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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2024 21:35:31 GMT
The last thing Rishi wants is to win. You are probably right. At least it will boost up the forum. I first started on politics forums in 2009, just before the 2010 election, IIRC.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on May 23, 2024 1:49:23 GMT
Maybe he wants to display his skills in an election campaign and has called the election early because of the recent challenge to his leadership? If he left it to later in the year he might have been replaced and wouldn't have had the opportunity to "go down guns blazing" ... whilst displaying an impressive perception of what is happening to our country. I actually think that he's the one with the most perceptive understanding of what is going on on the economic front.
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Post by borchester on May 23, 2024 4:40:52 GMT
The polls would suggest its going to be a coronation rather than a game I wouldn't bet on it. I know what the polls say, but the polls have been wrong before and they'll be wrong again. And besides, the gap between parties always closes as the election gets closer. Well true.
The rough (very) rule of thumb is that the Conservatives usually do 10% better than indicated by the polls. However, that still means that the best the Tories will do will be 30% of the vote against 48% for Labour, which means that Sunak & Co will still get their dials seriously wiped.
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Post by borchester on May 23, 2024 4:50:48 GMT
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Post by johnofgwent on May 23, 2024 5:39:23 GMT
That's the most sense I've heard from Andrew Neill in quite a while..
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Post by sheepy on May 23, 2024 6:33:32 GMT
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Post by see2 on May 23, 2024 6:37:40 GMT
Million dollar question is what is Nigel going to do, if he sits it out I anticipate Reform falling by the wayside and a stronger Tory vote, possibly even a hung Parliament, with the Greens, Libdems and the SNP vying to be king makers. If Nigel gets on board and sits for Reform together with a couple of high profile Tory defections to Reform it might get interesting. Starmer really is coming across at a dumb stooge and his gang of leftie harpies are not helping. Yes, according to the lying, deceiving garbage that oozes out of the Tory Press and Media, and which is so eagerly swallowed by fixed opinionated supporters who probably stopped thinking for themselves as soon as they started buying their favourite pro Tory newspaper.
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Post by johnofgwent on May 23, 2024 6:59:21 GMT
If they stand down at the end of a parliament they get a huge bung. I don’t know if they get as much if they contest the seat and lose
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Post by sheepy on May 23, 2024 7:02:30 GMT
If they stand down at the end of a parliament they get a huge bung. I don’t know if they get as much if they contest the seat and lose Nothing new then, they are always on the end of some bung or another, maybe they will refuse it as they have done such a crap job.
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Post by Fairsociety on May 23, 2024 7:10:32 GMT
Might as well get it out of the way as the result is in no doubt. There is no good news coming and the debt is starting to soar so the Tories may as well go now and leave Labour to carry the can. Well there's a bunch of us on here that can say in another 5 years ......we told you so.
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Post by Fairsociety on May 23, 2024 7:13:29 GMT
Here's another thing bugging me, haven't No.10 heard of umbrellas.
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Post by sheepy on May 23, 2024 7:48:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2024 9:04:39 GMT
Might as well get it out of the way as the result is in no doubt. There is no good news coming and the debt is starting to soar so the Tories may as well go now and leave Labour to carry the can. Nonsense, it's all to play for and I'll tell you something, behind the scenes Starmer will be a damned sight more worried than Sunak that's for sure. The gap between the parties always closes once the election is announced, and according to pollsters there are already signs of this happening. The biggest threat to the Tories are Reform UK, not Labour. You could be right. None of us can say for certainty what will happen. But I think you are far more likely to be wrong. Yes I think the polls might narrow a bit and yes the Tories will probably poll a little better on the day than the worst polling suggests. But voting patterns in byelections and local elections recently have been throwing up a lot of evidence for widespread anti-Tory tactical voting, as if most voters aside from die hard Tories have decided they want to see the back of them and are prepared to vote for whomever can best defeat them. At least in England. There may also be an anti-SNP factor in Scotland. This means that whilst the Lib Dems might poll nationally only in single figures, they are likely to do far better where they are the main challengers to the Tories and take seats with the help of Labour supporters. Also Labour might poll nationally well below 40 percent but are likely to do much better in just those seats where they are best placed to defeat the Tory. Anti-Tory tactical voting - if it happens on any significant scale - will doom the Tories much more than overall vote share. There is precedent for polls to narrow substantially. Labour almost wiped out a huge Tory poll lead in 2017, and there is of course the John Major Tory victory of 1992. And unseen events can change things radically, as the Falklands War did for Thatcher. And of course Reform and Farage are wild cards. If they challenge the Tories from the right they are likely to damage the Tory vote still further. But if they do a secret deal - which cannot be entirely ruled out - to stand down and back the Tories in return for a right wing agenda after any victory, then that would obviously substantially shore up the Tory vote. Because whilst many floating voters and centrists and former red wall voters are deserting the Tories for Labour and other moderate parties. the Tory hard core are increasingly leaning towards Reform. Some sort of deal that involves Reform standing down could radically alter Tory fortunes or at least limit the damage sufficiently to make a hung parliament more likely
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Post by ginnyg2 on May 23, 2024 9:06:41 GMT
Here's another thing bugging me, haven't No.10 heard of umbrellas? Apparently not.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2024 9:08:59 GMT
Here's another thing bugging me, haven't No.10 heard of umbrellas. Perhaps he decided that he could court popularity by becoming a wet?
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