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Post by Bentley on May 24, 2024 17:37:26 GMT
So you admit that China did not modernise the MTR in Hong Kong. Good boy That's a line out of HongKong into mainland China . I’ve been on it 😉…I think .. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 25, 2024 11:04:51 GMT
So you admit that China did not modernise the MTR in Hong Kong. Good boy That's a line out of HongKong into mainland China . I’ve been on it 😉…I think .. The important thing for the UK is self-driving vehicles will be a huge boost to the national wealth. Look in any paper at the number of driving jobs there are and delivery people, or just look at typical M1 traffic and how much of that is commercial freight. Lorry drivers are paid 50+ grand a year. All this labour will be saved and can be re-employed to create wealth we never had before. It's what the yanks call a disruptive technology, because right now we pay about 3 quid for something to be delivered. That could drop to virtually nothing if the whole delivery process was automated end to end. If this were the case then we would buy everything online so there would not be any need for people to work in shops or supermarkets. You get a feedback loop where the more use online delivery the faster and more frequent the deliveries can be, so that means it is even better and even more use it. This in turn frees up loads of land and buildings once used as shops. In fact what we really should be thinking about is building our own automated delivery vehicles, so they become affordable and we provide jobs this way. This will be the new thing: making the machines that do the work. |
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Post by Bentley on May 25, 2024 12:21:58 GMT
So you admit that China did not modernise the MTR in Hong Kong. Good boy That's a line out of HongKong into mainland China . I’ve been on it 😉…I think .. The important thing for the UK is self-driving vehicles will be a huge boost to the national wealth. Look in any paper at the number of driving jobs there are and delivery people, or just look at typical M1 traffic and how much of that is commercial freight. Lorry drivers are paid 50+ grand a year. All this labour will be saved and can be re-employed to create wealth we never had before. It's what the yanks call a disruptive technology, because right now we pay about 3 quid for something to be delivered. That could drop to virtually nothing if the whole delivery process was automated end to end. If this were the case then we would buy everything online so there would not be any need for people to work in shops or supermarkets. You get a feedback loop where the more use online delivery the faster and more frequent the deliveries can be, so that means it is even better and even more use it. This in turn frees up loads of land and buildings once used as shops. In fact what we really should be thinking about is building our own automated delivery vehicles, so they become affordable and we provide jobs this way. This will be the new thing: making the machines that do the work. Come back when it’s not a pipe dream. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 25, 2024 12:24:03 GMT
The important thing for the UK is self-driving vehicles will be a huge boost to the national wealth. Look in any paper at the number of driving jobs there are and delivery people, or just look at typical M1 traffic and how much of that is commercial freight. Lorry drivers are paid 50+ grand a year. All this labour will be saved and can be re-employed to create wealth we never had before. It's what the yanks call a disruptive technology, because right now we pay about 3 quid for something to be delivered. That could drop to virtually nothing if the whole delivery process was automated end to end. If this were the case then we would buy everything online so there would not be any need for people to work in shops or supermarkets. You get a feedback loop where the more use online delivery the faster and more frequent the deliveries can be, so that means it is even better and even more use it. This in turn frees up loads of land and buildings once used as shops. In fact what we really should be thinking about is building our own automated delivery vehicles, so they become affordable and we provide jobs this way. This will be the new thing: making the machines that do the work. Come back when it’s not a pipe dream. With that attitude it will be. |
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Post by Bentley on May 25, 2024 12:32:06 GMT
Come back when it’s not a pipe dream. With that attitude it will be. What attitude is that ? Fawning over China , telling us that China modernise Hong Kong MTR when it didn’t ? Or maybe peddling pipe dreams that might happen decades away if ever . It’s like watching the Jetsons in 1970 and claiming the US had the technology for it to happen in 1975. |
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Post by jonksy on May 25, 2024 12:41:58 GMT
With that attitude it will be. What attitude is that ? Fawning over China , telling us that China modernise Hong Kong MTR when it didn’t ? Or maybe peddling pipe dreams that might happen decades away if ever . It’s like watching the Jetsons in 1970 and claiming the US had the technology for it to happen in 1975. BVL must be the only one on the planet who has a hand shandy over a map of China |
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Post by johnofgwent on May 25, 2024 13:17:20 GMT
So you admit that China did not modernise the MTR in Hong Kong. Good boy That's a line out of HongKong into mainland China . I’ve been on it 😉…I think .. The important thing for the UK is self-driving vehicles will be a huge boost to the national wealth. Look in any paper at the number of driving jobs there are and delivery people, or just look at typical M1 traffic and how much of that is commercial freight. Lorry drivers are paid 50+ grand a year. All this labour will be saved and can be re-employed to create wealth we never had before. It's what the yanks call a disruptive technology, because right now we pay about 3 quid for something to be delivered. That could drop to virtually nothing if the whole delivery process was automated end to end. If this were the case then we would buy everything online so there would not be any need for people to work in shops or supermarkets. You get a feedback loop where the more use online delivery the faster and more frequent the deliveries can be, so that means it is even better and even more use it. This in turn frees up loads of land and buildings once used as shops. In fact what we really should be thinking about is building our own automated delivery vehicles, so they become affordable and we provide jobs this way. This will be the new thing: making the machines that do the work. In August 1999 I had the delightful experience of watching forty tonnes of truck go straight into the back of a ford fiesta broken down on the M4 eastbound 600 yards west of the newbury turnoff The shattered car fuel tank spilled it's innards which ignited from the sparks caused by the scraping as the flattened car went under the cab. The blaze engulfed the tractor unit and ignited the god knows how many gallons of diesel in the tractor unit fuel tanks which also ruptured. The fireball was impressive and the wreckage covered all three carriageways The queue took four hours to be dispersed and that was only after the queue backed up most of the way past junction 15, when they finally decided to dismantle the central reservation armoured barrier to allow traffic to U turn They never did find out how many died in the fiesta. Too much fire damage. The degree to which this might recur with a driverless truck will ensure your pipedream never comes about. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 25, 2024 14:23:42 GMT
The important thing for the UK is self-driving vehicles will be a huge boost to the national wealth. Look in any paper at the number of driving jobs there are and delivery people, or just look at typical M1 traffic and how much of that is commercial freight. Lorry drivers are paid 50+ grand a year. All this labour will be saved and can be re-employed to create wealth we never had before. It's what the yanks call a disruptive technology, because right now we pay about 3 quid for something to be delivered. That could drop to virtually nothing if the whole delivery process was automated end to end. If this were the case then we would buy everything online so there would not be any need for people to work in shops or supermarkets. You get a feedback loop where the more use online delivery the faster and more frequent the deliveries can be, so that means it is even better and even more use it. This in turn frees up loads of land and buildings once used as shops. In fact what we really should be thinking about is building our own automated delivery vehicles, so they become affordable and we provide jobs this way. This will be the new thing: making the machines that do the work. In August 1999 I had the delightful experience of watching forty tonnes of truck go straight into the back of a ford fiesta broken down on the M4 eastbound 600 yards west of the newbury turnoff The shattered car fuel tank spilled it's innards which ignited from the sparks caused by the scraping as the flattened car went under the cab. The blaze engulfed the tractor unit and ignited the god knows how many gallons of diesel in the tractor unit fuel tanks which also ruptured. The fireball was impressive and the wreckage covered all three carriageways The queue took four hours to be dispersed and that was only after the queue backed up most of the way past junction 15, when they finally decided to dismantle the central reservation armoured barrier to allow traffic to U turn They never did find out how many died in the fiesta. Too much fire damage. The degree to which this might recur with a driverless truck will ensure your pipedream never comes about. I don't follow your reasoning, indeed your argument suggests the opposite conclusion. The others on this thread seem to have gone very childish, so no argument there either. I suggest we use Chinese LIDAR if they will let us. |
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Post by Bentley on May 25, 2024 15:02:37 GMT
In August 1999 I had the delightful experience of watching forty tonnes of truck go straight into the back of a ford fiesta broken down on the M4 eastbound 600 yards west of the newbury turnoff The shattered car fuel tank spilled it's innards which ignited from the sparks caused by the scraping as the flattened car went under the cab. The blaze engulfed the tractor unit and ignited the god knows how many gallons of diesel in the tractor unit fuel tanks which also ruptured. The fireball was impressive and the wreckage covered all three carriageways The queue took four hours to be dispersed and that was only after the queue backed up most of the way past junction 15, when they finally decided to dismantle the central reservation armoured barrier to allow traffic to U turn They never did find out how many died in the fiesta. Too much fire damage. The degree to which this might recur with a driverless truck will ensure your pipedream never comes about. I don't follow your reasoning, indeed your argument suggests the opposite conclusion. The others on this thread seem to have gone very childish, so no argument there either. I suggest we use Chinese LIDAR if they will let us. Posters tend to get ‘ childish ‘ when they question your slavish devotion to China and/ or Chinese technology. Are you sure it’s them that ‘ goes childish’? |
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Post by johnofgwent on May 25, 2024 17:18:30 GMT
In August 1999 I had the delightful experience of watching forty tonnes of truck go straight into the back of a ford fiesta broken down on the M4 eastbound 600 yards west of the newbury turnoff The shattered car fuel tank spilled it's innards which ignited from the sparks caused by the scraping as the flattened car went under the cab. The blaze engulfed the tractor unit and ignited the god knows how many gallons of diesel in the tractor unit fuel tanks which also ruptured. The fireball was impressive and the wreckage covered all three carriageways The queue took four hours to be dispersed and that was only after the queue backed up most of the way past junction 15, when they finally decided to dismantle the central reservation armoured barrier to allow traffic to U turn They never did find out how many died in the fiesta. Too much fire damage. The degree to which this might recur with a driverless truck will ensure your pipedream never comes about. I don't follow your reasoning, indeed your argument suggests the opposite conclusion. The others on this thread seem to have gone very childish, so no argument there either. I suggest we use Chinese LIDAR if they will let us. Well, my thoughts are these 1) i’m a software developer 2) i quite simply don’t trust automated vehicle operation full stop because i have personally made a wad of dosh proving the developers of such systems make mistakes 3) One lorry driven by a driver who made a fatal error that he paid for with his own life was bad enough to watch. Imagine what a thousand such caused by a thousand lorries with fatal errors in their autopilots will cause. Sadly we won’t be rounding up the developers and beheading them slowly though, so they won’t pay the way that driver did |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 25, 2024 17:55:31 GMT
I don't follow your reasoning, indeed your argument suggests the opposite conclusion. The others on this thread seem to have gone very childish, so no argument there either. I suggest we use Chinese LIDAR if they will let us. Well, my thoughts are these 1) i’m a software developer 2) i quite simply don’t trust automated vehicle operation full stop because i have personally made a wad of dosh proving the developers of such systems make mistakes 3) One lorry driven by a driver who made a fatal error that he paid for with his own life was bad enough to watch. Imagine what a thousand such caused by a thousand lorries with fatal errors in their autopilots will cause. Sadly we won’t be rounding up the developers and beheading them slowly though, so they won’t pay the way that driver did The answer to that is don't employ the fuckwits at ICL to do it. I know what British software is like because the twits can't even put a website together that works quite often. Our country really is going bloody stupid these days, but that does not have any bearing on the quality of software in other countries. China does not have all this software trouble, or at least I've not seen it. What I have seen though is the software bugger up on Volkswagen, Tesla and Jaguar. I've also seen our nuclear deterrent fuck up, our asteroid lander, our Virgin satellite launch, the Chinnock FADEC, NHS, Talk Talk... the list goes on forever.
What I do know is AI gets better the more you train it. This has been the game with the the Chinese, giving these systems copious amounts of quality training data, which is a laborious process, but they are good workers. Chinese are ranked top or second from top in the world in AI depending on who you talk to. In practice what I imagine we will get is units that are already programmed and you just bolt it in your vehicle and connect the sensors up. One of the easiest and safest first applications would be some sort of house ot house delivery bot, capable of 15mph and pretty lightweight and small. If we can run these around OK then we can work our way up to more critical applications, but I think parcel delivery would be a huge money spinner for the first firm to pull their finger out. Ocado are seriously considering it according to what The Times said.
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