‘Scexit' is dead in the water...

The puffed up and dangerously misguided patriotism of far too many Scexiters was every bit as evident amongst Brexiters. That was obvious from daily broadcasts during the referendum campaign and, even more so, in the years of acrimony following the referendum, and from regular trips down south to towns I thought I knew well during the referendum campaign where the level of Brexiter jingoism was frightening; as bad or even worse as things were up here from the Scexiters during the final stages of the indyref a couple of years before when many NO voters felt intimidated and unable to declare their voting intention. If you didn’t recognise it then I assume that you must have been far too close to it and to its sentiments because it was tangible and disturbing.

The Scot Nats argument definitely did not and does involve much, if anything, about the English moving into Scotland although there are small pockets of resentment in localities where locals are priced out of the market by people moving into, or back into, Scotland from rUK and from overseas. Their gripe is much more (1) that despite the high levels of UK immigration, Scotland is getting very little of that (in their view a unionist plot to keep Scotland down and hold it back, presumably) and (2) that we can’t retain enough of our own people , particularly our brightest and our best (presumably another unionist plot to keep Scotland down and hold it back).

I saw what I described above. There was no what I thought I saw about it. If you didn’t see it then, as I also said above, you were probably too close to the sentiments and attitudes on display to recognise them for what they were.

No, as I have already said, I saw much the same phenomenon as I see with Scexit, where “those advocating change pressed the patriotic/quasi-racist buttons of the politically inert and disinterested and whipped them into action by telling them that Johnny Foreigner or Tommy English was controlling their ‘country’ and deciding what we can and cannot do, that our ‘country’ and our interests were being sidelined by being part of a larger entity, that all of our problems stemmed from this (including immigration/emigration), and that if we could only take back control then everything would be ticketyboo”

As you say, there are nutters everywhere. However, Scexit did not nearly win the day, nor does Scexit remain a clear and present danger to the well-being of Scots, because of SNat nutters (or, at least no more than Brexit won the day because of BNat nutters), and SNat nutters are not the reason why so many Scots support independence either.

I have already agreed that Brexit and Scexit were situationally different yet all you have done above is focus on the situational. Here’s what I said in my earlier post above. “Scexiters have their own particular bag of grievances and prejudices, germane to the Scottish perspective rather than the (largely) English perspective.. Brexit and Scexit are situationally different (obviously) but the attitudes, motivations, and behaviours of the crucial mass of Brexiters and Scexiters are very similar”.

I voted for the UK to leave the European Union and the main reason that I did so was because I felt the European style of big state imposing never ending rules and regulations did not attract me. I was spending part of my working life in Europe, mainly Germany also France and the Netherlands, whilst I liked some of the life style there was much I didn't. 
I want to live in a country where I can light a bonfire on a Sunday, modify my motorcycle and not pay 50% of my wages to fund local bureaucracy. 

It appears that the more vocal parochial Scots who support Scottish separation do so for different reasons, a mistaken belief that they will be better off, will enjoy an enhanced benefit system and also a unconcealed hatred of the English.  So different reasons entirely.

Scotland wished to join the Union because it was broke and needed English money, England wanted a Union to secure its northern border and increase security, three hundred years later nothing much has changed, Scotland would still be skint, and Westminster needs Scotland to house the submarines and nuclear warheads, funding Scottish welfare is a reasonable price to pay.

England will not grant independence for the above reason, also the USA would not allow it as the submarine deterrent forms part of their own security, so separation simply won't be allowed whatever local Government in Scotland might wish. 

I read today that the French authorities are not displaying the Union Flag at their D Day celebrations, ( celebrations being attended by the Russians incidentally), this action does demonstrate why we are better off building our relationships with the USA, the Pacific countries and south Asia. Europe is not doing well and we are better out of it, why Scotland might wish to join it defies reason.

I’ve always had the feeling that France likes to marginalise the UK at every opportunity,whether inside or outside the EU …unless they directly gain from it.
You have to remember that you are a not typical brexiter. Remainers like to tell us that leavers are the old and ‘ less intelligent’ in our society while not being intelligent enough themselves to realise it’s those very people who gained less from EU membership than everyone else .

I don’t need to be reminded how I introduced myself on the old forum, but for the umpteenth time, you apparently do. What I described my position to be then is pretty much what I have repeatedly described my position to be ever since then, and pretty much what I describe my position to be now. That you seem to think otherwise despite me explaining this to you on a regular basis in response to your routinely repeated false accusations demonstrates how thick and/or how unhinged you are. The only difference between then and now is that, having repeatedly asked you and other Indy types for a credible and robust economic plan for an Indy Scotland, one which stands up to scrutiny and one that backs up your claims that, far from inflicting long-term financial devastation upon ourselves as all financial logic and evidence suggests, we would be financially better off going it alone, you have produced nothing remotely credible in response. You would think that it would be incredibly easy for anyone who supports independence and who claims that we would be economically better off if we were independent to respond to this because surely they could not be so thick as to make claims and to support a proposal that they can’t substantiate. Incredibly, however, that very much appears to be the case because neither you nor any other Indy supporter has been able to produce anything whatsoever that comes close to this which increasingly leads me to 2 conclusions I.e. (1) there is no credible economic case for independence and (2) you are so consumed by your Indy zealot views that you want independence no matter the cost and no matter the hardship this inflicts upon the self same Scottish people whom you risibly claim to represent and to champion.

Where have I confessed to being a ‘rabid ultra unionist’? I repeatedly explain on here that I am strongly opposed to independence on economic grounds, and on economic grounds alone, and that I have no ideological leanings either way. As Unionism is an ideology it follows that I cannot be a Unionist, rabid ultra or otherwise. Just show me the credible and robust economic plan for independence that I keep asking for if you have it and nothing will hold me back from supporting it.

And yes, I always find a reason not to support Scotland’s independence and it is always the same reason I.e. it would bring economic devastation down upon us all. That seems like a pretty good reason to me.

As for seeming happy to align myself with the BritNats on this forum speaking volumes, it is not surprising that a bigoted zealot, one who apparently cannot think for himself but slavishly follows the Indy Zealot Handbook in everything he says, see things in these partisan terms. Unlike you, I am able to think for myself and speak for myself and if others like what I say or don’t like what I say then so be it.