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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 1, 2024 9:38:58 GMT
How many more years are they going to be called 'New' Labour, there's fuck all New about them, they are as Old and as rotten from the days of Blair/Brown, maybe they should rebrand again, maybe.... 'No this time honestly we are New Labour' .... I'm pissed off of hearing New Labour, they are Old worn out and ready for the knackers yard. Quite. "Same Old Shit Labour" would be more like it. |
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 1, 2024 10:12:54 GMT
The Labour Party under Keir Starmer is simply called "The Labour Party" and not "New" Labour The style of approach, including the policies are SIMILAR to New Labour, but it is not a copy of the Labour Party of Tony Blair. Where Keir Starmer has got it right, and where Blair got it right, is to bring the party towards the centre, and to appeal to middle class voters, middle England voters, the self employed, to small businesses, and ordinary people. Under the likes of Jeremy Corbyn and those of his ilk, there was too much emphasis on "The working class", which although there is nothing wrong in that, it seems to indicate exclusion of others. Swap "working class" with "ordinary people" - swap "socialism" with either "social justice", "fairness" or "moral capitalism". I have always advocated the Labour Party studying the most successful Left of centre, moderate but progressive political party in the democratic world. ( see link - listen to terminology used ) www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRdE2b8uNDM |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 1, 2024 10:42:10 GMT
Yes I can see why Labour would be attracted to Trudeau - they have the same authoritarian control freak mentality.
Freezing the bank accounts of your political opponents is very attractive to many on the left.
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Post by om15 on Jun 1, 2024 10:54:03 GMT
I read this morning that the Tories may end up with just 66 seats, with Labour winning 470 odd, can you imagine just how bad it will be.
Everything will be nationalised, the blob will multiply tenfold and what little still functions in the country will simply grind to a halt. The trade unions will demand and receive double digit pay rises, the right to never be sacked and to work from home, inflation, unemployment will soar and immigration will be stepped up.
Anybody who can't se this is oblivious to history and has led such a sheltered life that the obvious eludes them, it will just about finish off the UK, any progress that has been made to extend our trade deals will be unravelled, every single failure made by Labour will be blamed on Brexit and used to justify rejoining the EU.
At the moment probate takes over two years to be gained under the Government body, if Tesco ran the service it would take three days and if desired would be delivered in a van, there will be much buyers remorse after the election, and people will wonder why they allowed about a quarter of the population to give us such a terrible Government.
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jun 1, 2024 12:15:21 GMT
I read this morning that the Tories may end up with just 66 seats, with Labour winning 470 odd, can you imagine just how bad it will be. Everything will be nationalised, the blob will multiply tenfold and what little still functions in the country will simply grind to a halt. The trade unions will demand and receive double digit pay rises, the right to never be sacked and to work from home, inflation, unemployment will soar and immigration will be stepped up. Anybody who can't se this is oblivious to history and has led such a sheltered life that the obvious eludes them, it will just about finish off the UK, any progress that has been made to extend our trade deals will be unravelled, every single failure made by Labour will be blamed on Brexit and used to justify rejoining the EU. At the moment probate takes over two years to be gained under the Government body, if Tesco ran the service it would take three days and if desired would be delivered in a van, there will be much buyers remorse after the election, and people will wonder why they allowed about a quarter of the population to give us such a terrible Government. Project fear. I'm old enough to remember the last Labour government and I don't remember it being like that. You want someone to blame however I suggest you take aim at the Tories. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jun 1, 2024 12:24:02 GMT
All that said I don't think such a huge majority for Labour (or any other party) is a good thing, it would essentially render us a one party state and encourage factionalism in the PLP.
Although apparently the same organisation accurately predicted the 2019 GE result at this stage.
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Post by om15 on Jun 1, 2024 12:27:08 GMT
I'm old enough to remember the hard left Labour Government before that in the 1970s and I do remember it being like that. I was a (reluctant) member of the AUEW in the 70's and remember thinking that it was simply a marxist organisation intent on destroying industry and the state.
Why would I blame the Tories for Labour's inherent flaws?
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jun 1, 2024 12:31:47 GMT
I'm old enough to remember the hard left Labour Government before that in the 1970s and I do remember it being like that. I was a (reluctant) member of the AUEW in the 70's and remember thinking that it was simply a marxist organisation intent on destroying industry and the state. Why would I blame the Tories for Labour's inherent flaws? Do you think it's fair or realistic to judge the current Labour party by the standards of their 1970s iteration? "Why would I blame the Tories for Labour's inherent flaws?" Who's fault would you say is it Labour look likely to win the next GE? |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 1, 2024 12:34:35 GMT
I'm old enough to remember the hard left Labour Government before that in the 1970s and I do remember it being like that. I was a (reluctant) member of the AUEW in the 70's and remember thinking that it was simply a marxist organisation intent on destroying industry and the state. Why would I blame the Tories for Labour's inherent flaws? I'm also old enough to remember these as well as the disastrous Brown/Blair governments when pension funds for private sector were destroyed , education standards went further off the edge of the cliff , PFI costs went stratospheric , tax legislation increases in volume were legendary , the politics of envy further complicated the housing market with SDLT payable according to house value etc etc etc |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2024 14:21:35 GMT
Yes I can see why Labour would be attracted to Trudeau - they have the same authoritarian control freak mentality. Freezing the bank accounts of your political opponents is very attractive to many on the left. All Labour did was try and break the country apart, fill it with mass-immigration, which they admit was intended for political gain, and corrupt the institutions. The Left are nothing more than totalitarian following tyrants. There's a reason why enlightened England was Conservative, but today, the country is looking more like a Communist state with only the illusion of choice. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2024 16:43:15 GMT
I read this morning that the Tories may end up with just 66 seats, with Labour winning 470 odd, can you imagine just how bad it will be. Everything will be nationalised, the blob will multiply tenfold and what little still functions in the country will simply grind to a halt. The trade unions will demand and receive double digit pay rises, the right to never be sacked and to work from home, inflation, unemployment will soar and immigration will be stepped up. Anybody who can't se this is oblivious to history and has led such a sheltered life that the obvious eludes them, it will just about finish off the UK, any progress that has been made to extend our trade deals will be unravelled, every single failure made by Labour will be blamed on Brexit and used to justify rejoining the EU. At the moment probate takes over two years to be gained under the Government body, if Tesco ran the service it would take three days and if desired would be delivered in a van, there will be much buyers remorse after the election, and people will wonder why they allowed about a quarter of the population to give us such a terrible Government. Project fear. I'm old enough to remember the last Labour government and I don't remember it being like that. You want someone to blame however I suggest you take aim at the Tories. Why are you spamming the forum with multiple accounts? |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jun 1, 2024 17:13:39 GMT
Project fear. I'm old enough to remember the last Labour government and I don't remember it being like that. You want someone to blame however I suggest you take aim at the Tories. Why are you spamming the forum with multiple accounts? Having problems logging in. |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 1, 2024 17:22:45 GMT
The Labour Party under Keir Starmer is simply called "The Labour Party" and not "New" Labour The style of approach, including the policies are SIMILAR to New Labour, but it is not a copy of the Labour Party of Tony Blair. Where Keir Starmer has got it right, and where Blair got it right, is to bring the party towards the centre, and to appeal to middle class voters, middle England voters, the self employed, to small businesses, and ordinary people. Under the likes of Jeremy Corbyn and those of his ilk, there was too much emphasis on "The working class", which although there is nothing wrong in that, it seems to indicate exclusion of others. Swap "working class" with "ordinary people" - swap "socialism" with either "social justice", "fairness" or "moral capitalism". I have always advocated the Labour Party studying the most successful Left of centre, moderate but progressive political party in the democratic world. ( see link - listen to terminology used ) www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRdE2b8uNDMDo we know what 'fairness' is, or social justice, or moral capitalism. I am pretty sure my definition would be seriously at odds with the Labour party definition. It seems when it comes to being 'fair' the working class are largely ignored, and the British people in general are simply traduced. Fairness to the world is not fairness to those who place their cross for Labour let alone those who do not yet Labour represent them as much as anyone else. We had Blair the statesman following policies with the critical eye on his place on the world stage. Starmer seems to be ready to follow the same route and again it will be at the expense of the British electorate. Churchill was a British statesman, Labour are keen to produce World statesmen and the only use the British people are to them is to give them that leg up. |
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Post by bancroft on Jun 3, 2024 18:13:41 GMT
I read this morning that the Tories may end up with just 66 seats, with Labour winning 470 odd, can you imagine just how bad it will be. Everything will be nationalised, the blob will multiply tenfold and what little still functions in the country will simply grind to a halt. The trade unions will demand and receive double digit pay rises, the right to never be sacked and to work from home, inflation, unemployment will soar and immigration will be stepped up. Anybody who can't se this is oblivious to history and has led such a sheltered life that the obvious eludes them, it will just about finish off the UK, any progress that has been made to extend our trade deals will be unravelled, every single failure made by Labour will be blamed on Brexit and used to justify rejoining the EU. At the moment probate takes over two years to be gained under the Government body, if Tesco ran the service it would take three days and if desired would be delivered in a van, there will be much buyers remorse after the election, and people will wonder why they allowed about a quarter of the population to give us such a terrible Government. They can't afford to nationalise much. |
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Post by bancroft on Jun 3, 2024 18:15:44 GMT
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