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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2024 12:08:23 GMT
I don’t think Tory parliamentary candidates are selected by a single committee. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 27, 2024 12:10:01 GMT
They both know there's no funding for anything new, without the fat cats losing a bit of weight, so it's stalemate before we even get started... Absolutely. That's why I no longer care - whoever gets in, it's more of the same. Sunak/Starmer, Starmer/Sunak. It's exactly the same thing. Only the idiot tribal voters don't get it. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 27, 2024 12:16:36 GMT
They both know there's no funding for anything new, without the fat cats losing a bit of weight, so it's stalemate before we even get started... Absolutely. That's why I no longer care - whoever gets in, it's more of the same. Sunak/Starmer, Starmer/Sunak. It's exactly the same thing. Only the idiot tribal voters don't get it. I don't altogether agree, but can see why you say that. They are very similar, too similar. Starmer has moved Labour to the centre because he knows a left wing Labour party are unelectable. That is, until they are elected when in my opinion, Starmer will show his true left wing socialist pro EU colours. |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 27, 2024 12:20:43 GMT
Come on guys, I was going to say let's talk about the campaigns in this thread, however, there's just hot air being blown about by both parties. They both know there's no funding for anything new, without the fat cats losing a bit of weight, so it's stalemate before we even get started. As for heat pumps, we've already done that subject to death. Labours campaign is ‘ vote for us because we are not those beastly Tories ‘ . The Tory campaign is ‘ gis another chance . We think we know where we went wrong ‘. The Lib Dem’s campaign is ‘ vote for us because we are neither Tories or Labour ‘ The Green campaign is ‘ we are bonkers . So should you be ‘. Sorted. Only thing I would question is the Tories knowing where they went wrong. In fact they are saying the opposite, things are great, let's stick with the plan. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 27, 2024 12:25:10 GMT
Absolutely. That's why I no longer care - whoever gets in, it's more of the same. Sunak/Starmer, Starmer/Sunak. It's exactly the same thing. Only the idiot tribal voters don't get it. I don't altogether agree, but can see why you say that. They are very similar, too similar. Starmer has moved Labour to the centre because he knows a left wing Labour party are unelectable. That is, until they are elected when in my opinion, Starmer will show his true left wing socialist pro EU colours. He doesn't have that room to manoevre. That's why he keeps backtracking on his previous pledges - he knows he'll be subject to the same constraints as the Tories.
There is very little he can do differently. And he knows it.
What might happen is that he gets usurped by the looney left and then the real fun will start.
Although that's cool because it will make Labour unelectable next time around.
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Post by Red Rackham on May 27, 2024 12:33:15 GMT
I don't altogether agree, but can see why you say that. They are very similar, too similar. Starmer has moved Labour to the centre because he knows a left wing Labour party are unelectable. That is, until they are elected when in my opinion, Starmer will show his true left wing socialist pro EU colours. He doesn't have that room to manoevre. That's why he keeps backtracking on his previous pledges - he knows he'll be subject to the same constraints as the Tories.
There is very little he can do differently. And he knows it.
What might happen is that he gets usurped by the looney left and then the real fun will start.
Although that's cool because it will make Labour unelectable next time around.
Possibly, but there is one policy in particular that Starmer said he will adopt, and I absolutely believe him. In spite of Brexit, he said he will have a closer relationship with the EU. And that should worry everyone who voted to leave the EU. |
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Post by bancroft on May 27, 2024 12:39:59 GMT
I heard a theory once about politics, the worse thing is no-one is talking about so you have to get them talking.
So Sunak gets points yesterday for his 18yr old proposal as it was newsworthy.
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Post by see2 on May 27, 2024 12:42:58 GMT
They both know there's no funding for anything new, without the fat cats losing a bit of weight, so it's stalemate before we even get started... Absolutely. That's why I no longer care - whoever gets in, it's more of the same. Sunak/Starmer, Starmer/Sunak. It's exactly the same thing. Only the idiot tribal voters don't get it. Your post proves that you are not fit for debate. So why not just go away? |
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2024 12:45:29 GMT
Labours campaign is ‘ vote for us because we are not those beastly Tories ‘ . The Tory campaign is ‘ gis another chance . We think we know where we went wrong ‘. The Lib Dem’s campaign is ‘ vote for us because we are neither Tories or Labour ‘ The Green campaign is ‘ we are bonkers . So should you be ‘. Sorted. Only thing I would question is the Tories knowing where they went wrong. In fact they are saying the opposite, things are great, let's stick with the plan. Just read ‘ gis another chance ‘ and skip the rest . Sorted ( again). |
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Post by see2 on May 27, 2024 12:48:44 GMT
Absolutely. That's why I no longer care - whoever gets in, it's more of the same. Sunak/Starmer, Starmer/Sunak. It's exactly the same thing. Only the idiot tribal voters don't get it. I don't altogether agree, but can see why you say that. They are very similar, too similar. Starmer has moved Labour to the centre because he knows a left wing Labour party are unelectable. That is, until they are elected when in my opinion, Starmer will show his true left wing socialist pro EU colours. Nope, its because New Labour showed conclusively that a broad based political approach actually works for the electorate. |
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Post by sheepy on May 27, 2024 12:49:21 GMT
Who cares I am off to watch some mind-numbing pointless shit on youtube at least some of it is funny. Talking shop about politicians and their antics certainly ain't amusing.
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Post by see2 on May 27, 2024 12:51:00 GMT
He doesn't have that room to manoevre. That's why he keeps backtracking on his previous pledges - he knows he'll be subject to the same constraints as the Tories.
There is very little he can do differently. And he knows it.
What might happen is that he gets usurped by the looney left and then the real fun will start.
Although that's cool because it will make Labour unelectable next time around.
Possibly, but there is one policy in particular that Starmer said he will adopt, and I absolutely believe him. In spite of Brexit, he said he will have a closer relationship with the EU. And that should worry everyone who voted to leave the EU. Why? |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 27, 2024 13:02:38 GMT
I don't altogether agree, but can see why you say that. They are very similar, too similar. Starmer has moved Labour to the centre because he knows a left wing Labour party are unelectable. That is, until they are elected when in my opinion, Starmer will show his true left wing socialist pro EU colours. Nope, its because New Labour showed conclusively that a broad based political approach actually works for the electorate. Rubbish. Blair the centrist was the most successful PM in the history of the Labour party. Corbyn the left wing socialist, supported by Starmer, took Labour to their worst election defeat since 1935. The result: Starmer, who supported Corbyns left wing agenda, now pretends to be a moderate, a centrist because he knows a left wing labour party will never be elected. Starmer is a left wing opportunist, a charlatan who will in all likelihood be our next prime minister not because he is any good, but because Sunak and the Tories are crap. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 27, 2024 13:03:18 GMT
Possibly, but there is one policy in particular that Starmer said he will adopt, and I absolutely believe him. In spite of Brexit, he said he will have a closer relationship with the EU. And that should worry everyone who voted to leave the EU. Why? I would have thought that was obvious. |
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Post by see2 on May 27, 2024 13:08:29 GMT
It's the end of a cycle and the beginning of another. Labour can only blow their victory if they do something extraordinarily stupid. For example, bringing back Corbyn and giving him something important to be responsible for. The problem is the Tories are now so unpopular that Labour can spout lies and nobody challenges them, not even the Tories lol. I was watching PMQs and Starmer called Sunak a "billionaire PM". Why didn't Sunak raise a point of order and make Starmer apologise for lying? I came to the conclusion that not even Sunak can be arsed anymore lol. It depends on the intentions or insinuations of the comment. If Starmer referred to Sunak as an idiot, it wouldn't mean that he was calling him an actual idiot. |
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