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Post by see2 on Jun 22, 2024 10:12:04 GMT
Yet New Labour would almost certainly have won the 2010 election but for the International Financial Meltdown. Well yes, a crisis exposes your weakness (ie failing to regulate the financial markets properly), and it also allows your opponents to push bullshit narratives (ie Labour caused the financial crisis). Anybody can look good during the good times. If it wasn't for COVID Boris and Trump would still be in power because they were both streets ahead in the polls. Financial markets move too fast to be easily regulated, and I'm not too sure there is anything that will eliminate or regulate dishonesty. Your second point exposes the weakness in democracy. Boris turned out to be a Joker who would be quite good company at a party, and Trump is psychologically troubled liar who actually tried to remain in power after losing an election. |
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Post by vlk on Jun 23, 2024 18:38:36 GMT
Just bring it on! Let's have Labour getting over 500 seats. Then we will have a paradise.
Or at least give them a try.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 23, 2024 21:14:28 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 23, 2024 22:02:20 GMT
Oh look - another 'One Nation' faux Conservative who feels more at home in a left-wing party..(to the absolute surprise of nobody)  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 23, 2024 22:23:52 GMT
Rory Stewart a Conservative, LOL. He was never a Conservative, he represents modern centrist conservatives who, if the polls are to believed, have pretty much killed the party. When the Tories rise from the ashes of this election as they inevitably will, they will come back as a proper centre right Conservative party there will be no room for left wing saps like Rory Stewart.
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Post by dodgydave on Jun 23, 2024 22:48:18 GMT
Well yes, a crisis exposes your weakness (ie failing to regulate the financial markets properly), and it also allows your opponents to push bullshit narratives (ie Labour caused the financial crisis). Anybody can look good during the good times. If it wasn't for COVID Boris and Trump would still be in power because they were both streets ahead in the polls. Financial markets move too fast to be easily regulated, and I'm not too sure there is anything that will eliminate or regulate dishonesty. Your second point exposes the weakness in democracy. Boris turned out to be a Joker who would be quite good company at a party, and Trump is psychologically troubled liar who actually tried to remain in power after losing an election. Yup Boris lies his way out of trouble, but that alone wouldn't have brought him down, because let's face many politicians lie to get out of tricky spots or to try to gain an advantage. His lies + Covid lockdowns + inflation brought him down. The same with Trump. America was doing good under Trump but his many flaws were magnified by Covid. Seriously, you are still talking this rubbish about regulation. I literally linked you Labour leaders apologising for failing to regulate properly. Everybody involved said they got it wrong, the enquiries said they got it wrong. I've linked you the graph showing how Labour allowed consumer debt to explode. Have you got some secret information that shows the growth under New Labour was built on manufacturing and not retail / financial services? Retail and services that were built on massive increase irresponsible consumer debt? Even Rachel Reeves (who is going to be the next Chancellor) disagrees with you. You don't seem to get it. We were doing the exact same things that kicked it off in America. If it hadn't started in America it could easily have started in the UK instead. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 23, 2024 23:11:17 GMT
Yup Boris lies his way out of trouble, but that alone wouldn't have brought him down, because let's face many politicians lie to get out of tricky spots or to try to gain an advantage. His lies + Covid lockdowns + inflation brought him down. The same with Trump. America was doing good under Trump but his many flaws were magnified by Covid. Seriously, you are still talking this rubbish about regulation. I literally linked you Labour leaders apologising for failing to regulate properly. Everybody involved said they got it wrong, the enquiries said they got it wrong. I've linked you the graph showing how Labour allowed consumer debt to explode. Have you got some secret information that shows the growth under New Labour was built on manufacturing and not retail / financial services? Retail and services that were built on massive increase irresponsible consumer debt? Even Rachel Reeves (who is going to be the next Chancellor) disagrees with you. You don't seem to get it. We were doing the exact same things that kicked it off in America. If it hadn't started in America it could easily have started in the UK instead. Dont talk bloody rubbish. I'm no fan of Boris he was far too pro EU for me, but to say one of his downfalls was covid lockdowns, when Starmer was criticising him for not enforcing a longer and far more stringent lockdown may suggest you're not exactly unbiased. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 24, 2024 3:06:18 GMT
Oh look, identity politics and Culture Wars will continue with Labour willing to ditch guidelines banning the teaching of children that there are more than two genders. Re-commence operation grooming in a school near you soon! Labour would ditch guidelines banning children from being taught that there are more than two genders, a shadow minister has suggested. Bridget Phillipson said that guidance announced by the Conservatives earlier this year on what pupils could be taught about sex and gender would be reviewed by a Labour government. The Tory guidance proposed a ban on schools teaching gender ideology – which states that people can be born the wrong sex and that they can change their identity to the opposite sex or other categories such as “non-binary”. It also stated that teachers must point out that there are two biological sexes. Asked three times if she would keep the ban or ditch it, Ms Phillipson refused to answer directly but said: “There are trans people within society and their existence should be recognised.” www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/23/bridget-phillipson-labour-may-scrap-gender-ideology-ban/ |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 24, 2024 7:28:19 GMT
Clear as mud...  |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 24, 2024 8:42:17 GMT
^^^  |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 25, 2024 6:52:46 GMT
I was going to put it in the members bar meme thread, but then it dawned on me. Assange has realised life in the UK is going to be SO fucking awful as of next week that death by lethal injection WITHOUT the pain killer added to the concoction is preferable …  PS for any lefties overcome with remorse at the consequences of their actions wishing to follow his example i have a DIY kit of a couple of kilo’s of ‘lo salt’ potassium chloride salt substitute a pint of water and a few rusty needles left by the local smackheads i’ll happily put in the post …. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 25, 2024 6:58:56 GMT
Oh look - another 'One Nation' faux Conservative who feels more at home in a left-wing party..(to the absolute surprise of nobody) Yeah but tell me, in all honesty, had they made him leader if the party could he have caused a worse fustercluck than the current idiot and his banker pals have engineered I mean, the supreme irony of four of his party members being ‘investigated’ for dodgy betting practices when he and his pals are going to make George Soros going mano a mano with Norman The Eyebrows Lamont on Black Wednesday look like Amateur Night |
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Post by see2 on Jun 25, 2024 7:30:07 GMT
Oh look - another 'One Nation' faux Conservative who feels more at home in a left-wing party..(to the absolute surprise of nobody) Nope, just another ex Tory MP, finally pissed off by decade after decade after decade and so on of Tory Failure to effectively govern the country. No longer fooling himself by indulging in the denigration of the opposition, and finally recognising he should have been denigrating the Conservative Party. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 25, 2024 7:59:11 GMT
I was going to put it in the members bar meme thread, but then it dawned on me. Assange has realised life in the UK is going to be SO fucking awful as of next week that death by lethal injection WITHOUT the pain killer added to the concoction is preferable … PS for any lefties overcome with remorse at the consequences of their actions wishing to follow his example i have a DIY kit of a couple of kilo’s of ‘lo salt’ potassium chloride salt substitute a pint of water and a few rusty needles left by the local smackheads i’ll happily put in the post …. Ten minutes after i grabbed that screenshot, tbe BBC chsnged tbe headline to include the fact he wax iff to the USA Clearly i wasn’t the only one to see the potential for a Rwanda pisstake |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 25, 2024 8:01:25 GMT
Rory Stewart a Conservative, LOL. He was never a Conservative, he represents modern centrist conservatives who, if the polls are to believed, have pretty much killed the party. When the Tories rise from the ashes of this election as they inevitably will, they will come back as a proper centre right Conservative party there will be no room for left wing saps like Rory Stewart. You already have a proper right wing party in Reform. And just look how they are flying.  |
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