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Post by Fairsociety on May 24, 2024 10:57:42 GMT
Yes, but he hasn't told us how he's going to do it? The twat cannot even define a woman. No wonder he doesn't want to appear on tv.. LOL... |
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Post by see2 on May 24, 2024 11:00:00 GMT
GB News invited Sunak and Starmer to take part in a live TV leaders debate, Sunak readily agreed. Much to the relief of all at Labour HQ, Starmer said no. Starmer has agreed to two meetings, that he will not be controlled by silly Tory propaganda is his decision. Shows strength on his part, now he can have more time to win more votes in person. It won't surprise me if the UK electorate decide to cut their own political throats again, and vote for more years of failure under the Tories. They have done it time and time again before to day, and look where it has got us LOL. One thing is certain if the Tories win, they won't be able to blame their failures on the EU this time. |
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Post by happyhornet on May 24, 2024 11:03:39 GMT
GB News invited Sunak and Starmer to take part in a live TV leaders debate, Sunak readily agreed. Much to the relief of all at Labour HQ, Starmer said no. Starmer has agreed to two meetings, that he will not be controlled by silly Tory propaganda is his decision. Shows strength on his part, now he can have more time to win more votes in person. It won't surprise me if the UK electorate decide to cut their own political throats again, and vote for more years of failure under the Tories. They have done it time and time again before to day, and look where it has got us LOL. One thing is certain if the Tories win, they won't be able to blame their failures on the EU this time. I think two debates is about right, 6 would be overkill and with prep work they'd have little time for anything else. I doubt Starmer is running scared from the gaffe magnet that is Sunak. |
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Post by witchfinder on May 24, 2024 11:03:58 GMT
(people should never read too much into one poll)
HOWEVER - This latest poll suggests that the gap is actually widening
I have never seen any opinion poll with the Tories on less than 20%
LAB: 45% (+1)
CON: 19% (-2)
REF: 14% (+2)
LDEM: 12% (-)
GRN: 5% (-1) Published 23rd May by TechneUK
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and this projection by "Election Maps UK"
LAB: 460 (+260) - 44.6%
CON: 110 (-262) - 24.0%
LDM: 44 (+36) - 9.9%
SNP: 12 (-36) - 2.7%
PLC: 4 (+2) - 0.6%
GRN: 1 (-) - 6.4%
RFM: 0 (-) - 11.2%
Oth: 1 (-) - 0.5%
LAB Maj of 270.
Changes w/ GE2019 notionals.
MY personal opinion is that - IF - all these polls are somewhere close to been correct, the Right of the Tory Party will win any potential leadership contest after the election, which in reality will be further bad news for the Tories, because a lot of traditional Tory voters in Conservative heartlands will switch to Lib Dem, and perhaps even Labour.
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Post by see2 on May 24, 2024 11:06:41 GMT
That's a pretty good indication of the high levels of crap thrown by various anti-Labour propaganda machines (newspapers etc.). And sucked up by the more easily led. And enjoyed by the bigoted and the biased. But who cares, if we just get another crappy Conservative government it will just be more of the same old crap we are quite used to  so when opinion polls show labour lead , all good , when opinion polls show starmer is universally disliked and distrusted , its all anti labour propaganda?  Im not easily led , have one of the more radical opinions on this forum way apart from the mainstream establishment , and dont read newspapers or watch mainstream news. I find starmer equally repulsive though . With supporters like you see 2 how can labour ever possibly win an election ? "you are not easily led, yet you are full of anti-Labour comment. Your posts now and in the past prove that you are a totally subjective non-open minded individual. I knew you wouldn't be able to see the reality, you've proved that with your incessant and totally misguided attacks on New Labour in the past. You are not capable of reasoned debate, your opinions are already fixed with super glue. |
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Post by thomas on May 24, 2024 11:07:02 GMT
No. The Tories are going to lose because most of their voters will probably abstain.
I predict that Starmer will win with a record low turnout and we'll end up with a government elected by about one in five of the electorate.
Be it family and friends, people at work, other parents on the school run, I hear a lot of talk about the cost of living, bills and the cost of the weekly shop going up, worries about job security, young adult family members not being able to get work or a foot on the property ladder. I've never once heard anyone mention Keir Starmer's definition of a woman. The Tories are woefully out of touch. sturgeon thought that also that she could railroad through an unpopular policy opposed by two thirds of Scots , and look what happened. The cost of living is of course a massive issue , but the idea this is going to kill the tories and promote labour is wishful thinking. labour list is pointing out voters dont know what labours plans to tackle the cost of living is , so how can you expect people to vote for you? with of course the majority unable to name a single labour policy. so is labour. |
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Post by see2 on May 24, 2024 11:07:49 GMT
The twat cannot even define a woman. No wonder he doesn't want to appear on tv.. LOL... Just more proof of the weak minded who prefer denigration to debate. |
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Post by happyhornet on May 24, 2024 11:09:02 GMT
(people should never read too much into one poll) HOWEVER - This latest poll suggests that the gap is actually widening I have never seen any opinion poll with the Tories on less than 20% LAB: 45% (+1) CON: 19% (-2) REF: 14% (+2) LDEM: 12% (-) GRN: 5% (-1) Published 23rd May by TechneUK ---------------------------------------------------------------- and this projection by "Election Maps UK" LAB: 460 (+260) - 44.6% CON: 110 (-262) - 24.0% LDM: 44 (+36) - 9.9% SNP: 12 (-36) - 2.7% PLC: 4 (+2) - 0.6% GRN: 1 (-) - 6.4% RFM: 0 (-) - 11.2% Oth: 1 (-) - 0.5% LAB Maj of 270. Changes w/ GE2019 notionals. MY personal opinion is that - IF - all these polls are somewhere close to been correct, the Right of the Tory Party will win any potential leadership contest after the election, which in reality will be further bad news for the Tories, because a lot of traditional Tory voters in Conservative heartlands will switch to Lib Dem, and perhaps even Labour. In the event of a heavy defeat I can see the Tories being daft enough to lurch towards a more extreme version of the politics that has just been comprehensively rejected by the electorate, they could be in the wilderness for quite a while which is bad news for us all, a healthy democracy needs an effective and credible opposition. |
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Post by thomas on May 24, 2024 11:10:31 GMT
(people should never read too much into one poll) HOWEVER - This latest poll suggests that the gap is actually widening I have never seen any opinion poll with the Tories on less than 20% LAB: 45% (+1) CON: 19% (-2) REF: 14% (+2) LDEM: 12% (-) GRN: 5% (-1) Published 23rd May by TechneUK ---------------------------------------------------------------- and this projection by "Election Maps UK" LAB: 460 (+260) - 44.6% CON: 110 (-262) - 24.0% LDM: 44 (+36) - 9.9% SNP: 12 (-36) - 2.7% PLC: 4 (+2) - 0.6% GRN: 1 (-) - 6.4% RFM: 0 (-) - 11.2% Oth: 1 (-) - 0.5% LAB Maj of 270. Changes w/ GE2019 notionals. MY personal opinion is that - IF - all these polls are somewhere close to been correct, the Right of the Tory Party will win any potential leadership contest after the election, which in reality will be further bad news for the Tories, because a lot of traditional Tory voters in Conservative heartlands will switch to Lib Dem, and perhaps even Labour. you need to re read what is being said about polls witch finder. No one is denying the polls are showing a massive labour lead. What is being pointed out is this is based on historic lows of around 50 % certain to vote. If the vote goes out for other parties , and the CTV rises , then labours lead drops dramatically , which even kinnock was urging caution over. Milliband had similar high leads did he not , and spectacularly lost. |
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Post by thomas on May 24, 2024 11:11:35 GMT
so when opinion polls show labour lead , all good , when opinion polls show starmer is universally disliked and distrusted , its all anti labour propaganda? Im not easily led , have one of the more radical opinions on this forum way apart from the mainstream establishment , and dont read newspapers or watch mainstream news. I find starmer equally repulsive though . With supporters like you see 2 how can labour ever possibly win an election ? "you are not easily led, yet you are full of anti-Labour comment. Your posts now and in the past prove that you are a totally subjective non-open minded individual. I knew you wouldn't be able to see the reality, you've proved that with your incessant and totally misguided attacks on New Labour in the past. You are not capable of reasoned debate, your opinions are already fixed with super glue. im anti labour , you are pro , that's the point of debating forums. You appear to want an echo chamber in support of your heroes. |
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Post by happyhornet on May 24, 2024 11:11:37 GMT
Be it family and friends, people at work, other parents on the school run, I hear a lot of talk about the cost of living, bills and the cost of the weekly shop going up, worries about job security, young adult family members not being able to get work or a foot on the property ladder. I've never once heard anyone mention Keir Starmer's definition of a woman. The Tories are woefully out of touch. sturgeon thought that also that she could railroad through an unpopular policy opposed by two thirds of Scots , and look what happened. The cost of living is of course a massive issue , but the idea this is going to kill the tories and promote labour is wishful thinking. labour list is pointing out voters dont know what labours plans to tackle the cost of living is , so how can you expect people to vote for you? with of course the majority unable to name a single labour policy. so is labour. How have the Tories done electorally in Scotland lately? |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 24, 2024 11:12:00 GMT
GB News invited Sunak and Starmer to take part in a live TV leaders debate, Sunak readily agreed. Much to the relief of all at Labour HQ, Starmer said no. Starmer has agreed to two meetings, that he will not be controlled by silly Tory propaganda is his decision. Shows strength on his part, now he can have more time to win more votes in person. It won't surprise me if the UK electorate decide to cut their own political throats again, and vote for more years of failure under the Tories. They have done it time and time again before to day, and look where it has got us LOL. One thing is certain if the Tories win, they won't be able to blame their failures on the EU this time. You say refusing to appear in several live TV debates shows strength on Starmers part, but we both know you don't mean that. Hey I understand why you're saying it, but we both know it's bullshit. And besides, in refusing to take part in several debates Starmer has handed Sunak the initiative. From now until July 4th Sunak wont miss an opportunity to remind voters that Starmer is frightened to debate with him. Personally, I don't think six live TV debates, one a week for six weeks, was a good idea. People would have got bored with it. And here's a thought, I don't think the Tories were serious about it in the first place, I think the only reason they suggested six live TV debates is because they knew perfectly well Starmer would refuse and in doing so hand Sunak a bat to bash Starmer with. If that was the plan, it's worked like a charm. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 24, 2024 11:12:10 GMT
I hear a lot of talk about the cost of living, bills and the cost of the weekly shop going up, worries about job security, young adult family members not being able to get work or a foot on the property ladder... I've never once heard Keir Starmer mention a cogent plan for dealing with any of that. |
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Post by happyhornet on May 24, 2024 11:26:04 GMT
I hear a lot of talk about the cost of living, bills and the cost of the weekly shop going up, worries about job security, young adult family members not being able to get work or a foot on the property ladder... I've never once heard Keir Starmer mention a cogent plan for dealing with any of that. Well to be fair he wasn't going to show his hand before an election was called, now we'll see what he and his party are made of. I would say however that as it stands Starmer and labour may or may not be able to fix these issues but the Tories have shown they definitely can't. I'll take a slim hope over no hope every time. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 24, 2024 11:26:34 GMT
I hear a lot of talk about the cost of living, bills and the cost of the weekly shop going up, worries about job security, young adult family members not being able to get work or a foot on the property ladder... I've never once heard Keir Starmer mention a cogent plan for dealing with any of that. Precisely. It seems to be the eternal question; what are Starmers policies'? But I think there is one policy we can decode... 'Smash the gangs' = accept EU migrant quotas and an illegal migrant amnesty. |
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Im not easily led , have one of the more radical opinions on this forum way apart from the mainstream establishment , and dont read newspapers or watch mainstream news. I find starmer equally repulsive though .
