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Post by dodgydave on May 16, 2024 2:52:14 GMT
Better for who exactly? Better for the women who were LEGALLY beaten and raped by their husbands? Women couldn't even get a mortgage or a loan unless a man countersigned for it 50 years ago! Was it better for women, homosexuals, the disabled, non-white people... who could be legally discriminated against in the work place? How about "working class" kids, do you think many of them went to university 50 years ago? Would you rather have had cancer, heart disease, or a serious health problem 50 years ago? lol. Did you go on foreign holidays 50 years ago, or did you spend a week at some shite UK seaside town? lol. Quite frankly, you are historically illiterate for even suggesting life was better 50 years ago. Women are still abused by men apparently. You are alluding to abusing women as the norm . You are wrong . Many women were in stable marriages and didnt need to get a mortgage . It’s difficult for anyone to get a mortgage now. Minorities were discriminated against , true . Working class kids could become highly skilled.well paid individuals without degrees . Degrees are a but if a con tbh. Medicine was not as advanced in the 70s true . My brother and sister was going on holidays in Spain in the 60s/ early 70s. People go to shite UK seaside towns in holiday now . It’s not him that’s historicallly illiterate. It’s you . Utter rubbish. Disposable income has risen dramatically in the last 50 years. People take far more foreign holidays, they own more cars, have nicer clothes, and own gadgets galore. House prices are partly so high because it has been so easy to get a mortgage... so easy that you can get multiple and then let some of them out. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 16, 2024 6:42:41 GMT
Domestic violence is just as prevalent now as it was then - and as for going to University, how does saddling these kids with massive debts that they will never be in a position to pay off help?. 50 years ago a working class kid could leave school - get a (paid) apprenticeship, then earn a good wage and actually be able to afford to buy their own house in their early 20's. Now they are stuck living with Mum and Dad into their 30's. Healthcare - we could see a GP who knew us by name who would even come to our house if we were sick. Obesity, Diabetes and mental health diseases were much lower. Homosexuality was legal, Women were treated better and migrants were more of a novelty in most of the country than seen as a threat. Only someone who didn't live through it would claim that life was not better. Again better for who? You historical knowledge and social awareness is shockingly bad. 50 years ago it was SOCIALIALLY ACCEPTABLE to beat your wife and you could not be charged with raping your own wife. Homosexuality was only legal under very strict circumstances and the police actively targeted gay people up until the late 1990s eg by raiding gay bars, and charging people with gross indecency. Children have far more opportunities now and they are not boxed into a class system. There is no such thing as "free". Graduates earn more, so why shouldn't they pay University Fees instead of expecting to be subsidized by people with low paid jobs? Really? - I grew up in East London and it was certainly not socially acceptable there. Where are you getting these bizarre views from? Sounds like something you read in the Guardian. |
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Post by sandypine on May 16, 2024 7:52:41 GMT
Domestic violence is just as prevalent now as it was then - and as for going to University, how does saddling these kids with massive debts that they will never be in a position to pay off help?. 50 years ago a working class kid could leave school - get a (paid) apprenticeship, then earn a good wage and actually be able to afford to buy their own house in their early 20's. Now they are stuck living with Mum and Dad into their 30's. Healthcare - we could see a GP who knew us by name who would even come to our house if we were sick. Obesity, Diabetes and mental health diseases were much lower. Homosexuality was legal, Women were treated better and migrants were more of a novelty in most of the country than seen as a threat. Only someone who didn't live through it would claim that life was not better. Again better for who? You historical knowledge and social awareness is shockingly bad. 50 years ago it was SOCIALIALLY ACCEPTABLE to beat your wife and you could not be charged with raping your own wife. Homosexuality was only legal under very strict circumstances and the police actively targeted gay people up until the late 1990s eg by raiding gay bars, and charging people with gross indecency. Children have far more opportunities now and they are not boxed into a class system. There is no such thing as "free". Graduates earn more, so why shouldn't they pay University Fees instead of expecting to be subsidized by people with low paid jobs? Now for some 'Brits' it is not only religious acceptable but religiously mandated to beat your wife. Perhaps we have come a long way. |
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Post by Bentley on May 16, 2024 9:04:28 GMT
Women are still abused by men apparently. You are alluding to abusing women as the norm . You are wrong . Many women were in stable marriages and didnt need to get a mortgage . It’s difficult for anyone to get a mortgage now. Minorities were discriminated against , true . Working class kids could become highly skilled.well paid individuals without degrees . Degrees are a but if a con tbh. Medicine was not as advanced in the 70s true . My brother and sister was going on holidays in Spain in the 60s/ early 70s. People go to shite UK seaside towns in holiday now . It’s not him that’s historicallly illiterate. It’s you . Utter rubbish. Disposable income has risen dramatically in the last 50 years. People take far more foreign holidays, they own more cars, have nicer clothes, and own gadgets galore. House prices are partly so high because it has been so easy to get a mortgage... so easy that you can get multiple and then let some of them out. Nonsense . It’s harder to get a mortgage now than it was in the 60s/ 70s . It’s well known that house prices are higher per yearly income than at that time . It was common for a family to survive on single income and a couple to get engaged at 18 and buy get a mortgage on a house by 21 and be living on the husbands income after a couple of years after that. ” They” own more cars because more women drive and more women drive because more women need to drive to work. Claiming that life is better because’ gadgets’ , cheap holidays abroad and cheap tat from Primark is cringingly shallow. |
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Post by Orac on May 16, 2024 10:01:46 GMT
Utter rubbish. Disposable income has risen dramatically in the last 50 years. People take far more foreign holidays, they own more cars, have nicer clothes, and own gadgets galore. House prices are partly so high because it has been so easy to get a mortgage... so easy that you can get multiple and then let some of them out. Nonsense . It’s harder to get a mortgage now than it was in the 60s/ 70s . It’s well known that house prices are higher per yearly income than at that time . It was common for a family to survive on single income and a couple to get engaged at 18 and buy get a mortgage on a house by 21 and be living on the husbands income after a couple of years after that. Economic Sterilisation. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 16, 2024 10:34:59 GMT
Utter rubbish. Disposable income has risen dramatically in the last 50 years. People take far more foreign holidays, they own more cars, have nicer clothes, and own gadgets galore. House prices are partly so high because it has been so easy to get a mortgage... so easy that you can get multiple and then let some of them out. Nonsense . It’s harder to get a mortgage now than it was in the 60s/ 70s . It’s well known that house prices are higher per yearly income than at that time . It was common for a family to survive on single income and a couple to get engaged at 18 and buy get a mortgage on a house by 21 and be living on the husbands income after a couple of years after that. Of course that touches on another issue - many people nowdays who do take out mortgages are doing so later in life and for longer terms, with the result that they will still be paying for the house when they retire out of their pension. A pension that is not as good as those on offer 50 years ago where most people were members of a final salary scheme rather than the current money purchase ones that offer lower pensions. |
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Post by Bentley on May 16, 2024 11:43:37 GMT
I bought a flat with my wife in 1980. There was some credit control regulations that made getting a mortgage quite difficult .
In the end the seller asked his mate who was a manager at Abbey National to help me ….and that was the rub. If I had started a building society account a couple of years earlier ( and saved some money) there would have been no problem.
That’s what couples did . It was difficult to get into the kind of debt that nowadays is regarded as normal then.
Iirc houses cost about 4 times the av yearly wage then and about 7or 8 times that now.
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