|
Post by jonksy on May 27, 2024 18:03:01 GMT
Trouble is the extreme left and right are more active and make more noise, thus they appear to represent a larger audience. Have you ever met one who thinks their views are a minority? To be honest, I think both extremes just make more noise. The bulk of the population and voters are usually sat firmly in the middle. I'm hoping that'll be the case on J uly 4, with a slight overbalancing to the Left, just to get this lot of Johnson/Farage contaminated parliamentarians out of office...Give it six months and Labour will be even more despised than the Tories are at present, even if the lefty woke biased media conspires to keep it a secret.
|
|
|
Post by zanygame on May 27, 2024 18:05:39 GMT
Yes but you forget Labour were processing asylum seekers far faster. And is an amnesty any worse than just pretending they aren't here. What do you mean when you say 'Labour were processing asylum claims faster'? When are you talking about. An amnesty is another way of the government giving up. Amnesties do nothing other than to send out a green light to illegals who aren't already here. Look at the Spanish experience. They have had several amnesties all of which were supposedly to clear up 'asylum' backlogs, but the backlogs just got bigger and bigger because as soon as illegals know there's even the suggestion of an amnesty they all head for that country. ZG, appeasment does not work, never has never will. The Tories are taking 3 years to process asylum seekers and most just disappear. Under Labour it was 8 months. I agree on appeasement. But we are comparing parties. You point out Labour bad because of Amnesties, I counter with Tories no better letting them disappear. One thing I'm absolutely certain of is Rwanda is not the solution. Nothing to do with cruelty or unsafe countries. Its that most aslyum seekers disappear from their hotels at some point in the 3 year processing procedure. And that crossings have increased since Rwanda passed. Rwanda is for YOU Red, its to convince you the Tories care about immigration. They don't, they LOVE immigration, it keeps tax on the rich down. They don't care how long YOU wait to see a doctor or that your local school has to have language classes. They have bought in more immigrants than Labour ever did. And worse the hidden ones. The Indian "Students" who pay to come here, go to uni just enough not to get kicked out and work in their uncles third takeaway shop.
|
|
|
Post by zanygame on May 27, 2024 18:06:41 GMT
To be honest, I think both extremes just make more noise. The bulk of the population and voters are usually sat firmly in the middle. I'm hoping that'll be the case on J uly 4, with a slight overbalancing to the Left, just to get this lot of Johnson/Farage contaminated parliamentarians out of office...Give it six months and Labour will be even more despised than the Tories are at present, even if the lefty woke biased media conspires to keep it a secret. Just like last time. Oh wait....It took a world banking crash.
|
|
|
Post by Red Rackham on May 27, 2024 18:25:31 GMT
The Tories are taking 3 years to process asylum seekers and most just disappear. Under Labour it was 8 months. I agree on appeasement. But we are comparing parties. You point out Labour bad because of Amnesties, I counter with Tories no better letting them disappear. One thing I'm absolutely certain of is Rwanda is not the solution. Nothing to do with cruelty or unsafe countries. Its that most aslyum seekers disappear from their hotels at some point in the 3 year processing procedure. And that crossings have increased since Rwanda passed. Rwanda is for YOU Red, its to convince you the Tories care about immigration. They don't, they LOVE immigration, it keeps tax on the rich down. They don't care how long YOU wait to see a doctor or that your local school has to have language classes. They have bought in more immigrants than Labour ever did. And worse the hidden ones. The Indian "Students" who pay to come here, go to uni just enough not to get kicked out and work in their uncles third takeaway shop. What on earth are you talking about? Tell me ZG, how many illegals were crossing the channel on a daily basis the last time Labour were in power? The reason we cant stop the EU shipping tens of thousands of criminals across the channel every year is because of an antiquated peice of legislation called the ECHR, and even though it's long past it's sell by date the political class, particularly socialist lawyer Starmer, thinks more of virtuously keeping the UK anchored to it, than he does of the UK which is rapidly being swamped by every vagrant the EU allows into Europe. You criticise Rwanda, and I concede it's not the best plan, but it is a plan and that's more than Starmer seems to have, and are you aware that 15 EU states have said they agree with the UK Rwanda plan and want a similar plan of their own. ZG, everyone is sick of the EU's plan of flooding Europe with migrants, and I'll let you into a secret, the EU are aware of it too.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 27, 2024 18:57:21 GMT
You are of course, conveniently perhaps, forgetting that Starmer supported and promoted Corbyns left wing agenda. Indeed if you have a moment... Corbyn said amongst other things: a) It would be wonderful if the UK abolished the armed forces. b) He would abolish the UK nuclear deterrent. c) He would pull the UK out of NATO. d) He said NATO should 'close down'. e) He described the terrorist organisations of Hamas and Hezbollah as his friends. f) He voted against every single peice of anti terror legislation, and bragged about it. Ans as I said, Starmer fully supported Corbyn, indeed in a 2019 BBC interview Starmer said, and I quote "Jeremy Corbyn would make a great prime minister". However, we are supposed to forget all that. We are supposed to believe that Starmer has changed, that he is no longer a lifelong left wing socialist. Call me a doubting Thomas, but anyone who thinks Starmer is no longer a left wing socialist is not paying attention. Excellent point.
Starmer is not to be trusted.
Corbyn, Galloway, Starmer, Socialist Worker they're all part of the same networked cult. Labour are just trying to catch as many idiots into their net as possible whilst also desperately trying to look respectable.
|
|
|
Post by patman post on May 27, 2024 19:24:17 GMT
No. The two are both true but not connected. I pointed out Starmer got an easy interview, not that this persuaded me to vote labour. Indeed I would prefer some hard questions. And you understand that Tories will tend to get harder questions than Starmer because Starmer hasn’t actually done much that is significant. Or more likely, Labour has done little that’s dragged the UK into the mire that is most voters are experiencing today…
|
|
|
Post by sandypine on May 27, 2024 19:29:25 GMT
And you understand that Tories will tend to get harder questions than Starmer because Starmer hasn’t actually done much that is significant. Or more likely, Labour has done little that’s dragged the UK into the mire that is most voters are experiencing today… I am afraid Labour under Blair were the main architects of the mire we are in today, Cameron et al just kept up the 'good' work. Blair was a leader on strategy but left the tactics to his Cabinet and they were mainly inept and specifically hamstrung by the strategic goals of Blair.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 27, 2024 19:31:55 GMT
And you understand that Tories will tend to get harder questions than Starmer because Starmer hasn’t actually done much that is significant. Or more likely, Labour has done little that’s dragged the UK into the mire that is most voters are experiencing today… On the contrary, the Tories have mimicked Labour so well that Starmer can't be honest and just rambles on whilst wearing military gear. I'm sure most sensible people know this. Why do you think Starmer is grooming kids and relying on insane trangenderism and other freakazoid nonsense? He won't face the people or face any level of critical questioning under this rigged system. He just needs to follow the orders of those that control the economics and politics of this country. While street fascism will be worse and ordinary people will face even more attacks, little else will change, and nothing will change for the better.
|
|
|
Post by Red Rackham on May 27, 2024 19:33:51 GMT
Or more likely, Labour has done little that’s dragged the UK into the mire that is most voters are experiencing today… I am afraid Labour under Blair were the main architects of the mire we are in today, Cameron et al just kept up the 'good' work. Blair was a leader on strategy but left the tactics to his Cabinet and they were mainly inept and specifically hamstrung by the strategic goals of Blair. Currently listening to a discussion in which someone has just said that publicly Blair only wanted to discuss 'positive Islam'.
|
|
|
Post by zanygame on May 27, 2024 19:43:15 GMT
The Tories are taking 3 years to process asylum seekers and most just disappear. Under Labour it was 8 months. I agree on appeasement. But we are comparing parties. You point out Labour bad because of Amnesties, I counter with Tories no better letting them disappear. One thing I'm absolutely certain of is Rwanda is not the solution. Nothing to do with cruelty or unsafe countries. Its that most aslyum seekers disappear from their hotels at some point in the 3 year processing procedure. And that crossings have increased since Rwanda passed. Rwanda is for YOU Red, its to convince you the Tories care about immigration. They don't, they LOVE immigration, it keeps tax on the rich down. They don't care how long YOU wait to see a doctor or that your local school has to have language classes. They have bought in more immigrants than Labour ever did. And worse the hidden ones. The Indian "Students" who pay to come here, go to uni just enough not to get kicked out and work in their uncles third takeaway shop. What on earth are you talking about? Tell me ZG, how many illegals were crossing the channel on a daily basis the last time Labour were in power? The reason we cant stop the EU shipping tens of thousands of criminals across the channel every year is because of an antiquated peice of legislation called the ECHR, and even though it's long past it's sell by date the political class, particularly socialist lawyer Starmer, thinks more of virtuously keeping the UK anchored to it, than he does of the UK which is rapidly being swamped by every vagrant the EU allows into Europe. You criticise Rwanda, and I concede it's not the best plan, but it is a plan and that's more than Starmer seems to have, and are you aware that 15 EU states have said they agree with the UK Rwanda plan and want a similar plan of their own. ZG, everyone is sick of the EU's plan of flooding Europe with migrants, and I'll let you into a secret, the EU are aware of it too. When labour were in power they came in the back of Lorries, same issue different means. If you're gonna start sprouting crap again about the EU shipping them here then the conversation ends. The EU ship no one anywhere. The illegals pay thousands to get to taken to Britain, not France not Germany. If offered a place in France they'd refuse. Rwanda is not better than nothing, its worse. It incredibly expensive and will stop no one. Its like fitting shag pile carpet to your house to stop it flooding. It soaks up the first few millimetres at a collosal cost, but your home still floods.
|
|
|
Post by patman post on May 27, 2024 19:44:58 GMT
To be honest, I think both extremes just make more noise. The bulk of the population and voters are usually sat firmly in the middle. I'm hoping that'll be the case on J uly 4, with a slight overbalancing to the Left, just to get this lot of Johnson/Farage contaminated parliamentarians out of office...Give it six months and Labour will be even more despised than the Tories are at present, even if the lefty woke biased media conspires to keep it a secret. Most UK news media is owned and directed by Tory-supporting and peerage-seeking proprietors and mainly staffed by cowed political scribblers held by their pay-checks. Basing predictions of future opinion poll findings without any support from current results is plain grabbing at fictitious straws. I’m not calling the results of this coming election, but I’m hoping for an outright Labour win. The population of the UK doesn’t deserve to be put through the wringer operated by power hungry ultra right europhobes, who are bent on their futile attempt to prove this small offshore island has the same clout it had two centuries ago…
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 27, 2024 19:49:51 GMT
I am afraid Labour under Blair were the main architects of the mire we are in today, Cameron et al just kept up the 'good' work. Blair was a leader on strategy but left the tactics to his Cabinet and they were mainly inept and specifically hamstrung by the strategic goals of Blair. Currently listening to a discussion in which someone has just said that publicly Blair only wanted to discuss 'positive Islam'. The Left have a very depraved and sick obsession with Islam, and Blair loves it. After all, he took millions of pounds from some of the worst regimes in the world. Many Sunni Muslims supported his invasion of Iraq.
|
|
|
Post by jonksy on May 27, 2024 19:56:30 GMT
Give it six months and Labour will be even more despised than the Tories are at present, even if the lefty woke biased media conspires to keep it a secret. Just like last time. Oh wait....It took a world banking crash. More zany bollocks......Pssst want to buy some cheap gold..
|
|
|
Post by jonksy on May 27, 2024 19:57:32 GMT
Give it six months and Labour will be even more despised than the Tories are at present, even if the lefty woke biased media conspires to keep it a secret. Most UK news media is owned and directed by Tory-supporting and peerage-seeking proprietors and mainly staffed by cowed political scribblers held by their pay-checks. Basing predictions of future opinion poll findings without any support from current results is plain grabbing at fictitious straws. I’m not calling the results of this coming election, but I’m hoping for an outright Labour win. The population of the UK doesn’t deserve to be put through the wringer operated by power hungry ultra right europhobes, who are bent on their futile attempt to prove this small offshore island has the same clout it had two centuries ago… More lefty bollocks..
|
|
|
Post by see2 on May 27, 2024 20:02:43 GMT
Excellent point.
Starmer is not to be trusted.
Corbyn, Galloway, Starmer, Socialist Worker they're all part of the same networked cult. Labour are just trying to catch as many idiots into their net as possible whilst also desperately trying to look respectable. Well that is exactly what the Tories have done and have failed at being respectable. The Conservative cult has failed the electorate during their 70% domination of Parliament since 1951, making your post not only a lie, but also an exposure of Tory Idiocy.
|
|