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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 17, 2024 9:03:32 GMT
I have not seen a single poster on here support what Hamas did last October,what I have seen is people who criticise some of the actions of this Israeli government being accused of anti semitism... Let's be honest, one often spills over into the other. That's why Labour has had to repeatedly apologise for anti-Semitism in their party. Does "Our friends in Hamas" ring any bells? So when more rubber boats arrive with people displaced with a burning hatred for both Jews and the west as they believe us complicit in all this and bent on revenge we will take the crap for it... And I'm not aware of any rubber boats turning up from Gaza. At least Israel is taking the fight to its enemy. While the left in this country want to roll over. |
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Post by wapentake on May 17, 2024 9:22:14 GMT
I have not seen a single poster on here support what Hamas did last October,what I have seen is people who criticise some of the actions of this Israeli government being accused of anti semitism... Let's be honest, one often spills over into the other. That's why Labour has had to repeatedly apologise for anti-Semitism in their party. Does "Our friends in Hamas" ring any bells? So when more rubber boats arrive with people displaced with a burning hatred for both Jews and the west as they believe us complicit in all this and bent on revenge we will take the crap for it... And I'm not aware of any rubber boats turning up from Gaza. At least Israel is taking the fight to its enemy. While the left in this country want to roll over. I have no time for anti semitism in labour nor the latest Blair puppet,and whilst the rubber boats aren’t arriving from Gaza as it’s a bit far to paddle if the loons get their way they will be arriving in Europe then here. As I said in another post we have our own western culture and ways Islam has its own though buried deep in the Stone Age,I wish to preserve our culture theirs may catch up in a few hundred years to a more civilised way. In the meantime it’s when in Rome and if you don’t like what Rome has to offer then you should go where does. |
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Post by Dogburger on May 17, 2024 9:59:45 GMT
They had an independent Palestine , it was called Gaza and they fucked it up . Gaza has never been independent. 🙄 Thats right , because they rejected independence in 1948 . |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2024 10:03:08 GMT
In the meantime it’s when in Rome and if you don’t like what Rome has to offer then you should go where does. 52% said fuck Rome. |
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Post by wapentake on May 17, 2024 10:06:12 GMT
In the meantime it’s when in Rome and if you don’t like what Rome has to offer then you should go where does. 52% said fuck Rome. I’m not talking about the treaty of Rome but the well known saying,but of course you knew that. |
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Post by witchfinder on May 17, 2024 10:30:09 GMT
I have not seen a single poster on here support what Hamas did last October,what I have seen is people who criticise some of the actions of this Israeli government being accused of anti semitism which is nonsense and is the action of trying to close down any debate. It’s worth noting that the post by the sheeps has been largely ignored, but is not without some truth what is also ignored by a few is that in that Israeli govt there are some absolute nut jobs who see the goal of the promised land and will go to any lengths to secure it,I've said so before and will say it again if you're worried about our own societies having a growing Muslim population with a large section of fundamentalists the said nut jobs have declared more than once they would see the forced removal of the Palestinians and Europe should take them. So when more rubber boats arrive with people displaced with a burning hatred for both Jews and the west as they believe us complicit in all this and bent on revenge we will take the crap for it. Meanwhile on another front which has largely been overshadowed by these events things aren’t going well due to the actions of another nut job and president for life who must be ecstatic at how it’s all playing out in the Middle East,call it selfish or what you wish but I can’t see a better reason for supporting a two state solution than our own (the wests) preservation Thank You for injecting some COMMON SENSE into this debate The origins and root cause of just about all Islamic terrorist attrocities has been the Israel-Palestinian conflict, from the Munich Massacre at the 1972 Summer Olympics to 911. The way in which most ordinary Muslims see this conflict is an Israeli state which is 100% backed almost without question by the United States, who pour money and arms into Israel, who have then over the course of 65 years taken, annexed and stolen lands occupied by Palestinians. The ILLEGALY occupied territories are majority Arab populated, and have been for hundreds of years, Gaza is and always has been Palestinian, as has the West Bank. The Israelis COULD HAVE negotiated a two state settlement with moderate, reasonable Palestinian leaders such as Yasser Arrafat and others, but they didn't, they refused to agree the only possible solution. I stated in another topic that "the Israeli's reap what they sow" and its 100% true The Israeli's are helping to breed extremists within the Palestinians, they are responsible for whipping up extreme hatred and bitterness which has led to the murder of innocent Israeli people, they wouldn't agree to end the conflict with Palestinians who preaced non-violence. Yes - its the right thing to do, to condemn totally what Hamas did on October 7th, but its not enough, you must ask why did these extremists do this, and what can be done to ensure it does not happen again. FOR GODS SAKE - Think |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2024 10:37:38 GMT
I stated in another topic that "the Israeli's reap what they sow" and its 100% true ^^ He said it while kids and other civilians were being raped, slaughtered and captured by Hamas. All I see on this board are a minority of Hamas supporters who claim they don't support Hamas behaving illogically and changing their arguments to try and indoctrinate youngsters in the UK.
It isn't 100% true, it's only 100% true to those who embrace Hamas.
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Post by witchfinder on May 17, 2024 10:52:23 GMT
I stated in another topic that "the Israeli's reap what they sow" and its 100% true ^^ He said it while kids and other civilians were being raped, slaughtered and captured by Hamas. All I see on this board are a minority of Hamas supporters who claim they don't support Hamas behaving illogically and changing their arguments to try and indoctrinate youngsters in the UK.
It isn't 100% true, it's only 100% true to those who embrace Hamas.
Another of your ridiculous and pointless posts, you claim to be full of disgust at what Hamas did, but there is never a complaint from people like you at the THOUSANDS of innocent Palestinian children or women who have been killed. Its always one sided with people like you You are full of sympathy for one side in this dispute, but you have never offered an answer to it all You obviously dont understand, and refuse to comprehend what I wrote, same as always You ignore the fact that I have many times condemned what Hamas did on October 7th People like you have nothing to offer to this conflict, no answers, no solutions |
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Post by Pacifico on May 17, 2024 10:52:32 GMT
The Israelis COULD HAVE negotiated a two state settlement with moderate, reasonable Palestinian leaders such as Yasser Arrafat and others, but they didn't, they refused to agree the only possible solution. Er.. Yasser Arafat rejected a two-state solution. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2024 10:57:17 GMT
^^ He said it while kids and other civilians were being raped, slaughtered and captured by Hamas. All I see on this board are a minority of Hamas supporters who claim they don't support Hamas behaving illogically and changing their arguments to try and indoctrinate youngsters in the UK.
It isn't 100% true, it's only 100% true to those who embrace Hamas.
Another of your ridiculous and pointless posts, you claim to be full of disgust at what Hamas did, but there is never a complaint from people like you at the THOUSANDS of innocent Palestinian children or women who have been killed. Its always one sided with people like you You are full of sympathy for one side in this dispute, but you have never offered an answer to it all You obviously dont understand, and refuse to comprehend what I wrote, same as always You ignore the fact that I have many times condemned what Hamas did on October 7th People like you have nothing to offer to this conflict, no answers, no solutions You lie, post disinformation and do everything you can to excuse the actions of this proscribed terrorist network. You are a Hamas propagandist desperately trying to win people over to your anti-Israel cult. |
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Post by witchfinder on May 17, 2024 11:01:09 GMT
The Israelis COULD HAVE negotiated a two state settlement with moderate, reasonable Palestinian leaders such as Yasser Arrafat and others, but they didn't, they refused to agree the only possible solution. Er.. Yasser Arafat rejected a two-state solution. You are wrong Arrafat attempted to negotiate a Two State Solution with Israel He rejected the Israeli terms, which is not the same as rejecting a Two State Solution The Israeli's refused to give way on the return of East Jersusalem, they refused to allow the return of Palestinian refugees, they refused to dismantle illegal settlements which had been built in the occupied territories, and the Israelis also wanted the right to set up military bases inside Palestine, and use its airspace. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 17, 2024 11:14:34 GMT
Er.. Yasser Arafat rejected a two-state solution. You are wrong Arrafat attempted to negotiate a Two State Solution with Israel He rejected the Israeli terms, which is not the same as rejecting a Two State Solution The Israeli's refused to give way on the return of East Jersusalem, they refused to allow the return of Palestinian refugees, they refused to dismantle illegal settlements which had been built in the occupied territories, and the Israelis also wanted the right to set up military bases inside Palestine, and use its airspace. No - he rejected the proposal put forward by Clinton and walked away without suggesting any alternative solution. Whitewashing the continual rejection of peace by the Palestinians is not going to convince anyone of your good intentions. |
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Post by witchfinder on May 17, 2024 13:36:10 GMT
There are no records of the negotiations, either written, film footage or sound.
In the press statements in the aftermath of the failed negotiations it was merely stated what the Israeli Terms were, and that the terms were unacceptable to the Palestinians.
There was never any mention or suggestion that the terms were proposed by President Clinton
There is no alternative to having foreign military bases on your sovereign territory, other than having no foreign military bases.
There is no alternative to Israel keeping territory which it had STOLEN, other than to hand it back ( the Palestinians would have accepted "other alternative" Israeli land as a compromise.
There is no alternative to the request that ILLEGAL settlements built on STOLEN Palestinan land be dissmantled, other than to dissmantle them. The Palestinians would have accepted other / alternative Israeli land as a compromise.
The Palestinian demands were 100% fair and reasonable considering that they were simply asking for what was theirs in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2024 14:23:21 GMT
I reckon that it is indeed the case that many Muslims in this country will vote based upon policies which apertain to The Middle East, particularly the Israel - Palestine situation. Therefore it is up to political parties to decide whether or not to attempt to attract the Muslim vote, and I would say its a fairly easy and simple thing to do, push hard for the "Two State Solution", speak out against the killing of innocent civilians ( on both sides ), speak out against punishing innocent civilians, speak out against injustices.Where I believe many Muslims are wrong, is the insistence that it could somehow make any difference if the opposition Labour Party in Britain called for a cease fire, it would make no difference what so ever, and I personally believe that British Muslims should consider policies where Labour WILL make a difference, such as in our NHS, the economy, poverty, public services. Translation..let our foreign policy be led by the nose from an ethnic minority ( trying its hardest to become a majority)with a culture and world view stuck in the Middle Ages. Especially when it suits the lefties agenda . Jeez you loony lefties don’t even try to hide it . Of course not, they're very sick and depraved people. Keep in mind that he's also been praising Starmer. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2024 16:37:27 GMT
So a thread about the Muslim vote shows that the issue is Israel/Palestine and becomes another to and fro just like the others. witchfinder "You are full of sympathy for one side in this dispute, but you have never offered an answer to it all". There is no answer. |
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