the US,we and others interfered too much,made promises to the Arabs we never had any intention of honouring then made the bigger mistake of trying to impose our values on them,the world might well be a much safer place if we hadn’t. Their culture and ours are a long way apart they need to be left to their own devices and many years to realise they are living in the stone age before they’ll change. What on earth you on about of course you get crimnails in all sorts of society. But do certain immigrants make places less safter do they eck. Has a corbynite leftie you certainly hold right wing views on immigration. Your even holding farage in estimeem now. No wonder i once thought you was a Reform voter .
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Post by Totheleft on May 29, 2024 1:31:23 GMT
Oh my extreme right wing partes .
Have existed since the 30s at least I'n Britain. When there was little immigration .
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Post by Totheleft on May 29, 2024 1:36:33 GMT
Europe is generally a safe place of course it is .And talk about the right wing party Europe there the new loony party like reform . I didn’t ask you that,I asked you if they’d made it all safer and if you think they did then you’re blind to the truth. And you think reform loony? ever thought that successive administrations ignoring the electorate are the real danger and the loons,why would reform exist if they had and you do recognise the percentage of those bothering to vote falls year on year why is that do you imagine they’re all happy with Westminster? No the Two Towers was the result of the imagination of John Ronald Reuel Tolkien (sorry couldn’t resist) Straight answer George walker (spelt with an n) Bush found the perfect mate in Blair though it’s not all down to the US,we and others interfered too much,made promises to the Arabs we never had any intention of honouring then made the bigger mistake of trying to impose our values on them,the world might well be a much safer place if we hadn’t. Their culture and ours are a long way apart they need to be left to their own devices and many years to realise they are living in the stone age before they’ll change. Thanks for your straight answer you thought 2 towers was a result of Foreign policy against Muslim country's. Thanks for your Honesty
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Post by see2 on May 29, 2024 4:50:51 GMT
But it’s true and he’s not wrong that the two major parties lost any grip on immigration a long time ago,it’s also true that neither have any coherent policies to sort it linkPeople can shout Islamophobia and/or racism, but even Blair is now admitting his role in this increasing problem and extreme Islam but its not just that though his policy and illegal war brought all this down on this country,that and his abject surrender to the ideal of a political union has brought us to where we are today. People vilify Farage but for all that he never wrought the damage which was done by others,I don’t agree with him cosying up to Trump but it would be a mistake imo ignoring everything he says and those who call him extreme are clueless,if they continue to ignore what’s happening then they may well see real extremism. Neither party was responsible for the huge increase in asylum seekers. I neither love or hate Farage, I tend to ignore him as a rather big mouthed right-wing 'has been', not averse to insinuating lies during the Brexit debate. Blair was not guilty of illegal war. Holding strong opinions puts the onus on you to get your opinions right. An interesting read that appears to be objective comments by Hans Blix as he withdrew Inspectors just before the invasion of Iraq. press.un.org/en/2003/sc7777.doc.htm--"The long list of proscribed items unaccounted for had not been shortened by inspections or Iraqi declarations, explanations or documentation, he continued. It was up to Iraq to present items unaccounted for, or present evidence convincing the inspectors that the items did not exist. If that was not done, the international community could not have confidence that past programmes had been terminated. However, “an effective presence of international inspectors would serve as a deterrent against efforts aimed at reactivating or developing new programmes of weapons of mass destruction”, he said.
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Post by sheepy on May 29, 2024 7:04:44 GMT
But it’s true and he’s not wrong that the two major parties lost any grip on immigration a long time ago,it’s also true that neither have any coherent policies to sort it linkPeople can shout Islamophobia and/or racism, but even Blair is now admitting his role in this increasing problem and extreme Islam but its not just that though his policy and illegal war brought all this down on this country,that and his abject surrender to the ideal of a political union has brought us to where we are today. People vilify Farage but for all that he never wrought the damage which was done by others,I don’t agree with him cosying up to Trump but it would be a mistake imo ignoring everything he says and those who call him extreme are clueless,if they continue to ignore what’s happening then they may well see real extremism. Neither party was responsible for the huge increase in asylum seekers. I neither love or hate Farage, I tend to ignore him as a rather big mouthed right-wing 'has been', not averse to insinuating lies during the Brexit debate. Blair was not guilty of illegal war. Holding strong opinions puts the onus on you to get your opinions right. An interesting read that appears to be objective comments by Hans Blix as he withdrew Inspectors just before the invasion of Iraq. press.un.org/en/2003/sc7777.doc.htm--"The long list of proscribed items unaccounted for had not been shortened by inspections or Iraqi declarations, explanations or documentation, he continued. It was up to Iraq to present items unaccounted for, or present evidence convincing the inspectors that the items did not exist. If that was not done, the international community could not have confidence that past programmes had been terminated. However, “an effective presence of international inspectors would serve as a deterrent against efforts aimed at reactivating or developing new programmes of weapons of mass destruction”, he said. Interesting, so how do you explain, all the decisions in the house of ill repute taken and agreed by all of them? Even when it was clearly shown to them, that the British people were firmly against the decisions they were taking at said time. When they were all over the internet pointing out it was not a decision in any way for the greater good?
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Post by Pacifico on May 29, 2024 7:06:33 GMT
But it’s true and he’s not wrong that the two major parties lost any grip on immigration a long time ago,it’s also true that neither have any coherent policies to sort it linkPeople can shout Islamophobia and/or racism, but even Blair is now admitting his role in this increasing problem and extreme Islam but its not just that though his policy and illegal war brought all this down on this country,that and his abject surrender to the ideal of a political union has brought us to where we are today. People vilify Farage but for all that he never wrought the damage which was done by others,I don’t agree with him cosying up to Trump but it would be a mistake imo ignoring everything he says and those who call him extreme are clueless,if they continue to ignore what’s happening then they may well see real extremism. Farage is nothing special - there is a backlash against mass immigration across the developed world. At some point mainstream parties are going to start taking the views of the citizenry on board and bring in policies to restrict migration - well it's either that or unrest.
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Post by sandypine on May 29, 2024 9:26:50 GMT
One trick pony? and no that(immigration) wasn’t his only argument he quite rightly saw the folly of signing up to every treaty with little understanding of the implications. Do you think if it had remained a common market we’d have left? Can’t you see the parallels between his actions (Blair) and those of Merkel,do you think his or hers have made this country or Europe a safer place? Do you think the really right wing that are now appearing in Europe would be happening if they’d not done what they did,do you think the once very liberal Scandinavian democracies would be acting how they are without the experience they’ve had of welcoming all and sundry? Europe is generally a safe place of course it is .And talk about the right wing party Europe there the new loony party like reform . Straight answer do you think 2 towers was result of American foreign policy against Muslims? Against Muslims? Foreign policy supported some Muslim groups who were fighting against other Muslim groups. In Iraq US foreign policy supported Muslims trying to overthrow Saddam, in Afghanistan the Northern Alliance were an Islamic group which the US leant their support. So I do not understand where they were 'against Muslims'?
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Post by Totheleft on May 29, 2024 9:44:04 GMT
Europe is generally a safe place of course it is .And talk about the right wing party Europe there the new loony party like reform . Straight answer do you think 2 towers was result of American foreign policy against Muslims? Against Muslims? Foreign policy supported some Muslim groups who were fighting against other Muslim groups. In Iraq US foreign policy supported Muslims trying to overthrow Saddam, in Afghanistan the Northern Alliance were an Islamic group which the US leant their support. So I do not understand where they were 'against Muslims'? I'm asking if he thought 911 was a result of American foreign policy was a resul5 of American actions in Muslim country's
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Post by piglet on May 29, 2024 9:53:57 GMT
Farage is a true democrat in a world of dictators, he fights for truth and justice. The problem i have with him is his soft approach to Russia, id vote for him, no problem, how you can argue with almost all of what he says is beyond me, its because he offends the left.
And the left always supercedes common sense and replace it with dung.
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Post by Totheleft on May 29, 2024 9:58:52 GMT
Farage is a true democrat in a world of dictators, he fights for truth and justice. The problem i have with him is his soft approach to Russia, id vote for him, no problem, how you can argue with almost all of what he says is beyond me, its because he offends the left. And the left always supercedes common sense and replace it with dung. The 7 times failure seems to offend anyone with a Moral compass. Do you think your mother would of immigrated to Britain from Italy if Farage was leader of the Country .
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