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Post by see2 on May 27, 2024 13:10:50 GMT
I would have thought that was obvious. It might be obvious to those influenced by Tory 'project fear' but not obvious to everyone. |
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Post by patman post on May 27, 2024 13:18:24 GMT
Absolutely. That's why I no longer care - whoever gets in, it's more of the same. Sunak/Starmer, Starmer/Sunak. It's exactly the same thing. Only the idiot tribal voters don't get it. I don't altogether agree, but can see why you say that. They are very similar, too similar. Starmer has moved Labour to the centre because he knows a left wing Labour party are unelectable. That is, until they are elected when in my opinion, Starmer will show his true left wing socialist pro EU colours. That's obviously true and borne out by history — time and again the silent majority UK electorate has shown that it is mostly conservative.
Corbyn was an aberration (as was Truss) and Starmer's rapid realisation — after Labour's record trouncing — that the growing anti-Semitism and Left pro-terrorist stances of Corbynism would not allow it to gain power before reforming, I consider to his credit.
I don't see that Starmer, returning the Labour Party to the values most of the electorate can be comfortable with, is anything for any balanced citizen to worry about. Hopefully, Corbyn is now as relevant as Galloway.
My preferred scenario is Labour in for two terms, while the Tories ditch their dalliances with the Far Right, and regain their One Nation outlook and plan how to grow and maintain the country's health and wealth of its residents once it regains power.
Fingers crossed the Tories are not in for a Canadian-style wipe-out...
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Post by Red Rackham on May 27, 2024 13:20:19 GMT
I would have thought that was obvious. It might be obvious to those influenced by Tory 'project fear' but not obvious to everyone. Pillock. In the biggest democratic vote in British political history the majority voted to leave the EU. Starmer then spent two or three years desperately trying to overturn that vote, and in 2023 he said if Labour are elected he would "rewrite Brexit" and "seek a closer relationship with the EU". I think the majority who voted for Brexit have every reason to be very worried at the prospect of a pro EU Labour government. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 27, 2024 13:42:18 GMT
That's obviously true and borne out by history — time and again the silent majority UK electorate has shown that it is mostly conservative. Corbyn was an aberration (as was Truss) and Starmer's rapid realisation — after Labour's record trouncing — that the growing anti-Semitism and Left pro-terrorist stances of Corbynism would not allow it to gain power before reforming, I consider to his credit. I don't see that Starmer, returning the Labour Party to the values most of the electorate can be comfortable with, is anything for any balanced citizen to worry about. Hopefully, Corbyn is now as relevant as Galloway. My preferred scenario is Labour in for two terms, while the Tories ditch their dalliances with the Far Right, and regain their One Nation outlook and plan how to grow and maintain the country's health and wealth of its residents once it regains power. Fingers crossed the Tories are not in for a Canadian-style wipe-out... You are of course, conveniently perhaps, forgetting that Starmer supported and promoted Corbyns left wing agenda. Indeed if you have a moment... Corbyn said amongst other things: a) It would be wonderful if the UK abolished the armed forces. b) He would abolish the UK nuclear deterrent. c) He would pull the UK out of NATO. d) He said NATO should 'close down'. e) He described the terrorist organisations of Hamas and Hezbollah as his friends. f) He voted against every single peice of anti terror legislation, and bragged about it. Ans as I said, Starmer fully supported Corbyn, indeed in a 2019 BBC interview Starmer said, and I quote "Jeremy Corbyn would make a great prime minister". However, we are supposed to forget all that. We are supposed to believe that Starmer has changed, that he is no longer a lifelong left wing socialist. Call me a doubting Thomas, but anyone who thinks Starmer is no longer a left wing socialist is not paying attention. |
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Post by jonksy on May 27, 2024 13:57:00 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on May 27, 2024 14:04:24 GMT
It might be obvious to those influenced by Tory 'project fear' but not obvious to everyone. Pillock. In the biggest democratic vote in British political history the majority voted to leave the EU. Starmer then spent two or three years desperately trying to overturn that vote, and in 2023 he said if Labour are elected he would "rewrite Brexit" and "seek a closer relationship with the EU". I think the majority who voted for Brexit have every reason to be very worried at the prospect of a pro EU Labour government. Unlike the Tory Pro EU Government? |
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Post by patman post on May 27, 2024 14:13:39 GMT
That's obviously true and borne out by history — time and again the silent majority UK electorate has shown that it is mostly conservative. Corbyn was an aberration (as was Truss) and Starmer's rapid realisation — after Labour's record trouncing — that the growing anti-Semitism and Left pro-terrorist stances of Corbynism would not allow it to gain power before reforming, I consider to his credit. I don't see that Starmer, returning the Labour Party to the values most of the electorate can be comfortable with, is anything for any balanced citizen to worry about. Hopefully, Corbyn is now as relevant as Galloway. My preferred scenario is Labour in for two terms, while the Tories ditch their dalliances with the Far Right, and regain their One Nation outlook and plan how to grow and maintain the country's health and wealth of its residents once it regains power. Fingers crossed the Tories are not in for a Canadian-style wipe-out... You are of course, conveniently perhaps, forgetting that Starmer supported and promoted Corbyns left wing agenda. Indeed if you have a moment... Corbyn said amongst other things: a) It would be wonderful if the UK abolished the armed forces. b) He would abolish the UK nuclear deterrent. c) He would pull the UK out of NATO. d) He said NATO should 'close down'. e) He described the terrorist organisations of Hamas and Hezbollah as his friends. f) He voted against every single peice of anti terror legislation, and bragged about it. Ans as I said, Starmer fully supported Corbyn, indeed in a 2019 BBC interview Starmer said, and I quote "Jeremy Corbyn would make a great prime minister". However, we are supposed to forget all that. We are supposed to believe that Starmer has changed, that he is no longer a lifelong left wing socialist. Call me a doubting Thomas, but anyone who thinks Starmer is no longer a left wing socialist is not paying attention. You conveniently ignore my reckoning that Starmer judged Corbyn's rapid rise in popularity to be a possible vehicle for Labour to regain power.
Supporting the party leader while electioneering is hardly a capital offence — especially if there's a chance of gaining power (a Johnson tactic, if I recall correctly).
Starmer changed his views of Corbyn's usefulness after voters' thumping rejection of Corbyn.
I'm not convinced that Starmer as a non-student adult (say since aged 25), was ever a fully "left wing socialist". Did Starmer ever voice those Corbyn views you cite...?
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Post by zanygame on May 27, 2024 14:18:56 GMT
Whatever. I pointed out that Greta did not invent the heat pump. I googled who did and typed the name that came up. My point was that Greta has nothing to do with heat pumps. A point you appear not to mind. Its good to come here now and then to remember why we left. Maybe or maybe, you tried holding court over there and bored the place to death. Not at all. I like the conversation where people exchange views politely and threads are not filled with infantile conversations. A popped back here to see if anyone was having intelligent conversation and for a bit they were and then the kids arrived with their bumburgers. And I was stupid enough to respond. Shucks. |
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Post by zanygame on May 27, 2024 14:22:42 GMT
Do any of you Tory supporters have anything to say about the Tories?
All I see is you trying to downplay Labour.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2024 14:23:59 GMT
Maybe or maybe, you tried holding court over there and bored the place to death. Not at all. I like the conversation where people exchange views politely and threads are not filled with infantile conversations. A popped back here to see if anyone was having intelligent conversation and for a bit they were and then the kids arrived with their bumburgers. And I was stupid enough to respond. Shucks. I don't get it, all you ever do is post infantile nonsense. I have never seen you win an argument. I thought you bailed out when you discovered that you couldn't manipulate the moderation on Mind Zone, when they kicked your backside for breaking the rules. Your only comeback was to project yourself as somebody who is incredibly important. Still, at least you have Jew bashers to latch onto. |
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Post by zanygame on May 27, 2024 14:25:50 GMT
I don't altogether agree, but can see why you say that. They are very similar, too similar. Starmer has moved Labour to the centre because he knows a left wing Labour party are unelectable. That is, until they are elected when in my opinion, Starmer will show his true left wing socialist pro EU colours. That's obviously true and borne out by history — time and again the silent majority UK electorate has shown that it is mostly conservative.
Corbyn was an aberration (as was Truss) and Starmer's rapid realisation — after Labour's record trouncing — that the growing anti-Semitism and Left pro-terrorist stances of Corbynism would not allow it to gain power before reforming, I consider to his credit.
I don't see that Starmer, returning the Labour Party to the values most of the electorate can be comfortable with, is anything for any balanced citizen to worry about. Hopefully, Corbyn is now as relevant as Galloway.
My preferred scenario is Labour in for two terms, while the Tories ditch their dalliances with the Far Right, and regain their One Nation outlook and plan how to grow and maintain the country's health and wealth of its residents once it regains power.
Fingers crossed the Tories are not in for a Canadian-style wipe-out...
Trouble is the extreme left and right are more active and make more noise, thus they appear to represent a larger audience. Have you ever met one who thinks their views are a minority? |
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Post by zanygame on May 27, 2024 14:27:16 GMT
Not at all. I like the conversation where people exchange views politely and threads are not filled with infantile conversations. A popped back here to see if anyone was having intelligent conversation and for a bit they were and then the kids arrived with their bumburgers. And I was stupid enough to respond. Shucks. I don't get it, all you ever do is post infantile nonsense. I have never seen you win an argument. I thought you bailed out when you discovered that you couldn't manipulate the moderation on Mind Zone, when they kicked your backside for breaking the rules. Your only comeback was to project yourself as somebody who is incredibly important. Still, at least you have Jew bashers to latch onto. You trashed the mind zone on here, but don't worry we moved it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2024 14:28:45 GMT
I don't get it, all you ever do is post infantile nonsense. I have never seen you win an argument. I thought you bailed out when you discovered that you couldn't manipulate the moderation on Mind Zone, when they kicked your backside for breaking the rules. Your only comeback was to project yourself as somebody who is incredibly important. Still, at least you have Jew bashers to latch onto. You trashed the mind zone on here, but don't worry we moved it. Ah, a shameless infantile lie on your part. I rarely engage on Mind Zone. |
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2024 14:36:03 GMT
Do any of you Tory supporters have anything to say about the Tories? All I see is you trying to downplay Labour. There has been plenty of story supporters ‘ downplaying ‘ the Tories . You need to look harder . |
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Post by zanygame on May 27, 2024 14:46:09 GMT
Do any of you Tory supporters have anything to say about the Tories? All I see is you trying to downplay Labour. There has been plenty of story supporters ‘ downplaying ‘ the Tories . You need to look harder . I'm sure there are, most of the country tbh. But that wasn't my question. |
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