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Post by happyjack on Sept 7, 2024 9:12:18 GMT
It seems to me that it is not just Scotland, but probably every part of the country, that is worse in every respect since the 2014 referendum. Scotland’s situation, however, is particularly acute because of the deep division created by the 2014 referendum and by the shameful failure, not only of Mr Salmond and his Alba Party, but of the SNP, the Scottish Greens, the SNP ScotGov, and the YES movement in general to respect the democratically expressed wishes of the Scottish people and to honour the “Once in a Generation / Once in a Lifetime / One Opportunity” rhetoric that it sold to the Scottish people during the referendum campaign. Instead, rather than seek to heal the divisions of the indyref and to bring Scottish society together, they have continued to promote the rejected indy cause, to create a continuous flow of fake anti-English grievances and poisonous anti-English sentiment, and to weaponise the instruments of devolution at every opportunity, the result of which is that Scotland’s politics have been dominated, to the near exclusion of everything else, by the toxic Indy issue.
As for “offering people a credible route to Scottish independence”, there is only one such route, which is to build a clear and sustained majority in favour of independence amongst the Scottish people. We are no closer to that now than we were in 2014 and are unlikely ever to get to that point unless and until the YES movement can produce a convincing and robust economic case for going it alone, something that it has glaringly, but not unsurprisingly, failed to provide thus far.
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Post by borchester on Sept 7, 2024 12:03:03 GMT
The reason Scotland has done so badly is that Moray and her loony boyfriend Jaydee have never offered the Scots anything other than low calorie hatred of the English.
Scotland is full of pushy buggers determined to make their pile. Unfortunately, the SNP have made that increasingly difficult in the homeland, which has resulted in a Scottish diaspora that will enrich everywhere except, sadly, Scotland
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Post by morayloon on Sept 13, 2024 23:42:36 GMT
It seems to me that it is not just Scotland, but probably every part of the country, that is worse in every respect since the 2014 referendum. Scotland’s situation, however, is particularly acute because of the deep division created by the 2014 referendum and by the shameful failure, not only of Mr Salmond and his Alba Party, but of the SNP, the Scottish Greens, the SNP ScotGov, and the YES movement in general to respect the democratically expressed wishes of the Scottish people and to honour the “Once in a Generation / Once in a Lifetime / One Opportunity” rhetoric that it sold to the Scottish people during the referendum campaign. Instead, rather than seek to heal the divisions of the indyref and to bring Scottish society together, they have continued to promote the rejected indy cause, to create a continuous flow of fake anti-English grievances and poisonous anti-English sentiment, and to weaponise the instruments of devolution at every opportunity, the result of which is that Scotland’s politics have been dominated, to the near exclusion of everything else, by the toxic Indy issue. You've been asked many times, to provide evidence of anti English sentiment from the SNP, from the YES movement, from me or any other Scottish poster, but have absolutely failed to do so. Maybe now you'll list some of the anti-Englishness you claim happens. You're hope that the movement will go away is never going to happen. Too many people believe that this country should be free of colonial rule. We will persevere. Given all your half baked witterings, I have to ask ...What planet are you on? Indeed, what are you on? |
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Post by happyjack on Sept 14, 2024 0:26:59 GMT
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Post by happyjack on Sept 14, 2024 0:40:20 GMT
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Post by morayloon on Sept 21, 2024 3:26:31 GMT
I have been asking you and others to point to anti-English sentiments emanating from the SNP. I note Kelly could come up with only one example, and he doesn't name the 'politician' thus rendering a fact check useless. The party's responses to Siol nan Gaidheal and Settler Watch show they stamp down on people, and groups that go too far. I also asked you to point out any occasion where I have posted anything anti English. You failed in that. Care to try again? Searching through Facebook & twitter to find the occasional anti English statement is taking things a bit far. I have never said that there aren't people in Scotland who make derogatory remarks. All that I have said is that you'll be hard pressed to find it coming from the SNP, or me.. |
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Post by happyjack on Sept 21, 2024 5:32:52 GMT
You are disingenuously trying to re-invent your original question here. Just so that we are clear, you actually asked me “ to provide evidence of anti English sentiment from the SNP, from the YES movement, from me [i.e. you] or any other Scottish poster.” In providing the link to Dr Kelly’s paper I have done that in glorious technicolour, even if that isn’t apparent from your shameful lily-livered response.
You can’t even acknowledge and call out any of these numerous examples of shocking anti-English racism for what they are. Instead you shamefully try to downplay these blatantly racist behaviours as nothing more than “people, and groups that go too far” and “derogatory remarks”. To be clear, this is nowhere close to going too far or derogatory: it is highly offensive racist behaviour and you expose yourself for what you are by not recognising and calling it out as such.
By saying, as you do above, that the SNP only stamps down on instances where anti-English behaviour goes too far is an acknowledgement by you that it tolerates or uses anti-English behaviour that it doesn’t think goes too far. Well, just for the record as neither you nor, apparently, the SNP seem to grasp this point but no anti-English behaviour is acceptable, none of it is not going too far, and all of it points to bigotry or racism.
As if not being able to call out and condemn the many examples of vile anti-English behaviour that I presented you with is not bad enough, you incredibly seem to reserve your strongest criticism, not for the behaviours highlighted or for those indulging in such behaviours, but for the messenger for “taking things a bit far” by “searching through Facebook & twitter to find the occasional anti English statement”. It’s as if you believe that these places should be safe havens for racist and bigots. There is nothing occasional about the anti-English bigotry to be found on social media and Dr Kelly was not capturing and reproducing anywhere close to all of the anti-English behaviour he will have identified out there, just some of the most blatantly racist examples. For every one of these shocking examples there will be 100 examples that are not quite so blatant and for every one of those not quite so shocking examples there will be another 100 slightly less shocking examples again and so on down through the scale. Social media, including contributions from you and others on this place, is every bit as valid a place to look for evidence of anti-English racism (or any other variety of racism, for that matter).
As I have explained in a recent post (and as you are demonstrating here) you are obviously so exposed to anti-English sentiment and attitudes being routinely displayed within the circles you are involved with that it has become completely normalised behaviour to you, the result being that you can’t recognise anti-English behaviour even when it is right in front of your eyes. I was going to qualify that by saying that you wouldn’t recognise anti-English behaviour apart from the most extreme stuff such as that captured in Dr Kelly’s paper but I am not so sure about that anymore given your response above.
BTW - You keep asking me to provide you with something I have already given you. I posted a list of anti-English behaviours and attitudes that you have displayed on here some time ago, following which I explained that your desire to see England’s football team defeated by everybody and anybody it comes up against could be added as further evidence of your anti-English bigotry in action. Obviously, none of those behaviours are as blatant as the examples in Dr Kelly’s paper but that does not mean that they are not anti-English nor mean that you are not guilty of displaying anti-English behaviour on here.
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Post by jaydee on Oct 10, 2024 11:34:38 GMT
The reason Scotland has done so badly is that Moray and her loony boyfriend Jaydee have never offered the Scots anything other than low calorie hatred of the English.
Scotland is full of pushy buggers determined to make their pile. Unfortunately, the SNP have made that increasingly difficult in the homeland, which has resulted in a Scottish diaspora that will enrich everywhere except, sadly, Scotland
The Jock haters are still breeding. Would you care to point out where Scotland has done so badly. Then point out this low calorie hatred Jock haters keep ranting about. |
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Post by Rebirth on Oct 10, 2024 12:06:45 GMT
Wonder who has been running Scotland for the past 10 years...  I guess you can't run a region on hating England and telling lies forever, but the population up there were certainly dumb enough to go along with it.
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Post by jaydee on Oct 10, 2024 12:13:48 GMT
To put your link in context. It is a load of utter shite. Lets get the ducks in order again. In England up to March 2024 there were nearly 150,000 hate crimes. In the same period there were 5,992. So when Dr Kelly rants about police numbers. I suggest he removes his head from his rectum. Now lets get the ducks in order and the vile hatred England shows towards scotland. Like some of the rants on here. This refers to Scots being portrayed as ‘subsidy junkies’, while Tony Blair apparently referred to ‘whingeing Jocks’ (Campbell Citation2010) and interviewer Jeremy Paxman was critical of what he called a ‘Scottish Raj’ in England (Aughey Citation2007). The former editor of the Sun newspaper, Kelvin MacKenzie, referred to Scotland pejoratively as ‘Jockistan’ (MacLeod Citation2015). McMillan (Citation2015) has analysed anti-Scottishness within England’s right-wing press and has unearthed numerous examples, ranging from disparaging remarks by Nigel Farage to openly insulting comments about ‘little sweaty jocks’ by the columnist Katie Hopkins. Such anti-Scottish racism was in evidence following the 2014 Scottish Independence referendum – most shockingly perhaps during a visit to a school in Somerset by Conservative MP James Heappey. When a Scottish schoolgirl told him she would have liked to have voted for Scottish independence, had she been able to, he told her to ‘fuck off back to Scotland’ (Wilford Citation2017). Post-Brexit, there has been some media coverage of anti-Scottish feelings (Frith Citation2016), while the findings of the Daily Telegraph poll which we refer to above suggest that many in England are actually indifferent to Scotland and the Union. It is, of course, important to stress that such inter-country antagonisms are not confined to England. Within Scotland, Anglophobia has also been a matter of concern (McIntosh, Sim, and Robertson Citation2004). The west of Scotland, with its large population of Irish heritage, has had a long history of anti-Catholic prejudice and sectarianism (Devine Citation2000) and McCollum, Nowok, and Tindal (Citation2014) noted the continued presence of both sectarianism and Anglophobia in Scotland. But it appears to us that, at present, the political rhetoric is different. Scottish politicians across all parties have emphasised the importance of immigration to Scotland and Scottish population growth, and First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has stated clearly that Anglophobia has no place within the country (Davidson Citation2019). Furthermore, there is significant evidence of migrants and minorities feeling welcome in Scotland both before and after Brexit (Pietka-Nykaza, Leith, and Clark Citation2020). In England, however, as we have shown above, recent hostility towards the devolved nations and their administrations has come from the topmost levels of government. Not to mention the likes of Clarkson. Who like Farage and many more show the despicable side of England. www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1070289X.2022.2064082#d1e363www.independent.co.uk/voices/scottish-jeremy-clarkson-media-bias-b2069768.html |
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Post by jaydee on Oct 10, 2024 12:18:54 GMT
Wonder who has been running Scotland for the past 10 years... I guess you can't run a region on hating England and telling lies forever, but the population up there were certainly dumb enough to go along with it.
And the population down there. Are clearly dumb enough to believe it. So could you give one example in comparison. . One will do. By the way everything the English said would happen to Scotland if it left the UK. Has happened while being part of the UK. In that respect Salmond is correct. As the scottish economy fuels bankrupt England. |
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Post by jaydee on Oct 10, 2024 15:22:38 GMT
You have just summed up why Scotland is broke and needs vast subsidies from England to keep going. Who would pay for all that lot if you were independent? And still you whinge. Mr Stupid at his stupid best. Would you like to point to those vast subsidies from bankrupt racist England as the English government cuts the fuel allowance from pensioners. Scotland is the only UK nation to have exported more goods internationally than it has imported every year since records began. In terms of exports per head, Scotland out performs the UK: Scotland exports £17,455 per head per year, while England exports £8,626 per head per year. Scotland is an exporting powerhouse, Whose success has had nothing to do with being part of the UK, but whose future has been jeopardised due to the UK leading taking Scotland out of the European Union. Now the question you must ask yourself Mr stupid. When Scotland does go its merry way. Bankrupt England will to borrow some £100 billion a year more than it does now. And that just to stand still. Scotland has one of the biggest life sciences clusters in Europe with world-leading expertise in drug discovery, medical technologies and agri-tech. Almost 20% of all UK jobs in the space sector are based in Scotland. Scotland currently produces more small satellites than any other country in Europe. Another strong area is gaming, centred on the Dundee video games cluster. These sectors are all international - they will benefit from Scotland rejoining the EU and the return of free movement. Scotland’s renewable energy potential is vast. In 2021, Scotland generated enough renewable electricity to power all households in Scotland for three years, and exported electricity with an estimated wholesale market value of £2.4 billion. And in the coming decades the potential to create and export energy from onshore, and offshore wind, hydrogen, carbon capture, solar, pumped hydro is enormous. Currently, the UK government and the privatised National Grid decide how energy is regulated, paid for and taxed. An independent Scotland could ensure the long-term affordability of electricity, as its offshore and onshore wind farms provide electricity at a lower cost than nuclear or gas power plants, which the UK relies on. So Mr Stupid. Could you tell me where bankrupt England who cannot live within it means gets all this magic money to give to Scotland. The Scots Gov has underspent every year. . In 2023 Scotland transferred 13.27 trillion watt hours of electricity to England ...or around $1billion USD a day.. and paid for the privilege, You have had this info many times.Yet you still post clueless Jock hating shite. You still getting your data from the sexual offender in the Nottingham nick. talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2024/01/03/scotlands-electricity-transfers-to-england-are-worth-365-billion-per-year/#:~:text=Scotland%20is%20currently%20transferring%201.69,that%20in%20the%20whole%20UK. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 10, 2024 15:32:59 GMT
You have just summed up why Scotland is broke and needs vast subsidies from England to keep going. Who would pay for all that lot if you were independent? And still you whinge. Mr Stupid at his stupid best. Would you like to point to those vast subsidies from bankrupt racist England as the English government cuts the fuel allowance from pensioners. Scotland is the only UK nation to have exported more goods internationally than it has imported every year since records began. In terms of exports per head, Scotland out performs the UK: Scotland exports £17,455 per head per year, while England exports £8,626 per head per year. Scotland is an exporting powerhouse, Whose success has had nothing to do with being part of the UK, but whose future has been jeopardised due to the UK leading taking Scotland out of the European Union. Now the question you must ask yourself Mr stupid. When Scotland does go its merry way. Bankrupt England will to borrow some £100 billion a year more than it does now. And that just to stand still. Scotland has one of the biggest life sciences clusters in Europe with world-leading expertise in drug discovery, medical technologies and agri-tech. Almost 20% of all UK jobs in the space sector are based in Scotland. Scotland currently produces more small satellites than any other country in Europe. Another strong area is gaming, centred on the Dundee video games cluster. These sectors are all international - they will benefit from Scotland rejoining the EU and the return of free movement. Scotland’s renewable energy potential is vast. In 2021, Scotland generated enough renewable electricity to power all households in Scotland for three years, and exported electricity with an estimated wholesale market value of £2.4 billion. And in the coming decades the potential to create and export energy from onshore, and offshore wind, hydrogen, carbon capture, solar, pumped hydro is enormous. Currently, the UK government and the privatised National Grid decide how energy is regulated, paid for and taxed. An independent Scotland could ensure the long-term affordability of electricity, as its offshore and onshore wind farms provide electricity at a lower cost than nuclear or gas power plants, which the UK relies on. So Mr Stupid. Could you tell me where bankrupt England who cannot live within it means gets all this magic money to give to Scotland. The Scots Gov has underspent every year. . In 2023 Scotland transferred 13.27 trillion watt hours of electricity to England ... and paid for the privilege, You have had this info many times.Yet you still post clueless Jock hating shite. You still getting your data from the sexual offender in the Nottingham nick good to see you back Jaydee. As you can see its business as usual in la la land. |
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Post by Rebirth on Oct 10, 2024 15:49:20 GMT
Lying illinformed victim trolls the best you can get?
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Post by jaydee on Oct 10, 2024 16:00:49 GMT
Mr Stupid at his stupid best. Would you like to point to those vast subsidies from bankrupt racist England as the English government cuts the fuel allowance from pensioners. Scotland is the only UK nation to have exported more goods internationally than it has imported every year since records began. In terms of exports per head, Scotland out performs the UK: Scotland exports £17,455 per head per year, while England exports £8,626 per head per year. Scotland is an exporting powerhouse, Whose success has had nothing to do with being part of the UK, but whose future has been jeopardised due to the UK leading taking Scotland out of the European Union. Now the question you must ask yourself Mr stupid. When Scotland does go its merry way. Bankrupt England will to borrow some £100 billion a year more than it does now. And that just to stand still. Scotland has one of the biggest life sciences clusters in Europe with world-leading expertise in drug discovery, medical technologies and agri-tech. Almost 20% of all UK jobs in the space sector are based in Scotland. Scotland currently produces more small satellites than any other country in Europe. Another strong area is gaming, centred on the Dundee video games cluster. These sectors are all international - they will benefit from Scotland rejoining the EU and the return of free movement. Scotland’s renewable energy potential is vast. In 2021, Scotland generated enough renewable electricity to power all households in Scotland for three years, and exported electricity with an estimated wholesale market value of £2.4 billion. And in the coming decades the potential to create and export energy from onshore, and offshore wind, hydrogen, carbon capture, solar, pumped hydro is enormous. Currently, the UK government and the privatised National Grid decide how energy is regulated, paid for and taxed. An independent Scotland could ensure the long-term affordability of electricity, as its offshore and onshore wind farms provide electricity at a lower cost than nuclear or gas power plants, which the UK relies on. So Mr Stupid. Could you tell me where bankrupt England who cannot live within it means gets all this magic money to give to Scotland. The Scots Gov has underspent every year. . In 2023 Scotland transferred 13.27 trillion watt hours of electricity to England ... and paid for the privilege, You have had this info many times.Yet you still post clueless Jock hating shite. You still getting your data from the sexual offender in the Nottingham nick good to see you back Jaydee. As you can see its business as usual in la la land. Indeed. Still dealing with a load of Jock hating clowns. All statement makers. Simple as that. Not one can give a figure. Or have an ability to debate. Or correct any given. As the self deluded ego is dented. They just reply with the same idiotic nonsensical drivel. The proof is here. Mr stupid has had this info, with related figures since the old forum. As I have said a million times. If you are a Englishman. You are in no position to pontificate to anybody anywhere in the world about hate,racism, debt,crime, borrowing or lying |
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