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Post by Bentley on May 16, 2024 20:25:54 GMT
When lefties are caught out they deny it by using words such as “ popularist “, “right wing “ or “ conspiracy theory “ to denigrate the post or poster.
Sometimes they use all five .
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Post by sandypine on May 16, 2024 20:30:35 GMT
People have been saying for years that the left support immigration into the uK in order to use the new people as political weapon against the rest of the population (who they apparently despise).Witchie just outlines the whole thing as if it should just be uncontroversially accepted without qualm or fuss. So here we have yet another odd post, in which the poster switches from the topic at hand (The Muslim Vote), to Immigration, followed by a populist right wing conspiracy theory. The Muslim vote has been largely created by immigration. So the two are very interlinked. We all know things happen but if something happens that most people are uncomfortable with (and most people are uncomfortable with mass immigration) then one has to ask why is it happening and why is it continuing?Is it gross incompetence from 1997 onwards or is it a planned influx? So it may be conspiracy theory to you but it is a very pertinent question. |
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Post by johnofgwent on May 17, 2024 1:21:46 GMT
I find it rather odd that anyone would base their vote on a policy that is not within the gift of the UK Government to deliver. It is surprising to see how soon they find it in their gift when you start killing people to achieve your political aim. |
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Post by sheepy on May 17, 2024 5:20:04 GMT
So here we have yet another odd post, in which the poster switches from the topic at hand (The Muslim Vote), to Immigration, followed by a populist right wing conspiracy theory. The Muslim vote has been largely created by immigration. So the two are very interlinked. We all know things happen but if something happens that most people are uncomfortable with (and most people are uncomfortable with mass immigration) then one has to ask why is it happening and why is it continuing?Is it gross incompetence from 1997 onwards or is it a planned influx? So it may be conspiracy theory to you but it is a very pertinent question. It is and was all linked to American middle eastern foreign policy, which is controlled by AIPAC, it is all based on saying you are a friend of the US the UK does what it is told it will do, the middle east is being cleared of anyone who says that Israel is doing wrong while it is only interested in creating a plan for a greater Israel. Basically, everyone knows this. So, on the one hand they are using the US military and its allies to destroy whole nations, while with the other they are flooding the same nations with displaced Muslims and using any backlash from that as a platform for stirring up more trouble and more support for Israel. While Western governments are left holding the baby either way. Beware the American Zionist council, they are everywhere, and no western government has any control over it, it is the other way around. They have even highjacked the word populism for their own ends, although what they actually fear is the people taking back control of their own lives through politics and the stopping of governments saying they are doing it in the publics name. Which I might add is actual populism no government control without the consent of the people on any given major policy decision. |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 17, 2024 6:20:15 GMT
"Islamist movements in the U.K. have the same ambitions as their ideological allies elsewhere: the creation of an Islamic state governed by sharia law. However, in a Western country ambitions are inevitably more localized than in a Muslim-majority country. Therefore, Islamist groups focus on Islamization of individuals and communities; using the democratic process to gain political influence (often with support from politicians sympathetic to—or naïve about—their cause); undermining support for British countermeasures; fundraising for Islamist causes; and isolating and segregating British Muslims by propagating the notion of a Western war on Islam. Some British media outlets, human rights groups, and universities have aided the progression of Islamism in their own country by giving a platform to Islamist organizations and amplifying their messaging ..." www.heritage.org/europe/report/understanding-and-defeating-islamism-the-united-kingdom All that's happened of late is more of the Marxists have been indoctrinated with Islamism within the education system. It's happening as we speak and no one has the balls to challenge it for fear of losing their job or worse. Still, if people want this for their children and grandchildren then they must really hate them. Think you are confusing Islamists and Muslims here. |
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Post by Orac on May 17, 2024 6:37:12 GMT
"Islamist movements in the U.K. have the same ambitions as their ideological allies elsewhere: the creation of an Islamic state governed by sharia law. However, in a Western country ambitions are inevitably more localized than in a Muslim-majority country. Therefore, Islamist groups focus on Islamization of individuals and communities; using the democratic process to gain political influence (often with support from politicians sympathetic to—or naïve about—their cause); undermining support for British countermeasures; fundraising for Islamist causes; and isolating and segregating British Muslims by propagating the notion of a Western war on Islam. Some British media outlets, human rights groups, and universities have aided the progression of Islamism in their own country by giving a platform to Islamist organizations and amplifying their messaging ..." www.heritage.org/europe/report/understanding-and-defeating-islamism-the-united-kingdom All that's happened of late is more of the Marxists have been indoctrinated with Islamism within the education system. It's happening as we speak and no one has the balls to challenge it for fear of losing their job or worse. Still, if people want this for their children and grandchildren then they must really hate them. Think you are confusing Islamists and Muslims here. a red herring. Islam is both a religion and a (mandated by god) governance model. You could call it a compulsory governance model with spiritual component. |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 17, 2024 6:44:40 GMT
Except that the overwhelming majority of Muslims are not islamists.
If you are saying that the votes of Muslims is important, you'd be correct.
If you are saying the voice of Islamists is important, that's not correct. In fact I'd go as far as to say that Islamists wouldn't vote as they would see it as haraam.
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Post by buccaneer on May 17, 2024 6:51:13 GMT
You don’t even know what you post do you ? You basically posted that we should do what the Muslims want in order to attract their vote ….when it suits the leftie agenda . Now you are simply making things up Nowhere in any of my posts have I suggested or stated that that we should do what Muslim voters want I merely pointed out that many Muslim voters will pay particular attention to each political parties foreign policy in respect of the Middle East conflict. No different to Irish Catholics lobbying for their interests, or Scottish Unionists, or Jewish voters or environmentalists or Brexiteers, there are many interest groups who lobby politicians. There aren't many who threaten the lives of Labour MP's. Whereby the Speaker felt obliged and pressured to break parliamentary convention allowing the unusual motion of allowing an oppositional party to amend another motion from another opposition party. You are naive. |
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Post by buccaneer on May 17, 2024 7:00:46 GMT
I find it rather odd that anyone would base their vote on a policy that is not within the gift of the UK Government to deliver. That's the elephant in the room. And that's cultural enrichment for you. Fuck the NHS, education, employment/unemployment, tax, rights, living costs, and everything else that is paramount to the daily lives of people living in the Uk; and vote on some issue their long distant, ideological, sand dwelling cousin-natives have, that is not within the remit of the UK government to sort. |
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Post by Orac on May 17, 2024 7:01:44 GMT
Except that the overwhelming majority of Muslims are not islamists. The same red herring. Any Muslim could vote in good conscience if they believed that doing so contributed to the destruction / removal of western civilisation and the introduction of an Islamic governance model. They can also lie in good conscience to this end. |
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Post by Dogburger on May 17, 2024 7:52:29 GMT
Translation..let our foreign policy be led by the nose from an ethnic minority ( trying its hardest to become a majority)with a culture and world view stuck in the Middle Ages. Especially when it suits the lefties agenda . Jeez you loony lefties don’t even try to hide it . Another unashamingly highly prejudiced opinion Whether you like it or not, we have in this country British Muslims, equal to any other British citizen, and as with other special interest groups, they will lobby for their particular interests, nothing wrong in that, Unionists do it in Scotland and Northern Ireland, our Jewish citizens do it, Catholics and Nationalists do it in Northern Ireland. The Muslim Council of Great Britain campaigns for a Two State Solution, even George Galloway argues for a Two State Solution, as does the Labour Party. So what exactly is wrong about campaigning or lobbying for an independent Palestine alongside an independent Israel. ? They had an independent Palestine , it was called Gaza and they fucked it up . |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 17, 2024 7:58:42 GMT
Another unashamingly highly prejudiced opinion Whether you like it or not, we have in this country British Muslims, equal to any other British citizen, and as with other special interest groups, they will lobby for their particular interests, nothing wrong in that, Unionists do it in Scotland and Northern Ireland, our Jewish citizens do it, Catholics and Nationalists do it in Northern Ireland. The Muslim Council of Great Britain campaigns for a Two State Solution, even George Galloway argues for a Two State Solution, as does the Labour Party. So what exactly is wrong about campaigning or lobbying for an independent Palestine alongside an independent Israel. ? They had an independent Palestine , it was called Gaza and they fucked it up . Gaza has never been independent. 🙄 |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2024 8:36:51 GMT
Except that the overwhelming majority of Muslims are not islamists. The same red herring. Any Muslim could vote in good conscience if they believed that doing so contributed to the destruction / removal of western civilisation and the introduction of an Islamic governance model. They can also lie in good conscience to this end. It would explain Andrew's devotion to Tony Blair and Sadiq Khan.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2024 8:40:16 GMT
Except that the overwhelming majority of Muslims are not islamists. If you are saying that the votes of Muslims is important, you'd be correct. If you are saying the voice of Islamists is important, that's not correct. In fact I'd go as far as to say that Islamists wouldn't vote as they would see it as haraam. Islamism is political Islam. Scotland's ex-FM was encouraging political Islam. Sadiq Khan even worked for the Nation of Islam - a political and religious racial Islamist group in the USA. |
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Post by wapentake on May 17, 2024 8:49:35 GMT
I have not seen a single poster on here support what Hamas did last October,what I have seen is people who criticise some of the actions of this Israeli government being accused of anti semitism which is nonsense and is the action of trying to close down any debate.
It’s worth noting that the post by the sheeps has been largely ignored, but is not without some truth what is also ignored by a few is that in that Israeli govt there are some absolute nut jobs who see the goal of the promised land and will go to any lengths to secure it,I've said so before and will say it again if you're worried about our own societies having a growing Muslim population with a large section of fundamentalists the said nut jobs have declared more than once they would see the forced removal of the Palestinians and Europe should take them.
So when more rubber boats arrive with people displaced with a burning hatred for both Jews and the west as they believe us complicit in all this and bent on revenge we will take the crap for it.
Meanwhile on another front which has largely been overshadowed by these events things aren’t going well due to the actions of another nut job and president for life who must be ecstatic at how it’s all playing out in the Middle East,call it selfish or what you wish but I can’t see a better reason for supporting a two state solution than our own (the wests) preservation
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