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Post by piglet on May 27, 2024 10:16:32 GMT
We would still be hunter gatherers with this type of thinking. If i was a farm worker in 782, and someone said that invisible energies would revolutionise owt, i would not believe it. So what are the invisible energies?, electricity, gas, steam, radiation, etc.
Its harnessing what already exists.
Now take quantum mechanics into consideration, one particle can be in two places at once, all is linked, in contact, no matter how chaotic and far apart. Can i touch my toes with my fingers?, yes. Its just how, i bend my back.
I wonder if it really is that simple, that what underpins this is the thought that we know all there is to know.
We do not. Knowledge, and its pursuit will never end, there will always be more. Till we touch the stars, and beyond. Last night i was thinking along these lines, that me, this ape, has so much to do, learn, travel, in all ways.
Its overwhelming. Born into a moiling cauldron, and the task is too make sense of it. For what? Where is the an end? There isnt one, because existence cannot end.....if it is here, it will always be here. Welcome to eternity.....whatever it goes. This, the above, is lego for begginners.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 27, 2024 12:36:30 GMT
We would still be hunter gatherers with this type of thinking. If i was a farm worker in 782, and someone said that invisible energies would revolutionise owt, i would not believe it. So what are the invisible energies?, electricity, gas, steam, radiation, etc. Its harnessing what already exists. Now take quantum mechanics into consideration, one particle can be in two places at once, all is linked, in contact, no matter how chaotic and far apart. Can i touch my toes with my fingers?, yes. Its just how, i bend my back. I wonder if it really is that simple, that what underpins this is the thought that we know all there is to know. We do not. Knowledge, and its pursuit will never end, there will always be more. Till we touch the stars, and beyond. Last night i was thinking along these lines, that me, this ape, has so much to do, learn, travel, in all ways. Its overwhelming. Born into a moiling cauldron, and the task is too make sense of it. For what? Where is the an end? There isnt one, because existence cannot end.....if it is here, it will always be here. Welcome to eternity.....whatever it goes. This, the above, is lego for begginners. The issue you have is that in scientific terms we have already picked off all the low hanging fruit. Steam engine, Internal combustion engine, electricity, nuclear power etc are all several orders of magnitude easier to solve than FTL travel. Primarily because all of them could be solved within the relatively "closed system" of the earth where most things are ordered, non-chaotic and so reasonably predictable and repeatable. FTL Travel has none of that. Even if we could complete one FTL journey between point A and B, the next time we tried it we'd need a totally new set of calculations because A and B would have moved, in a non-predictable way because of the three-body-problem dodgydave highlighted. Now imagine that when it isn't a three-body-problem, its a three-million-body-problem. And even if we overcome all of that, and we could burn every joule of energy in our solar system running a super-computer to calculate all of that and still not get close, we have the single biggest problem, that Vinny has been asking for solutions to; there is not enough energy to make such a journey possible. Sure, we can nonchalantly claim "oh well, some new science will come along and solve that for us", which is fine, but really only amounts to "faeries will do it for us". Because, not only does that "new science" not exist yet, we don't even understand what knowledge it is that is missing to make that "new science" work, because we don't know what that "new science" will look like. Arthur C Clarke (he was a scientist before he was a sci-fi author) once said "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". The problem here is Baron is not talking about advanced science, he is talking about magic - that is why he can't back up any of his claims with even a hint of genuine science. All The Best
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Post by Vinny on May 27, 2024 16:23:15 GMT
Exactly. It would be lovely to live in a Star Trek semi utopia in which rapid intergalactic travel is possible and we can be friends with new life and new civilisations.
But there are just too many very obvious hurdles.
I would bet my life on there being other inhabited worlds out there with sentient technologically minded beings, the law of averages suggests there must be. But they are never going to be able to get to our planet nor us to theirs. Space is just too vast and the universe is observed to be expanding.
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Post by piglet on May 28, 2024 10:36:31 GMT
If the science as we know it does not add up, then new science knowledge is needed, as i mentioned before, if one line doesnt work start again. If all is known about the physical world, explain this.
Imagine a galaxy far far away, beyond lets say a thousand galaxies in the direction of the north star, or any direction. In a remote part of that galaxy, the equivalent of a small street in London, in a small bedroom in a small house, there is a speck of dust. That speck of dust is a moon, and that moon is connected to the earth, a thousand galaxies away.
Explain that.
You cant.
If the physical contents of the universe are insufficient to power owt,....then summat else is needed. As above, a law exists that connects all, what is that, its like the universe is a body, a single thing. Start there for starters.
Black holes, the laws we know end. To use petrol, radiation, steam to power space craft wont work, as you say, to continue on this path is folly. Im joking about petrol etc.
Stop assuming knowledge ends, space travel is a challenge, thats all. Will there come a day when we can visit the edge of the universe, and look beyond? You bet, and find our way back to where we came from? Who knows. The real reason life exists is to grow, learn. The earth is like a camp for training, it does seem like that, a school. The 1957 class is about to graduate, my class.
Which opens a new field of thinking, why? What is my destiny, what is yours, if we are to grow, develop, for what reason?
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Post by Vinny on May 28, 2024 10:43:17 GMT
Whereas the cult method is to start with a conclusion and throw away all evidence that challenges the conclusion.
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Post by piglet on May 28, 2024 11:28:32 GMT
Starting with a conclusion is required, all else is defeat.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 28, 2024 11:44:44 GMT
Starting with a conclusion is required, all else is defeat. Starting with the conclusion is not science, it is wishful thinking. All The Best
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Post by Dubdrifter on May 28, 2024 12:56:59 GMT
To return to the Theory I’m developing … that starts at the ‘Observation’ level in this cycle ….. there are observed possibilities of anti-gravity forces being present in thunderclouds … and positrons and other particles within this ‘electrostatic soup’ maybe creating a carrier effect that holds tons of water, snow, hail and ice aloft … for hours … when we know gravity should be applying it’s influence. The energy dynamic in this chart below seems to be delivering the levitation effect necessary here …. So when convection upwards seems relatively benign … why do these clouds retain aloft such large weights of hail stones up to 2 lb in weight ??etc. … that appear to be rising and falling repeatedly as they build up layers … before some electrostatic ‘trigger’ dumps the lot in a given location?? Geo weathering experiments since the 1940’s show scientists know the electrostatic principles going on here … and how to seed clouds to cause weather extremes. Note the toxic chemicals (silver iodide) they use to increase the droplet size of the rain => causes extreme hailstones … which they then use as an excuse to push climate change narratives … and damage economies with Green Taxes. (See my other thread on Chemtrails and geo-weathering for more details on these secret programmes) Here is the proof that ‘positrons’ may be in this equation … and may be influential in this particle soup … a levitation effect largely ignore by mainstream science?? It might explain why UFO’s are so often seen amongst storm clouds and volcanoes, power stations and tectonic fault lines where electrostatic forces are at their strongest. The clue to anti-gravity is with the technologists who have mastered it and know how to manipulate the energy sources that go with it. [Sometimes it takes a while for these sorts of ideas to seep thru into the general consciousness … like my “water on the moon rille erosion theory” that initially met with much opposition. Nobody is laughing about that now.]
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2024 13:13:53 GMT
Electromagnetism is not gravity. I know, why am I wasting my time?
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Post by piglet on May 28, 2024 13:15:21 GMT
No it isnt pro, if Cambridge University got the best scientific minds together they would need to decide on a goal, what do we want to achieve? If the professor in charge wrote interstellar travel on a blackboard you would walk out.
I would not. Your not addressing my view, if someone said im going to cross the atlantic in the year 538, guess what your response would be, your and Vinnys attitude is remarkable, self defeating, negative, nothing is addressed by such. Or achieved. I am addressing your view, that space travel cannot happen, can you afford me the same? and at least agree that it MAY be possible? If you disagree with that you are doubling down, i win, you are guilty of a lack of imagination, esprit de cor, and dare i say it.......
Interstellar travel is possible, light does it daily.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 28, 2024 13:59:18 GMT
No it isnt pro, if Cambridge University got the best scientific minds together they would need to decide on a goal, what do we want to achieve? Not how science works, Science follows evidence to a conclusion. You are starting with the conclusion and then, absent any evidence, inventing pseudo-science-fiction to create that conclusion. And if Cambridge got all the best scientists together they couldn't agree on what to achieve, because each scientific discipline has its own holy grail. All The Best
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Post by Orac on May 28, 2024 14:06:02 GMT
No it isnt pro, if Cambridge University got the best scientific minds together they would need to decide on a goal, what do we want to achieve? If the professor in charge wrote interstellar travel on a blackboard you would walk out. I would not. Your not addressing my view, if someone said im going to cross the atlantic in the year 538, guess what your response would be, your and Vinnys attitude is remarkable, self defeating, negative, nothing is addressed by such. Or achieved. I am addressing your view, that space travel cannot happen, can you afford me the same? and at least agree that it MAY be possible? If you disagree with that you are doubling down, i win, you are guilty of a lack of imagination, esprit de cor, and dare i say it....... Interstellar travel is possible, light does it daily. I have sympathy with this post. If someone claims interstellar travel is possible, or has happened, a lively discussion should ensue. I'm interested in the subject but can't find any discussion here atm.
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Post by Vinny on May 28, 2024 14:06:23 GMT
Science works by putting theories to a test and looking for evidence. Pseudo science works by ignoring all evidence to the contrary and selling nonsense.
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Post by Dubdrifter on May 29, 2024 7:46:26 GMT
Science works by putting theories to a test and looking for evidence. Pseudo science works by ignoring all evidence to the contrary and selling nonsense. …. and for the last 70 years … the U.S. Black Ops Deep State and Religious Cartels … that control Science funding and the Media … has brain-washed and conditioned respected scientists to turn away from anti-gravity science investigations …. and ignore evidence of civilisations that have travelled the distances necessary to reach Earth since before the times of Jesus … (and a host of other Space Gods embedded in our cultures for 5,000 + years). Scientists - if they wanted a ‘career’ - were forced to ignore the evidence … and were “sold the nonsense” there was nothing to see here.For so-called intelligent people … the manipulation/bullying they kowtowed to … is shocking. … but when you see respected scientists dying in large numbers … in mysterious circumstances … you steer clear, right?? Hopefully Disclosure will ‘wake them up’ to getting on the programme here …. and we can get to work figuring out cracking this anti-gravity phenomena … seen all over the World … from amazingly diverse visitors and extra-terrestrial residents hiding amongst us ….. cloaked by their advanced technology.
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Post by Dubdrifter on May 29, 2024 8:06:17 GMT
Returning to what these secret manipulators can already do with our weather …. Remember the extreme floods we saw in Dubai recently? … If you are wondering what caused them …. look no further than this: So we can see here what they’ve been engineering for 70 years … playing God. If they can manipulate weather systems to support and direct thousands of tons of water to drop in zones where it can hinder/destroy an enemy’s capability to fight or function (destroy food crops/create famines) … this is a powerful military weapon … that might be manipulating Nature’s ‘anti-gravity’ principle … that science ignored. Linked to electro-magnetism … and momentum … but with some hidden elements open scientists still need to figure out. [meanwhile, the people in Dubai need to sue their government and the technologists that wrecked their city. 🤔 ]
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