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Post by wapentake on May 15, 2024 5:04:57 GMT
I don't think there is any need for conspiracy theories when the potentially catastrophic consequences of the nexus between the long-term deterioration in climatic conditions and out of control population growth in those areas most affected are so glaringly obvious. We don't need scientists or spreadsheets to explain the likely consequences and it is madness to avoid taking preventative action until the catastrophe is actually at our door. The catastrophe at the door is population. The AGW and the 'need' to achieve 'net zero' is a politically inspired goal that has no basis in actual science with more and more research indicating that the assumptions surrounding it are poorly made but religiously followed. And there we have it,climate change is the new religion and all those who don’t follow the New Testament that is net zero are like times of old labelled apostates. Meanwhile the utter inability to act on the movement of people will see another religion and a Stone Age one at that threaten the western culture which is already being dismantled from within. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 15, 2024 6:49:01 GMT
I would certainly suggest that life was better 50 years ago. Then a bus driver with a wife and 2 kids could buy a house on his salary alone, there was no social media corrupting kids, you could see a GP the same day, you had a Bank Manager who knew you by name, there was no tsunami of mental health issues (aspergers, ADHD, the spectrum, transgender etc etc.). I'd be interested to see why you believe life is better today. Better for who exactly? Better for the women who were LEGALLY beaten and raped by their husbands? Women couldn't even get a mortgage or a loan unless a man countersigned for it 50 years ago! Was it better for women, homosexuals, the disabled, non-white people... who could be legally discriminated against in the work place? How about "working class" kids, do you think many of them went to university 50 years ago? Would you rather have had cancer, heart disease, or a serious health problem 50 years ago? lol. Did you go on foreign holidays 50 years ago, or did you spend a week at some shite UK seaside town? lol. Quite frankly, you are historically illiterate for even suggesting life was better 50 years ago. Domestic violence is just as prevalent now as it was then - and as for going to University, how does saddling these kids with massive debts that they will never be in a position to pay off help?. 50 years ago a working class kid could leave school - get a (paid) apprenticeship, then earn a good wage and actually be able to afford to buy their own house in their early 20's. Now they are stuck living with Mum and Dad into their 30's. Healthcare - we could see a GP who knew us by name who would even come to our house if we were sick. Obesity, Diabetes and mental health diseases were much lower. Homosexuality was legal, Women were treated better and migrants were more of a novelty in most of the country than seen as a threat. Only someone who didn't live through it would claim that life was not better. |
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Post by Dan Dare on May 15, 2024 7:01:52 GMT
Of course over-population is not just a problem caused by dusky foreigners, it's happening closer to home as well.
Global population density is about 50 per km2. In England it's 438 and increasing at around 0.7% annually, not so very different from the current global rate of 0.8%.
It's often said that first world farmers are fueling the third-world population explosion but they're fueling third-world style growth in places like England too where the population has long exceeded sustainable levels.
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Post by Orac on May 15, 2024 7:59:24 GMT
I don't think there is any need for conspiracy theories when the potentially catastrophic consequences of the nexus between the long-term deterioration in climatic conditions and out of control population growth in those areas most affected are so glaringly obvious. We don't need scientists or spreadsheets to explain the likely consequences and it is madness to avoid taking preventative action until the catastrophe is actually at our door. The catastrophe at the door is population. The AGW and the 'need' to achieve 'net zero' is a politically inspired goal that has no basis in actual science with more and more research indicating that the assumptions surrounding it are poorly made but religiously followed. The climate claim and the immigration right claim are both designed to crash western civilisation and to turn the whole world into a 3rd world plantation with no agency or autonomy. |
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Post by sandypine on May 15, 2024 8:06:50 GMT
I would certainly suggest that life was better 50 years ago. Then a bus driver with a wife and 2 kids could buy a house on his salary alone, there was no social media corrupting kids, you could see a GP the same day, you had a Bank Manager who knew you by name, there was no tsunami of mental health issues (aspergers, ADHD, the spectrum, transgender etc etc.). I'd be interested to see why you believe life is better today. Better for who exactly? Better for the women who were LEGALLY beaten and raped by their husbands? Women couldn't even get a mortgage or a loan unless a man countersigned for it 50 years ago! Was it better for women, homosexuals, the disabled, non-white people... who could be legally discriminated against in the work place? How about "working class" kids, do you think many of them went to university 50 years ago? Would you rather have had cancer, heart disease, or a serious health problem 50 years ago? lol. Did you go on foreign holidays 50 years ago, or did you spend a week at some shite UK seaside town? lol. Quite frankly, you are historically illiterate for even suggesting life was better 50 years ago. 50 years ago takes us back to 1974, so race relations bill was law and homosexual relations were legal. To my recall a woman's wage could be considered and she could get a mortgage in her own right. Not sure about the rape in marriage or beating aspect. Working class kids had many better chances 50 years ago as grants were available for the low paid and certainly technical colleges offered vocational and diploma courses suitable for use in all aspects of engineering and technology as well as trade skills. Tradesmen in the 70s made excellent money and there was no shortage when homeowners were seeking work done. Grants were available to update the housing stock and communities abounded where families lived close to each other for mutual support although council policies did not consider local connections important and any incomer (British or foreign) only needed to show a greater need and could be housed. Broadly opportunities were greater for most and education was all round good, families were important and trust in health professionals to consider the health of individuals much greater. Obviously health issues have changed and survival rates for cancers are much greater but we generally ate healthy food because that was what was available and we ate seasonally in the main relishing spring greens, new potatoes and Christmas drumhead. Most of us ate our sprouts but smoked too much despite knowing it was bad for us. They were not Halcyon days but they had many advantages of values that we do not have today. The big question is how were those values lost. |
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Post by Orac on May 15, 2024 8:23:52 GMT
I think you have to go a long way back to find a situation in which it was actually perfectly legal for man to assault his wife. There might have been grey areas for domestic disputes etc (there maybe still is).
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Post by oracle75 on May 15, 2024 8:53:18 GMT
TBH if I lived in the UK I would think about giving up too.
Chin up...you are receiving a lot of pity
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2024 9:09:43 GMT
TBH if I lived in the UK I would think about giving up too. Chin up...you are receiving a lot of pity I wouldn't worry about it. I'm sure Macron's main concern is figuring out the best method for supporting the East when they charge toward the West. Should he wave a white flag or a Russian flag?
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Post by buccaneer on May 15, 2024 9:54:24 GMT
TBH if I lived in the UK I would think about giving up too. Chin up...you are receiving a lot of pity I wouldn't worry about it. I'm sure Macron's main concern is figuring out the best method for supporting the East when they charge toward the West. Should he wave a white flag or a Russian flag?
It's no better in France. The grass isn't always greener. England doesn't have what seems ongoing social problems like France constantly does. |
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Post by Bentley on May 15, 2024 9:56:16 GMT
I would certainly suggest that life was better 50 years ago. Then a bus driver with a wife and 2 kids could buy a house on his salary alone, there was no social media corrupting kids, you could see a GP the same day, you had a Bank Manager who knew you by name, there was no tsunami of mental health issues (aspergers, ADHD, the spectrum, transgender etc etc.). I'd be interested to see why you believe life is better today. Better for who exactly? Better for the women who were LEGALLY beaten and raped by their husbands? Women couldn't even get a mortgage or a loan unless a man countersigned for it 50 years ago! Was it better for women, homosexuals, the disabled, non-white people... who could be legally discriminated against in the work place? How about "working class" kids, do you think many of them went to university 50 years ago? Would you rather have had cancer, heart disease, or a serious health problem 50 years ago? lol. Did you go on foreign holidays 50 years ago, or did you spend a week at some shite UK seaside town? lol. Quite frankly, you are historically illiterate for even suggesting life was better 50 years ago. Women are still abused by men apparently. You are alluding to abusing women as the norm . You are wrong . Many women were in stable marriages and didnt need to get a mortgage . It’s difficult for anyone to get a mortgage now. Minorities were discriminated against , true . Working class kids could become highly skilled.well paid individuals without degrees . Degrees are a but if a con tbh. Medicine was not as advanced in the 70s true . My brother and sister was going on holidays in Spain in the 60s/ early 70s. People go to shite UK seaside towns in holiday now . It’s not him that’s historicallly illiterate. It’s you . |
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Post by oracle75 on May 15, 2024 14:16:18 GMT
I wouldn't worry about it. I'm sure Macron's main concern is figuring out the best method for supporting the East when they charge toward the West. Should he wave a white flag or a Russian flag?
It's no better in France. The grass isn't always greener. England doesn't have what seems ongoing social problems like France constantly does. What are they then? |
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Post by oracle75 on May 15, 2024 14:17:59 GMT
Better for who exactly? Better for the women who were LEGALLY beaten and raped by their husbands? Women couldn't even get a mortgage or a loan unless a man countersigned for it 50 years ago! Was it better for women, homosexuals, the disabled, non-white people... who could be legally discriminated against in the work place? How about "working class" kids, do you think many of them went to university 50 years ago? Would you rather have had cancer, heart disease, or a serious health problem 50 years ago? lol. Did you go on foreign holidays 50 years ago, or did you spend a week at some shite UK seaside town? lol. Quite frankly, you are historically illiterate for even suggesting life was better 50 years ago. Women are still abused by men apparently. You are alluding to abusing women as the norm . You are wrong . Many women were in stable marriages and didnt need to get a mortgage . It’s difficult for anyone to get a mortgage now. Minorities were discriminated against , true . Working class kids could become highly skilled.well paid individuals without degrees . Degrees are a but if a con tbh. Medicine was not as advanced in the 70s true . My brother and sister was going on holidays in Spain in the 60s/ early 70s. People go to shite UK seaside towns in holiday now . It’s not him that’s historicallly illiterate. It’s you . I understand that shite seaside towns is quite literally true. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2024 14:37:57 GMT
I wouldn't worry about it. I'm sure Macron's main concern is figuring out the best method for supporting the East when they charge toward the West. Should he wave a white flag or a Russian flag?
It's no better in France. The grass isn't always greener. England doesn't have what seems ongoing social problems like France constantly does. It must be depressing for them. After all, there's got to be something seriously wrong with somebody who would sign up to a forum of another country just to repetitively post insults until they're placed on everyone's ignore list. |
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Post by Bentley on May 15, 2024 15:45:39 GMT
Women are still abused by men apparently. You are alluding to abusing women as the norm . You are wrong . Many women were in stable marriages and didnt need to get a mortgage . It’s difficult for anyone to get a mortgage now. Minorities were discriminated against , true . Working class kids could become highly skilled.well paid individuals without degrees . Degrees are a but if a con tbh. Medicine was not as advanced in the 70s true . My brother and sister was going on holidays in Spain in the 60s/ early 70s. People go to shite UK seaside towns in holiday now . It’s not him that’s historicallly illiterate. It’s you . I understand that shite seaside towns is quite literally true. Yes Ori. There are shite seaside towns and shite towns that are not seaside towns . Afaik there are shite towns in mainland Europe too. |
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Post by dodgydave on May 16, 2024 2:34:59 GMT
Better for who exactly? Better for the women who were LEGALLY beaten and raped by their husbands? Women couldn't even get a mortgage or a loan unless a man countersigned for it 50 years ago! Was it better for women, homosexuals, the disabled, non-white people... who could be legally discriminated against in the work place? How about "working class" kids, do you think many of them went to university 50 years ago? Would you rather have had cancer, heart disease, or a serious health problem 50 years ago? lol. Did you go on foreign holidays 50 years ago, or did you spend a week at some shite UK seaside town? lol. Quite frankly, you are historically illiterate for even suggesting life was better 50 years ago. Domestic violence is just as prevalent now as it was then - and as for going to University, how does saddling these kids with massive debts that they will never be in a position to pay off help?. 50 years ago a working class kid could leave school - get a (paid) apprenticeship, then earn a good wage and actually be able to afford to buy their own house in their early 20's. Now they are stuck living with Mum and Dad into their 30's. Healthcare - we could see a GP who knew us by name who would even come to our house if we were sick. Obesity, Diabetes and mental health diseases were much lower. Homosexuality was legal, Women were treated better and migrants were more of a novelty in most of the country than seen as a threat. Only someone who didn't live through it would claim that life was not better. Again better for who? You historical knowledge and social awareness is shockingly bad. 50 years ago it was SOCIALIALLY ACCEPTABLE to beat your wife and you could not be charged with raping your own wife. Homosexuality was only legal under very strict circumstances and the police actively targeted gay people up until the late 1990s eg by raiding gay bars, and charging people with gross indecency. Children have far more opportunities now and they are not boxed into a class system. There is no such thing as "free". Graduates earn more, so why shouldn't they pay University Fees instead of expecting to be subsidized by people with low paid jobs? |
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