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Post by Pacifico on May 24, 2024 6:42:48 GMT
What UK roads, unless it can dodge potholes it will fall apart in a week. That is precisely why autonomous vehicles will not be arriving any time soon. There are far too many variables that a computer cannot foresee or predict. |
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Post by Bentley on May 24, 2024 11:54:23 GMT
The trains in Hong Kong were unbelievably good .
I went there before China fucked them over .
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Post by Bentley on May 24, 2024 11:57:57 GMT
What UK roads, unless it can dodge potholes it will fall apart in a week. That is precisely why autonomous vehicles will not be arriving any time soon. There are far too many variables that a computer cannot foresee or predict. Exactly . As an aside , I asked my about AI and asked him his it might affect his job in the near future ( he’s a software developer). He told me that it can make things look better by jigging around stuff already done by people but isn’t in any meaningful way autonomous and makes a lot of mistakes . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 24, 2024 13:03:55 GMT
What UK roads, unless it can dodge potholes it will fall apart in a week. That is precisely why autonomous vehicles will not be arriving any time soon. There are far too many variables that a computer cannot foresee or predict. What they do is line up all these things in terms of how frequently they occur. Some issues will be present hundreds of times in a single journey, and as you work your way down this list you find you are dealing with scenarios that you see in one in a hundred journeys, to one in a thousand all the way past one in a million. You will never get them all, but at some point your performance is going to go beyond the capabilities of a human driver.
I looked up the situation regarding potholes and there is a YT video of an American in America with a Tesla and sure, it drives right over it and crunches the suspension. Then about two videos down we have some Tesla creep ad-type video saying hey Tesla here, guess what proles, from 2022 new software updates will scan for potholes and create a pothole map for the car computer to read.
Personally I don't rate Tesla self-drive software very highly. It has had a worse performance than Chinese firms have achieved, but there is one very important difference and it is to do with LIDAR. The LIDAR system was originally manufactured for military applications and it would retail for many tens of thousands of dollars according to the resolution you wanted, but costing more than the whole car. This is because it is a mechanical instrument of very high precision, similar to engineering a gyroscopic guidance system. However the Chinese invented a far cheaper version costing about 1000 dollars, and is so small that you can fit them to radio controlled model cars.
The problem for the Americans is when they created that entity list and banned Chinese firms the Chinese retaliated and banned the export of LIDAR to the US. This is why Tesla rely solely on cameras. You can often see it is a LIDAR car by the thing that looks like one of those old fashioned police lights on the roof. For example, Baidu have 500 robo taxis in operation right now and they use LIDAR. What you really do need to do though is use these cars, because every time you use a car it can train it, and the more road miles of training it gets the more scenarios it can learn to deal with. We had to go through the same process with ordinary cars. As something was noted to cause an accident the law would be changed to prevent other cases.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 24, 2024 13:05:35 GMT
The trains in Hong Kong were unbelievably good . I went there before China fucked them over . Hong Kong has MTR. They are still good and doing work in many countries now. |
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Post by jonksy on May 24, 2024 13:07:38 GMT
That is precisely why autonomous vehicles will not be arriving any time soon. There are far too many variables that a computer cannot foresee or predict. What they do is line up all these things in terms of how frequently they occur. Some issues will be present hundreds of times in a single journey, and as you work your way down this list you find you are dealing with scenarios that you see in one in a hundred journeys, to one in a thousand all the way past one in a million. You will never get them all, but at some point your performance is going to go beyond the capabilities of a human driver.
I looked up the situation regarding potholes and there is a YT video of an American in America with a Tesla and sure, it drives right over it and crunches the suspension. Then about two videos down we have some Tesla creep ad-type video saying hey Tesla here, guess what proles, from 2022 new software updates will scan for potholes and create a pothole map for the car computer to read.
Personally I don't rate Tesla self-drive software very highly. It has had a worse performance than Chinese firms have achieved, but there is one very important difference and it is to do with LIDAR. The LIDAR system was originally manufactured for military applications and it would retail for many tens of thousands of dollars according to the resolution you wanted, but costing more than the whole car. This is because it is a mechanical instrument of very high precision, similar to engineering a gyroscopic guidance system. However the Chinese invented a far cheaper version costing about 1000 dollars, and is so small that you can fit them to radio controlled model cars.
The problem for the Americans is when they created that entity list and banned Chinese firms the Chinese retaliated and banned the export of LIDAR to the US. This is why Tesla rely solely on cameras. You can often see it is a LIDAR car by the thing that looks like one of those old fashioned police lights on the roof. For example, Baidu have 500 robo taxis in operation right now and they use LIDAR. What you really do need to do though is use these cars, because every time you use a car it can train it, and the more road miles of training it gets the more scenarios it can learn to deal with. We had to go through the same process with ordinary cars. As something was noted to cause an accident the law would be changed to prevent other cases.
So what happens when these wonders of chinese junk science meet face to face on a country lane BVL....Which one will decide to back up for half a mile or more to allow the other one to proceed? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 24, 2024 13:18:09 GMT
What they do is line up all these things in terms of how frequently they occur. Some issues will be present hundreds of times in a single journey, and as you work your way down this list you find you are dealing with scenarios that you see in one in a hundred journeys, to one in a thousand all the way past one in a million. You will never get them all, but at some point your performance is going to go beyond the capabilities of a human driver.
I looked up the situation regarding potholes and there is a YT video of an American in America with a Tesla and sure, it drives right over it and crunches the suspension. Then about two videos down we have some Tesla creep ad-type video saying hey Tesla here, guess what proles, from 2022 new software updates will scan for potholes and create a pothole map for the car computer to read.
Personally I don't rate Tesla self-drive software very highly. It has had a worse performance than Chinese firms have achieved, but there is one very important difference and it is to do with LIDAR. The LIDAR system was originally manufactured for military applications and it would retail for many tens of thousands of dollars according to the resolution you wanted, but costing more than the whole car. This is because it is a mechanical instrument of very high precision, similar to engineering a gyroscopic guidance system. However the Chinese invented a far cheaper version costing about 1000 dollars, and is so small that you can fit them to radio controlled model cars.
The problem for the Americans is when they created that entity list and banned Chinese firms the Chinese retaliated and banned the export of LIDAR to the US. This is why Tesla rely solely on cameras. You can often see it is a LIDAR car by the thing that looks like one of those old fashioned police lights on the roof. For example, Baidu have 500 robo taxis in operation right now and they use LIDAR. What you really do need to do though is use these cars, because every time you use a car it can train it, and the more road miles of training it gets the more scenarios it can learn to deal with. We had to go through the same process with ordinary cars. As something was noted to cause an accident the law would be changed to prevent other cases.
So what happens when these wonders of chinese junk science meet face to face on a country lane BVL....Which one will decide to back up for half a mile or more to allow the other one to proceed? They have worse in China. They have a mountain lanes where one side is a 500ft sheer drop. Roads are generally more dangerous in China and experience a higher accident rate than the UK. Anyway, there is only one way to know, and that is to test it. I'm not into this prejudicial crap. I keep an open mind until I see it either works or not works. I think the Chinese would relish the challenge to make sure their products work on UK roads. They know there is good money to be made here if they do. The boss will say to staff, you stay here until it works. |
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Post by jonksy on May 24, 2024 13:23:11 GMT
So what happens when these wonders of chinese junk science meet face to face on a country lane BVL....Which one will decide to back up for half a mile or more to allow the other one to proceed? They have worse in China. They have a mountain lanes where one side is a 500ft sheer drop. Roads are generally more dangerous in China and experience a higher accident rate than the UK. Anyway, there is only one way to know, and that is to test it. I'm not into this prejudicial crap. I keep an open mind until I see it either works or not works. I think the Chinese would relish the challenge to make sure their products work on UK roads. They know there is good money to be made here if they do. The boss will say to staff, you stay here until it works. And what if one vehicle is an emergency vehice that is respnding to a shout? You haven't thought this through have you BVL? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 24, 2024 13:41:24 GMT
They have worse in China. They have a mountain lanes where one side is a 500ft sheer drop. Roads are generally more dangerous in China and experience a higher accident rate than the UK. Anyway, there is only one way to know, and that is to test it. I'm not into this prejudicial crap. I keep an open mind until I see it either works or not works. I think the Chinese would relish the challenge to make sure their products work on UK roads. They know there is good money to be made here if they do. The boss will say to staff, you stay here until it works. And what if one vehicle is an emergency vehice that is respnding to a shout? You haven't thought this through have you BVL? What I was referring to in the text in bold was when Huawei got those sanctions and the company faced bankruptcy. They had to engineer a whole new mobile operating system from scratch to replace Android, reputed now to be 100 million lines of code. The boss was not in a giving up mood and staff worked around the clock, sleeping in their offices. It was the kind of dedication the likes of which you will never see in your lifetime in British Industry and their union work to rule ideology. Now they are back in the game and aiming to overtake Apple, the US-sponsored monopolists.
Anyway, back to British roads. Firms like BYD will have all their engineers checking them on country lanes for sure. The great thing is our government have done the fair thing. They say if it works safely then you are free to trade. This is vital to give the firms confidence they wont be shafted by the likes if Ian Duncan Smiff. It's a straight technical challenge and may the best man win. The best man will likely be very rich.
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Post by jonksy on May 24, 2024 13:43:54 GMT
And what if one vehicle is an emergency vehice that is respnding to a shout? You haven't thought this through have you BVL? What I was referring to in the text in bold was when Huawei got those sanctions and the company faced bankruptcy. They had to engineer a whole new mobile operating system from scratch to replace Android, reputed now to be 100 million lines of code. The boss was not in a giving up mood and staff worked around the clock, sleeping in their offices. It was the kind of dedication the likes of which you will never see in your lifetime in British Industry and their union work to rule ideology. Now they are back in the game and aiming to overtake Apple, the US-sponsored monopolists.
Anyway, back to British roads. Firms like BYD will have all their engineers checking them on country lanes for sure. The great thing is our government have done the fair thing. They say if it works safely then you are free to trade. This is vital to give the firms confidence they wont be shafted by the likes if Ian Duncan Smiff. It's a straight technical challenge and may the best man win. The best man will likely be very rich.
You are talking shite as per usual BVL... |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 24, 2024 14:24:31 GMT
What I was referring to in the text in bold was when Huawei got those sanctions and the company faced bankruptcy. They had to engineer a whole new mobile operating system from scratch to replace Android, reputed now to be 100 million lines of code. The boss was not in a giving up mood and staff worked around the clock, sleeping in their offices. It was the kind of dedication the likes of which you will never see in your lifetime in British Industry and their union work to rule ideology. Now they are back in the game and aiming to overtake Apple, the US-sponsored monopolists.
Anyway, back to British roads. Firms like BYD will have all their engineers checking them on country lanes for sure. The great thing is our government have done the fair thing. They say if it works safely then you are free to trade. This is vital to give the firms confidence they wont be shafted by the likes if Ian Duncan Smiff. It's a straight technical challenge and may the best man win. The best man will likely be very rich.
You are talking shite as per usual BVL... No, it is just because you lack the knowledge to continue the conversation. |
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Post by Bentley on May 24, 2024 15:09:44 GMT
The trains in Hong Kong were unbelievably good . I went there before China fucked them over . Hong Kong has MTR. They are still good and doing work in many countries now. Hong Kong wasn’t a part of mainland China at the time .Afaik it wasn’t designed in mainland China . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 24, 2024 15:59:32 GMT
Hong Kong has MTR. They are still good and doing work in many countries now. Hong Kong wasn’t a part of mainland China at the time .Afaik it wasn’t designed in mainland China . I think it has been modernised a great deal since the Brits left. Apparently the subway dates back to 1904. MTR was a partial privatisation of a state-owned railway floated in 2000. It's considered one of the world's most reliable railways. It's also contracted on the Elizabeth Line in London. |
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Post by Bentley on May 24, 2024 16:04:16 GMT
Hong Kong wasn’t a part of mainland China at the time .Afaik it wasn’t designed in mainland China . I think it has been modernised a great deal since the Brits left. Apparently the subway dates back to 1904. MTR was a partial privatisation of a state-owned railway floated in 2000. It's considered one of the world's most reliable railways. It's also contracted on the Elizabeth Line in London. I don’t think it’s been modernised at all. I went there in 2018. It didn’t need modernising. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 24, 2024 17:34:04 GMT
I think it has been modernised a great deal since the Brits left. Apparently the subway dates back to 1904. MTR was a partial privatisation of a state-owned railway floated in 2000. It's considered one of the world's most reliable railways. It's also contracted on the Elizabeth Line in London. I don’t think it’s been modernised at all. I went there in 2018. It didn’t need modernising. |
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