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Post by thomas on May 24, 2024 11:28:16 GMT
sturgeon thought that also that she could railroad through an unpopular policy opposed by two thirds of Scots , and look what happened. The cost of living is of course a massive issue , but the idea this is going to kill the tories and promote labour is wishful thinking. labour list is pointing out voters dont know what labours plans to tackle the cost of living is , so how can you expect people to vote for you? with of course the majority unable to name a single labour policy. so is labour. How have the Tories done electorally in Scotland lately? they haven't won an election since 1955 . It between labour and snp in scotland as im sure you are aware , so no one cares how the tories are doing in scotland . the idea people are going to vote labour into power while ignoring gender reform , and Brexit in name only ,Scottish indy and all the other starmer achillies heels is of course laughable. Screaming tory bad to the Scottish and English while the elephants sit quietly in the background isnt going to provide labour with power. I dont see politics going back to what it once was , or labour in any way shape or form dealing with , or attempting to deal with the major problems that is plaguing the entire uk . Labour are a large part of peoples problems rather than the solution. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 24, 2024 11:31:59 GMT
This is why the Tories have lost support - and it is not because people think that Labour will be any better. Gentleman - I give you an ex 'Tory' Minister. With left-wing people like this infesting the party it's no wonder that their core support is staying home. 'serious people of integrity and ability' - is he really talking about Angela Raynor, Ed Miliband and David Lammy?  |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 24, 2024 11:35:05 GMT
I've never once heard Keir Starmer mention a cogent plan for dealing with any of that. Well to be fair he wasn't going to show his hand before an election was called, now we'll see what he and his party are made of. I would say however that as it stands Starmer and labour may or may not be able to fix these issues but the Tories have shown they definitely can't. I'll take a slim hope over no hope every time. So we're back to this:
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Post by happyhornet on May 24, 2024 11:35:08 GMT
How have the Tories done electorally in Scotland lately? they haven't won an election since 1955 . It between labour and snp in scotland as im sure you are aware , so no one cares how the tories are doing in scotland . the idea people are going to vote labour into power while ignoring gender reform , and Brexit in name only ,Scottish indy and all the other starmer achillies heels is of course laughable. Screaming tory bad to the Scottish and English while the elephants sit quietly in the background isnt going to provide labour with power. I dont see politics going back to what it once was , or labour in any way shape or form dealing with , or attempting to deal with the major problems that is plaguing the entire uk . Labour are a large part of peoples problems rather than the solution. So focusing on culture war issues hasn't enabled the Tories to make any electoral inroads? |
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Post by see2 on May 24, 2024 11:35:41 GMT
Starmer has agreed to two meetings, that he will not be controlled by silly Tory propaganda is his decision. Shows strength on his part, now he can have more time to win more votes in person. It won't surprise me if the UK electorate decide to cut their own political throats again, and vote for more years of failure under the Tories. They have done it time and time again before to day, and look where it has got us LOL. One thing is certain if the Tories win, they won't be able to blame their failures on the EU this time. You say refusing to appear in several live TV debates shows strength on Starmers part, but we both know you don't mean that. Hey I understand why you're saying it, but we both know it's bullshit. And besides, in refusing to take part in several debates Starmer has handed Sunak the initiative. From now until July 4th Sunak wont miss an opportunity to remind voters that Starmer is frightened to debate with him. Personally, I don't think six live TV debates, one a week for six weeks, was a good idea. People would have got bored with it. And here's a thought, I don't think the Tories were serious about it in the first place, I think the only reason they suggested six live TV debates is because they knew perfectly well Starmer would refuse and in doing so hand Sunak a bat to bash Starmer with. If that was the plan, it's worked like a charm. Why the fuck would any sensible opposition give daily space to Sunak's lies and insinuations? Have you listened to him on TV? Its as though he wants people to believe that he has already fixed everything LOL. Two meetings should be enough to sort Sunak out. Oh how I wish there was a way of punishing political lies, insinuations and exaggerated political distortions, with seriously high financial fines. Not possible I know, but oh so deserved. I have yet to be convinced that Labour will win the election, because I am fully aware the strength of Tory propaganda and the gullibility of the electorate, It kept Thatcher in office for 11 years and destroyed NL in 2010, that says it all for me. The one glimmer of light I see is that many people will remember the positives from NL which just might nudge them to give this Centre-Left party their vote. |
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Post by happyhornet on May 24, 2024 11:37:58 GMT
Well to be fair he wasn't going to show his hand before an election was called, now we'll see what he and his party are made of. I would say however that as it stands Starmer and labour may or may not be able to fix these issues but the Tories have shown they definitely can't. I'll take a slim hope over no hope every time. So we're back to this:
I like what he's said about his 6 priorities which chime pretty closely with my own. I would need to see him put more meat on the bones however which I would assume is going to happen over the next 6 weeks. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 24, 2024 11:47:37 GMT
Why the fuck would any sensible opposition give daily space to Sunak's lies and insinuations? Have you listened to him on TV? Its as though he wants people to believe that he has already fixed everything LOL. Two meetings should be enough to sort Sunak out. Oh how I wish there was a way of punishing political lies, insinuations and exaggerated political distortions, with seriously high financial fines. Not possible I know, but oh so deserved. I have yet to be convinced that Labour will win the election, because I am fully aware the strength of Tory propaganda and the gullibility of the electorate, It kept Thatcher in office for 11 years and destroyed NL in 2010, that says it all for me. The one glimmer of light I see is that many people will remember the positives from NL which just might nudge them to give this Centre-Left party their vote. Lol, yes indeed, and if the boot were on the other foot you would be accusing Sunak of running away from debating with Starmer. Such is life. You can criticise Sunak all you like, indeed I do, but the bottom line is and for better or worse, we know what Sunaks policies are. But we do not know what Starmers policies are. I've just listened to economics guru Liam Halligan who said he has tried to work out what Labours energy policy is, and he cant. He said even with his economic expertise, he cannot work out what Labours energy policy is. And it's the same across the board, every day we hear someone saying 'what are Labours policies'? Labour policy seems to be... just trust us, we'll tell you what our policies are once we're in power. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 24, 2024 11:59:49 GMT
...But we do not know what Starmers policies are... And neither does he, I suspect. ...Labour policy seems to be... just trust us, we'll tell you what our policies are once we're in power. Translation: We'll make something up according to our perception of public opinion at the time. Given Starmer's characteristic vacillation, I think that's a reasonable assumption. |
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Post by happyhornet on May 24, 2024 12:07:14 GMT
Why the fuck would any sensible opposition give daily space to Sunak's lies and insinuations? Have you listened to him on TV? Its as though he wants people to believe that he has already fixed everything LOL. Two meetings should be enough to sort Sunak out. Oh how I wish there was a way of punishing political lies, insinuations and exaggerated political distortions, with seriously high financial fines. Not possible I know, but oh so deserved. I have yet to be convinced that Labour will win the election, because I am fully aware the strength of Tory propaganda and the gullibility of the electorate, It kept Thatcher in office for 11 years and destroyed NL in 2010, that says it all for me. The one glimmer of light I see is that many people will remember the positives from NL which just might nudge them to give this Centre-Left party their vote. Lol, yes indeed, and if the boot were on the other foot you would be accusing Sunak of running away from debating with Starmer. Such is life. You can criticise Sunak all you like, indeed I do, but the bottom line is and for better or worse, we know what Sunaks policies are. But we do not know what Starmers policies are. I've just listened to economics guru Liam Halligan who said he has tried to work out what Labours energy policy is, and he cant. He said even with his economic expertise, he cannot work out what Labours energy policy is. And it's the same across the board, every day we hear someone saying 'what are Labours policies'? Labour policy seems to be... just trust us, we'll tell you what our policies are once we're in power. Do we know what Sunak's policies are? The only one that springs to mind lately is Rwanda which has cost hundreds of millions of our money and hasn't worked. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 24, 2024 12:12:54 GMT
Lol, yes indeed, and if the boot were on the other foot you would be accusing Sunak of running away from debating with Starmer. Such is life. You can criticise Sunak all you like, indeed I do, but the bottom line is and for better or worse, we know what Sunaks policies are. But we do not know what Starmers policies are. I've just listened to economics guru Liam Halligan who said he has tried to work out what Labours energy policy is, and he cant. He said even with his economic expertise, he cannot work out what Labours energy policy is. And it's the same across the board, every day we hear someone saying 'what are Labours policies'? Labour policy seems to be... just trust us, we'll tell you what our policies are once we're in power. Do we know what Sunak's policies are? The only one that springs to mind lately is Rwanda which has cost hundreds of millions of our money and hasn't worked. BS. It hasn't started yet and it's already working with illegals moving to Ireland so as not to be removed.
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Post by Bentley on May 24, 2024 12:13:13 GMT
Lol, yes indeed, and if the boot were on the other foot you would be accusing Sunak of running away from debating with Starmer. Such is life. You can criticise Sunak all you like, indeed I do, but the bottom line is and for better or worse, we know what Sunaks policies are. But we do not know what Starmers policies are. I've just listened to economics guru Liam Halligan who said he has tried to work out what Labours energy policy is, and he cant. He said even with his economic expertise, he cannot work out what Labours energy policy is. And it's the same across the board, every day we hear someone saying 'what are Labours policies'? Labour policy seems to be... just trust us, we'll tell you what our policies are once we're in power. Do we know what Sunak's policies are? The only one that springs to mind lately is Rwanda which has cost hundreds of millions of our money and hasn't worked. Hasnt it ? Ask Ireland. Once the flights start ( if they start ) I suspect that it will change everything . As for the rest , it’s pretty much more of what we had. |
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Post by jonksy on May 24, 2024 12:16:09 GMT
The twat cannot even define a woman. No wonder he doesn't want to appear on tv.. And this my friend is why you're going to lose, obsessing about fringe culture war issues instead of the things that actually matter to and impact the lives of the electorate. FFS hh if the arsehole CANNOT even define a woman what fucking use is he to the UK? |
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Post by borchester on May 24, 2024 12:16:19 GMT
It would just be another slag among many others.
Labour will win because both Sunak and Starmer are dreary bastards and after a year and a half of the former, the public will vote in the latter by way of a change
im not so sure borkie. Labours CTV levels in polls are exactly the same (mid may polls ) as their CTV levels in 2019 under Corby. Starmer isnt winning over new voters to the cause , the polls are showing an overblown labour lead due to low turnout of other parties voters. Everyone is pissed off with the establishment more of the same parties , and are merely biding their time and hedging their bets on how best to tactically vote come next election is my guess. That may well be the case in Scotland Tommy, where folk take politics more seriously, but here in the whimsical south, I suspect that much of Torydom will, like me, sit this election out and allow Sir Stodge to win by default |
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Post by happyhornet on May 24, 2024 12:18:55 GMT
Do we know what Sunak's policies are? The only one that springs to mind lately is Rwanda which has cost hundreds of millions of our money and hasn't worked. Hasnt it ? Ask Ireland. Once the flights start ( if they start ) I suspect that it will change everything . As for the rest , it’s pretty much more of what we had. The flights haven't started and won't unless Sunak wins and even then I wouldn't bet on it, would you? "As for the rest , it’s pretty much more of what we had" So more of the status quo? Good luck selling that one. |
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Post by happyhornet on May 24, 2024 12:20:52 GMT
And this my friend is why you're going to lose, obsessing about fringe culture war issues instead of the things that actually matter to and impact the lives of the electorate. FFS hh if the arsehole CANNOT even define a woman what fucking use is he to the UK? Perhaps by focusing on the economy, NHS, Education, law and order instead of petty culture war issues? |
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