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Post by oracle75 on May 10, 2024 7:03:04 GMT
First, stop listening to the news. By its nature it is depressing.
Take a week out and concentrate on what is a pleasure for you. For me it is the chatter and calls of the birds at each end of the day. Attending music concerts and singing in a choir. Watching the various blossoms as they display in sequence. Planning days or weeks away. And my animals who make me laugh. Something to care about.
Your worry about events elsewhere are wasted energy. There is nothing you can do to change them. Imagine the struggle people who are ill or disabled go through every day and can do nothing about it but, unlike you, have to live with it.
Yes we had it good, even if for hours we nearly started an atomic war over the US. Today the world could not function without the computers and science we initiated. We should be proud of that. And today we offer help to far more of the world's poor and are far more sensitive to the feelings of minorities.
And we have cut all those head bushes we used to admire. Even if today's rock stars cant play guitars anymore.
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Post by Dan Dare on May 10, 2024 7:37:40 GMT
Music is not dead. It's just different today to what you preferred to listen to in your formative years and evidently still do.
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Post by oracle75 on May 10, 2024 8:41:05 GMT
If this is to me, what is interesting is that except for "imported" music, modern music hasnt moved on much, though I do miss those wonderful guitar improvised interludes and find a lot of today's playing too simplified.
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Post by Orac on May 10, 2024 8:47:34 GMT
Music really died in the late nineties - that's when the technology was invented to basically adjust one song to the style of another.
Since then, most of the music has been drawn (increasingly) from several songs - which is why it all sounds the same.
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Post by Dan Dare on May 10, 2024 8:54:42 GMT
I recall my parents similarly lamenting that the Beatles, Rolling Stones and Pink Floyd (et al) all sounded the same, in comparison to the big bands, crooners and vocal groups that were popular in their day.
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Post by piglet on May 10, 2024 9:15:30 GMT
I dont know where to start. Unfortunately i am a habitual fixer, i do it even if peeople dont want me too, its unconscious, and in this case, it is mental health to give up. To carry on worrying, mithering, getting angry, is not good mental health, if it wont get better, let it go.
Indeed, things are about to get worse, that a dead end is coming, that the eleectorate can cast a vote.....but nothing changes, that surely is a short cut to anarchy, and as in crisis theeory, when things impolde, its what happens after.
As for my trousers, i dont like being made a fool of, that i buy something that then breaks, ive been robbed, value for money does not exist.
In the old days stuff was made to last. The old days were better, by far, the food wasnt poisoned or cost the earth. houses were stout, people honest. Children could do there own thing safely, and all the things mentioned above.
Music died when it became electric, before music had endless eddys and tributaries that proper instruments could play, but not electric, its just a wall of noise, well said steppen. Its cheaper to record crap on a computer than it is to hire an orchestra, having said that, why dont they use orchestras via a computer?
Some of the vast complexities of piano and orchestras are wondrous, i dont think people have the patience to listen anymore. Now i have a front row seat, watching the degradation of Britain, and i mean that in the sexual sense as well, the performance of the British song is an utter disgrace.
The country is unravelling, there are no standards anymore, that cavorting, wearing sequins, licking owt is now normal.
Something bad is coming, can we save ourselves? Crime goes unchallenged.
Like Pacifico says, ordinary people cant buy there own house, even when they work hard. NOT ACCEPTABLE.
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Post by oracle75 on May 10, 2024 9:16:13 GMT
Ah but where are the Claptons of yesterday ?
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Post by Orac on May 10, 2024 10:28:32 GMT
I recall my parents similarly lamenting that the Beatles, Rolling Stones and Pink Floyd (et al) all sounded the same, in comparison to the big bands, crooners and vocal groups that were popular in their day. That's all very relativistic, but it ignores that something has actually changed. Pink Floyd couldn't copy and paste the essential and subtle qualities of a band / song they wanted to sound like. |
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Post by Dan Dare on May 10, 2024 11:14:46 GMT
I don't want to drill in too deep since we're in danger of obscuring Piglet's larger point about societal decadence in general, but I think it's true to say that each generation tends to regard the musical tastes of successive generations with disdain. I'd hazard a guess that few peoples' musical tastes change (develop?) much beyond the age of thirty at the latest. I'd suggest that this became a noticeable phenomenon once popular music became mass entertainment and hence a profit-generating activity. Perhaps the late Victorian age?
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Post by oracle75 on May 10, 2024 14:32:41 GMT
I don't want to drill in too deep since we're in danger of obscuring Piglet's larger point about societal decadence in general, but I think it's true to say that each generation tends to regard the musical tastes of successive generations with disdain. I'd hazard a guess that few peoples' musical tastes change (develop?) much beyond the age of thirty at the latest. I'd suggest that this became a noticeable phenomenon once popular music became mass entertainment and hence a profit-generating activity. Perhaps the late Victorian age? Notable exceptions include Elton John, whose style changed during my adult life and I never stopped appreciating him. |
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Post by Orac on May 10, 2024 14:42:39 GMT
I don't want to drill in too deep since we're in danger of obscuring Piglet's larger point about societal decadence in general, but I think it's true to say that each generation tends to regard the musical tastes of successive generations with disdain. I'd hazard a guess that few peoples' musical tastes change (develop?) much beyond the age of thirty at the latest. I'd suggest that this became a noticeable phenomenon once popular music became mass entertainment and hence a profit-generating activity. Perhaps the late Victorian age? I agree - but i feel the observation doesn't make the case that any observation made by a generation is only part of a distorting lens that creates that pattern of perception. My father's musical era is probably late fifties - mid sixties, but he was still very interested into the eighties. His interest flagged in the nineties, but it was just a matter of the tone of the music being wrong for him. He might not have had much time for Either Nirvana or Depeche mode, but i doubt he would have attempted to say they sounded the same.The popular music of the last 15 years is so self similar that often it can only be really distinguished by the voice of the singer. That's because the bulk of this music is produced using the same software, with the same settings and is aiming to sound like the same songs. In old world terms, it may as well have all been played by the same people, on the same instruments, through the same amplifier, and mixed by the same engineer |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 10, 2024 16:55:42 GMT
Explain to me how "nothing works"? Are seriously suggesting life was better 25, 50, 75, 100 years ago? lol. There are always challenges, life is never perfect. If you life in the West right now, you are one of the luckiest people to have ever lived. If you disagree with that you have zero historical knowledge and you haven't travelled much! Possibly. But if we continue to accept levels of immigration both legal and illegal that we have been forced to endure over the past 20 or so years, then it wont be long before this country has more in common with an overcrowded third world shit tip. |
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on May 11, 2024 3:33:53 GMT
In the run up to the Millennium the expectations for the 21st century were that computers were going to rapidly solve ALL the planet's problems. No more economic ups and downs. Plenty of food for everybody. By 2012 the rise in population would cease. The human genome project would lead to a world where diseases were no longer a major cause of human suffering.
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Post by steppenwolf on May 11, 2024 7:00:06 GMT
I recall my parents similarly lamenting that the Beatles, Rolling Stones and Pink Floyd (et al) all sounded the same, in comparison to the big bands, crooners and vocal groups that were popular in their day. This is not a generational thing DD. The electrification of popular music that started in the '80s was a step change. Instead of electronics just being used to amplify or change the nature of the sound coming out of electric guitars (fuzz boxes etc) it began to be used to actually play the music. So you see prats in "bands" playing a keyboard with two fingers - and most of the "music" has been programmed into the keyboard and the rhythm is also generated by program and is dead rigid and lifeless. It sounds like a "pianola" - it's dead. This has evolved into the rubbish that is churned out by Ed Sheeran and Taylor Swift. Ed Sheeran's shite is built up using a looper machine and everything has a fixed beat and mainly plays over a simple sequence of chords. It's crap. I wonder if you've been watching C4's "The Piano" where they put a piano in a railway station and people passing by play it. There are some wonderful players. And the interesting thing is that Lang Lang and Mika (who are watching) are not looking for the player who's technically "best". They're looking for that indefinable thing "feeling". That's what's gone from modern popular music. It used to be there - e.g. Don McClean's Vincent. |
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Post by Dan Dare on May 11, 2024 7:57:49 GMT
Earlier in the discussion you appeared to be offering Led Zeppelin as an example of how popular music has deteriorated in the past twenty years or so from some Olympian plane of Excellence.
How would you respond to the argument that the means of production is irrelevant and that in terms of quality of musical output your preferred exponents in the popular music field are no better and no worse that today's 'stars' who you quite correctly label as rubbish? Just different that's all.
Allegations of bogus talent and manipulated pop artistes go all the way back to Elvis Presley passing via the Sex Pistols on the way. They're nothing new. Remember the Good Old Days when everybody mimed and played instruments that weren't even plugged on Top of the Pops?
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