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Post by ratcliff on May 22, 2024 16:49:05 GMT
You don't agree with employers having to provide a workplace pension to all workers by law? There's not much benefit to workers from a workplace pension ? You want to make all reliant on the pittance of an OAP state pension How telling , totally naïve and vile Never said any of that. Want to continue jumping to stupid conclusions? Workplace Pension is a great idea - gambling it all on the stock market not so great. Of course the State Pension being so pitiful is a Political choice made by the Conservatives so they could reduce NICs and taxes on big-business and the really rich. All The Best How do you suggest that private pension funds should grow if not invested in the stock market? Brown destroyed DB pensions for the private sector , Private sector DC pensions need to grow (Remember that public sector pensions are completely different ) |
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Post by Pacifico on May 22, 2024 17:05:06 GMT
Not really - the rich lost massively through the collapse in the stock markets, whereas the poorest in society on welfare saw no change in their income. Income inequality fell during the financial crisis. That's a bit like pointing out that a benefit of Covid was that it cleared the shelves of many elderly!
A good thing about a Labour win would be that it would clear out the useless Johnson acolytes and worshippers. His inaction and lack of strategy to fight Covid resulted in “tens of thousands of deaths” which could have been avoided.
The Johnson government lacked urgency or direction. In December 2019 and January 2020, when TV showed Italian hospitals overflowing with Covid cases, it was not taken seriously. Up until mid-March 2020, the hare-brained plan was to pursue herd immunity and Chicken Pox parties. A lockdown at this stage could have saved tens of thousands of lives and avoided the suffering of more than a million people living with long Covid.
Will any Covid Inquiry remarks and observations be released before the election...?
The lockdowns were a disaster for the nation and the biggest mistake by a UK Government since Suez. The idea that the only thing that went wrong is that we didn't lock down more is pure insanity. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 22, 2024 17:06:37 GMT
You don't agree with employers having to provide a workplace pension to all workers by law? There's not much benefit to workers from a workplace pension ? You want to make all reliant on the pittance of an OAP state pension How telling , totally naïve and vile Never said any of that. Want to continue jumping to stupid conclusions? Workplace Pension is a great idea - gambling it all on the stock market not so great.
where would you invest it instead? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 22, 2024 17:07:54 GMT
Oh don't be so dramatic, Nulla - no one believes that I did anything of the sort.
Then they are as stupid as you - because you clearly wilfully altered a quote by me the LIE about my opinion. All The Best Nulla, you prat, no one believes that you actually said that.
It's called humour - perhaps get someone to explain it to you.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 22, 2024 17:10:37 GMT
Workplace Pension is a great idea - gambling it all on the stock market not so great... Long-term stock market investment is not gambling, Nulla. Shall we add finance to the long list of things of which you are apparently ignorant? |
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Post by zanygame on May 22, 2024 17:13:51 GMT
Yep. What I always get stuck on is discussing the HOW we do it. How do we maintain increased GDP and compensate for our aging population whilst cutting immigration. How do we pay the ever increasing medical costs of dementia patients and other age related diseases without bringing in ever more workers. No one will discuss the tax rises that would need, or the significant cutting of essential services (Not just rainbow crossings and ethnicity managers) People talk wildly about getting benefits claimants back to work, but that's pie in the sky. Most can't work and no business is going to take on the lazy buggers (who needs that hassle) I'm sure we can do it and I think its what we need to do, but it ain't free. Like many people you cite an aging population as a reason for importing hundreds of thousands of immigrants, but there's a lot going on here that supporters of mass immigration through ignorance or more likely design, never mention. Firstly and most obviously, immigrants get old too. Suggesting we need more immigrants to look after an aging population is advocating a pyramid scheme in which the government must increase the number of immigrants year on year. Yes ofcourse its a pyramid scheme. Every year another batch of young fit people bought in. It never ends, that's what we are seeing. Red Red old chap. I'm on your side in this, I want immigration stopped. I was not defending immigration, I was explaining why they keep doing it. Zany: I don't doubt it, a crazy result of the desperate need for nurses because its a shit job at the moment. Zany: Not interested in you racist conspiracy theory. I'll just discuss the real stuff with you. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 22, 2024 17:24:14 GMT
I don't use that quote method of replying ZG, too much like form filling. However, you appear to agree with me, for the most part anyway.
However, to describe my thoughts on the pace of change we have been forced to endure over the past 20 years as a 'racist conspiracy theory', is ridiculous. You really are running your left wing credentials up the flagpole for all to see.
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Post by zanygame on May 22, 2024 20:30:38 GMT
I don't use that quote method of replying ZG, too much like form filling. However, you appear to agree with me, for the most part anyway. However, to describe my thoughts on the pace of change we have been forced to endure over the past 20 years as a 'racist conspiracy theory', is ridiculous. You really are running your left wing credentials up the flagpole for all to see. It wasn't your thoughts on the pace of change Red. It was your stereotyping of Pakistanis and Sudanese peoples. Do you think everyone living in a shitty country is shitty themselves? That they long to escape the shitty country, but then long to bring it with them. I think that's stupid. That you think a whole race thinks like it is racist. Its as racist as saying all Brits are stupid football hooligans |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 22, 2024 21:11:33 GMT
It wasn't your thoughts on the pace of change Red. It was your stereotyping of Pakistanis and Sudanese peoples. Do you think everyone living in a shitty country is shitty themselves? That they long to escape the shitty country, but then long to bring it with them. I think that's stupid. That you think a whole race thinks like it is racist. Its as racist as saying all Brits are stupid football hooligans I wasn't necessarily stereotyping anyone, but I don't have the time or frankly the inclination to name every third word country. Of course not all people who, to use your vernacular, live in shitty countries are shitty themselves. But to import hundreds of thousands of people from countries thousands of miles away who do not share our language, beliefs, traditions, customs or way of life, is madness. If there was civil war in Wales would it be right to fly Welsh refugees to some Islamic country in the middle east? You will of course scoff and say that's ridiculous. But it's no more ridiculous than flying Muslim refugees from the middle east to the UK. I wish neighbouring Islamic countries showed as much empathy for Palestinians as a minority of lefties in this country do. |
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Post by zanygame on May 22, 2024 22:00:41 GMT
It wasn't your thoughts on the pace of change Red. It was your stereotyping of Pakistanis and Sudanese peoples. Do you think everyone living in a shitty country is shitty themselves? That they long to escape the shitty country, but then long to bring it with them. I think that's stupid. That you think a whole race thinks like it is racist. Its as racist as saying all Brits are stupid football hooligans I wasn't necessarily stereotyping anyone, but I don't have the time or frankly the inclination to name every third word country. Of course not all people who, to use your vernacular, live in shitty countries are shitty themselves. But to import hundreds of thousands of people from countries thousands of miles away who do not share our language, beliefs, traditions, customs or way of life, is madness. If there was civil war in Wales would it be right to fly Welsh refugees to some Islamic country in the middle east? You will of course scoff and say that's ridiculous. But it's no more ridiculous than flying Muslim refugees from the middle east to the UK. I wish neighbouring Islamic countries showed as much empathy for Palestinians as a minority of lefties in this country do. That's more moderate Red.  |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 22, 2024 22:17:34 GMT
That's more moderate Red. How very dare you. |
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Post by zanygame on May 23, 2024 6:24:46 GMT
That's more moderate Red. How very dare you. Lol. |
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Post by ProVeritas on May 23, 2024 10:54:59 GMT
Never said any of that. Want to continue jumping to stupid conclusions? Workplace Pension is a great idea - gambling it all on the stock market not so great.
where would you invest it instead? Call it what it is is: gambling, not investing. I'd only gamble with the Interest. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on May 23, 2024 11:06:09 GMT
Workplace Pension is a great idea - gambling it all on the stock market not so great... , Nulla. Shall we add finance to the long list of things of which you are apparently ignorant? Of course it is. It is possible to lose everything, including your stake - that makes it gambling. It is called "investing" to fool useful idiots into thinking it is a sure thing, it isn't. Not only can you lose it all because the shares lose their value, even if you've invested wisely you can still lose if the company puts out a Rights Issue and dilutes the value of what you thought you had. The great capitalist con of the 20thC was deluding the masses that "investing" is a good thing. It isn't. It is designed to Privatise the Profits and Socialise the Losses; it does the latter by getting the everyman to invest, either directly or indirectly through pension funds, and then when the crash happens the Government will step in to support the stock markets, ostensibly so the "everyman" does not lose everything, but actually to ensure the Rich gain even more. Every time a Government has so intervened in the Stock Market it has seen a MASSIVE transfer of wealth from the Poor to the Rich. Which is the real purpose of the Stock Market: Keeping the Poor poor, is the ONLY way to keep the Rich rich. It is not me who is ignorant of the way the Stock Market works, it is you. All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on May 23, 2024 11:07:42 GMT
where would you invest it instead? Call it what it is is: gambling, not investing. I'd only gamble with the Interest. All The Best well you can call it whatever you like but you didnt answer my question - where would you put the funds instead? |
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