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Post by happyhornet on May 23, 2024 10:53:36 GMT
I've always suspected that Farrage doesn't have a patriotic bone in his body, he's the Milli Vanilli of patriots. Irrelevant poster is irrelevant.
Nigel isn't standing, he clearly wants no part of the ensuing shit show and I don't blame him.
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Post by Red Rackham on May 23, 2024 11:10:41 GMT
Nonsense, it's all to play for and I'll tell you something, behind the scenes Starmer will be a damned sight more worried than Sunak that's for sure. The gap between the parties always closes once the election is announced, and according to pollsters there are already signs of this happening. The biggest threat to the Tories are Reform UK, not Labour. You could be right. None of us can say for certainty what will happen. But I think you are far more likely to be wrong. Yes I think the polls might narrow a bit and yes the Tories will probably poll a little better on the day than the worst polling suggests. But voting patterns in byelections and local elections recently have been throwing up a lot of evidence for widespread anti-Tory tactical voting, as if most voters aside from die hard Tories have decided they want to see the back of them and are prepared to vote for whomever can best defeat them. At least in England. There may also be an anti-SNP factor in Scotland. This means that whilst the Lib Dems might poll nationally only in single figures, they are likely to do far better where they are the main challengers to the Tories and take seats with the help of Labour supporters. Also Labour might poll nationally well below 40 percent but are likely to do much better in just those seats where they are best placed to defeat the Tory. Anti-Tory tactical voting - if it happens on any significant scale - will doom the Tories much more than overall vote share. There is precedent for polls to narrow substantially. Labour almost wiped out a huge Tory poll lead in 2017, and there is of course the John Major Tory victory of 1992. And unseen events can change things radically, as the Falklands War did for Thatcher. And of course Reform and Farage are wild cards. If they challenge the Tories from the right they are likely to damage the Tory vote still further. But if they do a secret deal - which cannot be entirely ruled out - to stand down and back the Tories in return for a right wing agenda after any victory, then that would obviously substantially shore up the Tory vote. Because whilst many floating voters and centrists and former red wall voters are deserting the Tories for Labour and other moderate parties. the Tory hard core are increasingly leaning towards Reform. Some sort of deal that involves Reform standing down could radically alter Tory fortunes or at least limit the damage sufficiently to make a hung parliament more likely You may be right. I accept a Tory win looks most unlikely, I also think a Labour landslide is equally unlikely, and I don't think Reform will do as well as some people think they will. A lot of people talk about voting intentions but when it comes down to it, when it comes to polling day and putting that X on the ballot paper, I think a lot of people will hold their nose and vote Tory. Perhaps not enough to swing it for Sunak, but enough to deny Starmer a landslide, possibly enough to force a hung parliament which would be an absolute disaster for Starmer. As far as I can see, broadly speaking, people don't particularly like Sunak, but they don't trust Starmer. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 23, 2024 11:12:47 GMT
I think Farage is keeping his distance from Reform UK because he has one eye on rejoining the Conservative Party. If the Tories lose the election, there s going to be a battle for the heart and direction of the party, and if the Right wing win, there will probably be a place for Farage, and othe Right wing loons. well having the left-wing loons in charge of the Tories for the past 14 years hasn't exactly worked out well for their supporters.. when in a hole stop digging and try something new. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 23, 2024 11:18:11 GMT
And if he stood and lost you'd doubtless be crowing about that. Nothing to see here, move along.
I think you're right, but he does have some followers, and may have got more votes for Reform rather than Tory, so a bit of a shame. and then what? - a few more votes for Reform is not going to change the outcome of the election. So compare the 2 elections - the UK gets to choose between 2 left of centre parties (two cheeks of the same arse as gorgeous George would say) and the US gets to choose between 2 men with diverse ideas in an election that has worldwide significance. What election is the most important? |
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Post by piglet on May 23, 2024 11:22:21 GMT
Farage is a tactical thinker, and good at it, he knows you cant replace an unpopular government with a government that will do more of the same thing,....but more so.
Labour wont last long, like the Johnson, May, Sunak governments, the problems that sank them, brexit etc will still be there.
This election may see a watershed, a crisis, a crisis that will be catacylsmic. And guess who will step in?, our nige.
Hopefully.
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Post by Fairsociety on May 23, 2024 11:27:34 GMT
Yes Farage is subjected to horrendous vile disgusting left-wing abuse, if that same horrendous vile disgusting abuse and threats was aimed at a left wing candidate we'd never hear the end of it, there would be arrests galore the police would hunting down the culprits, unlike they do for Farage ...because he 'deserves it'. Typical double standard lefty hypocrisy. Does the name Jo Cox mean anything to you? How about Rosie Cooper? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-48306380Abuse and threats against any politician is disgusting and unacceptable, let's not pretend it just happens to right wing politicians. I was thinking more of David Amess. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 23, 2024 11:29:22 GMT
Your choice on 4th July..  |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2024 11:33:28 GMT
Your choice on 4th July.. This is exactly how I see it. Everything else is just pantomime for dummies. |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 23, 2024 12:34:30 GMT
I think you're right, but he does have some followers, and may have got more votes for Reform rather than Tory, so a bit of a shame. and then what? - a few more votes for Reform is not going to change the outcome of the election. So compare the 2 elections - the UK gets to choose between 2 left of centre parties (two cheeks of the same arse as gorgeous George would say) and the US gets to choose between 2 men with diverse ideas in an election that has worldwide significance. What election is the most important? Outcome of the GE? Probably not, seems Labour will win. Could it make a difference to the make up of the next parliament? Absolutely. Every vote for Reform instead of Tory means LibDems and Labour stand a better chance of overturning majorities. Remember that the raison d'etre of Reform is to destroy the Tories. That's what Richard Tice wants. Must admit I'm a bit disappointed Farage isn't standing, but hey how. |
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Post by jonksy on May 23, 2024 13:38:28 GMT
I've always suspected that Farrage doesn't have a patriotic bone in his body, he's the Milli Vanilli of patriots. Irrelevant poster is irrelevant.
Nigel isn't standing, he clearly wants no part of the ensuing shit show and I don't blame him.
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Post by happyhornet on May 23, 2024 13:52:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2024 13:55:20 GMT
^^ This is politics in the UK. Anyone with the means should leave the UK. Let Labour manage the raping scum and third world boat people. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2024 14:06:32 GMT
The last thing Rishi wants is to win. You are probably right. At least it will boost up the forum. I first started on politics forums in 2009, just before the 2010 election, IIRC. I just can't take any of it seriously now. The UK should just embrace Hamas terrorists, grooming gangs, muggings, stabbings and all other criminal scum that is being imported. It's obviously what the establishment want and fighting it is a waste of time. One step forward is two steps back.
My only sadness is for the natural environment that is being shat on.
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Post by Pacifico on May 23, 2024 16:10:20 GMT
and then what? - a few more votes for Reform is not going to change the outcome of the election. So compare the 2 elections - the UK gets to choose between 2 left of centre parties (two cheeks of the same arse as gorgeous George would say) and the US gets to choose between 2 men with diverse ideas in an election that has worldwide significance. What election is the most important? Outcome of the GE? Probably not, seems Labour will win. Could it make a difference to the make up of the next parliament? Absolutely. Every vote for Reform instead of Tory means LibDems and Labour stand a better chance of overturning majorities. Remember that the raison d'etre of Reform is to destroy the Tories. That's what Richard Tice wants. Must admit I'm a bit disappointed Farage isn't standing, but hey how. The Tories have destroyed themselves by abandoning their core support - they don't need any help from Remain. |
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Post by jonksy on May 23, 2024 18:03:44 GMT
Savers drain pension pots ahead of Labour tax raid.......None of us will have a pot to piss in when labour infests the HOC. Savers are draining their pots to avoid Labour taxes ahead of the general election, advisers have said. In withdrawing their pensions before they need them savers are incurring income tax charges in order to avoid a looming Labour raid. Pensions used to be subject to the Lifetime Allowance (LTA) of £1,073,100, with pensioners hit by a 55pc tax charge on lump sums or a 25pc charge on other withdrawals when their pot exceeded that amount......
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