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Post by Dubdrifter on May 16, 2024 8:50:05 GMT
A few recent posts suggested there needed to be a dedicated thread to batting around theories in these fields … exchanging ideas. Whatever is dropped here might overlap what might be going on in secret classified projects around the World. … Any resemblance to those Projects and the information within is purely coincidental. I and others here are not knowingly privy to … and have no contact with those holding classified secret materials … that are not already in the Public Domain.All thoughts and theories on these topics come from the observations and theories of scientists, researchers, astrophysicists and serious ufo researchers who for over 70 years have always been at the cutting edge of these exciting discoveries … exchanging ideas on futuristic technologies flying around our secretive World. To kick things off … this question from B4 is worth consideration. Note the warp nacelles that are powered through a matter/anti-matter combustion engine to create a warp bubble. This method of propulsion exceeds light speed, but not by travelling at that speed (impossible) but by warping spacetime. This apparently avoids time dilation which occurs through conventional close to light-speed means. Tell me, Dubs, what method do the aliens use to travel such vast distances? Any theories? Please pitch in with any theories … while I cogitate a few ideas!🤔
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2024 9:17:37 GMT
I was just bored at the time, and if I wanted to create a thread about Star Trek I would have done so.
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Post by Dubdrifter on May 16, 2024 9:38:47 GMT
This needs to be in here … and might theorise your Star Trek warp drive system … and sort out your boredom issues. You haven't posted any evidence only urban myths and nonsense. If you want to talk about evidence, of the feasibility of faster than light travel, have a look at Miguel Alcubierre's thesis of warp drive, the mathematical formula for it, and the mass / energy requirements of it which so far have prevented realisation of the idea. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive#Mass%E2%80%93energy_requirementFurther work by NASA's Harold White suggests that energy requirements can be cut, by creating a torus shaped warp bubble and they're building an experimental unmanned warp drive to test whether the theory works. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_G._WhiteIf working Alcubierre drives could be made, all kinds of things become possible. But it still doesn't mean there are extra terrestrials flying across space just to leave crop circles.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2024 9:49:59 GMT
There's a clear distinction between science and fantasy. You're being illogical.
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Post by piglet on May 16, 2024 9:54:00 GMT
Im into star trek, im rewatching the next generation, and its a cracking hour. There was three books by Robyn Skinner many years ago about families and how to survive them, called that, it discussed family therapy.
Anyway it spelled out how we are born, and as we grow, we pass into higher and higher systems, for instance moving from a primary school to a secondary school.
Thats a big leap at the time, then onto work etc, all requires adjustment change.
The first episode of contact with the borg, thanks to Q highlighted this, that Qs insistance that human kind now has to grow up, that messing around with klingons,, the Romulans was over, and now it was kill or be killed, the advesary were superior. Its moving into a higher sphere.
Thats where the earth is, in a glactic neighbourhood, we are like Papuan New Gunieans, cant spell that, hardly dressed, shaking spears.
That our neighbours take no notice, till we become more. Like that Star trek film, when we develop warp drive, they will have to take notice, those up there.
And they are there.
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Post by piglet on May 16, 2024 9:57:32 GMT
Crossing the Atlantic was a fantasy, once. In a boat, with sails,no or little shelter. Its just a matter of time before we sail in the heavens, the only thing we need is the will to do it.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2024 9:59:11 GMT
Crossing the Atlantic was a fantasy, once. In a boat, with sails,no or little shelter. Its just a matter of time before we sail in the heavens, the only thing we need is the will to do it. So long as it's accepted as fantasy and not used to promote fear and paranoia.
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Post by Vinny on May 16, 2024 11:25:21 GMT
Crossing the Atlantic was a fantasy, once. In a boat, with sails,no or little shelter. Its just a matter of time before we sail in the heavens, the only thing we need is the will to do it. Will, without scientific understanding cannot achieve anything. Oceangate had will without any scientific basis, their failure killed. Any effort to cross the vast distances of space must be tempered with hard maths. The faster a vessel goes, the more damage a micro meteorite causes on impact. Force = Mass x Acceleration.
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Post by Orac on May 16, 2024 23:05:59 GMT
Why FTL creates paradoxes (with diagrams)
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Post by Vinny on May 16, 2024 23:49:14 GMT
That's NASA's theoretical Alcubiere warp ship. Alcubiere thinks the field would require so much energy it would burn up a star. And would produce so much radiation it would kill anyone inside the bubble.
Also, if it were possible to set a craft in motion using the Alcubiere system, it couldn't be steered.
It is very complicated, but at present no feasible method has been worked out.
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Post by johnofgwent on May 17, 2024 1:40:26 GMT
The main scientific interests in my generation of our extended family focussed on life sciences, but the interests of the next two generations have diversified into high energy physics
Frankly i understand very little if it and although my nephews have on several occasions tried to explain it, they fail
I am however reasonably confident in their account that what popular fiction calls a wormhole needs tbe piwer of a couple of dying suns to power it.
I’m buggered if i’m going to let anyone turn that on me unless their intent is to go one better than cremation and blast me straight to my quarks and gluons ….
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Post by Orac on May 17, 2024 6:10:28 GMT
If you put earth and Jupiter in the right position and held them in place with an unknown technology - and stopped earth falling apart with a unknown technology - we could launch rockets from the Earth in weightlessness
The Alcubiere drive is a bit like that, but less feasible
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Post by piglet on May 17, 2024 9:08:13 GMT
If it doesnt work it doesnt work, if that line of research fails, then start again. There was that photo of a starship sucking up energy from the sun sometime ago.
It wasnt dew in the morning, in can be done, its just how, maybe the man to create it hasnt been born yet, dont be impatient.
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Post by Dubdrifter on May 17, 2024 10:25:10 GMT
Why FTL creates paradoxes (with diagrams) By the 18th minute … I felt this guy … and his team of scientists and theorists from Columbia University were getting completely ‘entangled’ in a series of Einsteinian paradoxes … that lost sight of what we are trying to achieve here … getting across our Galaxy A=> B quickly … using anti-gravity devices and other technology. These are devices thousands of reliable witnesses have seen - close up … even touched and been inside, even travelled in already - (if scientists are permitted to believe them … and still have a respected career!) People have been damaged(burnt) touching or being close to working UFO’s on the ground. … this gives clues to some of the physics and energies/radiations involved … but different civilisations use varying technologies … so be aware different systems are at work here achieving different levels of inter-stellar travel. One theory doesn’t apply to all craft recovered … but one thing is certain …. …. 1) anti-gravity technology has been made and widely seen by thousands to work … and very well indeed (but not developed openly by our scientists outside secret projects). We need to rewrite our Physics … to explain how this works. … not waste time denying it’s reality. …. 2) inter-dimensional travel and/or short-cut travel through Space has already been proven to work … and it clearly isn’t harmful and doesn’t theoretically require impossible and damaging amounts of ENERGY. Meetings and information exchanges between Earthlings and extra-terrestrials for 5,000+ years have revealed some of these visitors come from distant star systems … of which we know very little … as our physics and flying ability is in it’s infancy … and still very primitive. We have our technology - radar tracking measures some of these objects that go much faster than 30,000+ mph in our airspace … so if these craft are ‘manned’ … and they stop and reverse instantly on a sixpence … inertia inside the craft doesn’t apply, gravitational forces don’t apply, … likely heat, and other radiations and matter won’t strike it’s surface to do damage at such colossal speeds …. otherwise they wouldn’t have survived the journey here thru the debris of Space… if Faster Than Light (FTL)travel was employed. …. Personally, I feel people are barking up the wrong tree here … and for long journeys through Space … FTL isn’t employed. It appears there are ‘short-cuts’ through Space which don’t require impossibly huge amounts of energy … or internal damage to travellers … that some want to imagine. So our theoretical physics is wrong on this too … we need to rethink this whole issue … and question which bits of Einstein’s and other scientist’s work is still relevant today. Extra-terrestrials seem more damaged by mis-treatment by U.S. Black Ops military … than by the journey getting here. So how do they do it? … anti-gravity and short cuts? … time to dig deeper! …
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2024 10:27:59 GMT
The main scientific interests in my generation of our extended family focussed on life sciences, but the interests of the next two generations have diversified into high energy physics Frankly i understand very little if it and although my nephews have on several occasions tried to explain it, they fail I am however reasonably confident in their account that what popular fiction calls a wormhole needs tbe piwer of a couple of dying suns to power it. I’m buggered if i’m going to let anyone turn that on me unless their intent is to go one better than cremation and blast me straight to my quarks and gluons …. I think this was covered in layman's terms on Stephen Hawkings Universe or Into the Universe with Stephen Hawking. I forget which one.
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