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Post by sandypine on May 7, 2024 8:41:25 GMT
It's the fault of the electoral system whereby we have a two party system with both parties chasing the same section of voters such that it makes almost no difference which one gets in.
The Tories failed to do what they were elected to do and Labour will be essentially the same as the Tories.
sure , but as ive said before , England ( not the uk) is now the only country in Western Europe that doesn't have pr or a form of it. Go figure. The dodgy system in England (for Westminster) is at breaking point , the old two party stitch up no longer commands the respect and holds the views of the majority , and still the muppets trundle on as long as they can. Westminster is broken. We all know it. We have 500 seats that are taken by careerist benchwarmers , and largely less than a 100 of the 650 seats change hands outside the big two clown parties each election. I think we are all sick of these globalist fannies masquerading as politicians and their tree hugging identity politics , their trans obsessions , and high taxes. The only thing I disagree with in your post is your last sentence. Labour will be worse than the tories in my opinion. They will wreak havoc on the uk nations , all without a mandate and popular support. time to batten down the hatches even more. I am sorry to say that the system is Scotland has not thrown up a government that commands any more respect. We seem to be all round stuck with a sort of democratic hiatus where each faction tells us how bad the other factions are at doing exactly the same as them. We seem to be stuck with a choice of which incompetent manager to vote for. At least with Thatcher you got what you voted for or at least what the system voted for. |
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Post by jonksy on May 7, 2024 8:53:11 GMT
Indeed. Most people didn't vote in the local elections and only 34% of those who did voted Labour.
Labour do not have a mandate.
Only 43% of people voted Tory at the last General Election. The Tories do NOT have a mandate. All The Best Bollocks. The tories got in with a huge mandate of getting Brexit done... |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 7, 2024 8:54:42 GMT
It's the fault of the electoral system whereby we have a two party system with both parties chasing the same section of voters such that it makes almost no difference which one gets in.
The Tories failed to do what they were elected to do and Labour will be essentially the same as the Tories.
sure , but as ive said before , England ( not the uk) is now the only country in Western Europe that doesn't have pr or a form of it. Go figure. The dodgy system in England (for Westminster) is at breaking point , the old two party stitch up no longer commands the respect and holds the views of the majority , and still the muppets trundle on as long as they can. Westminster is broken. We all know it. We have 500 seats that are taken by careerist benchwarmers , and largely less than a 100 of the 650 seats change hands outside the big two clown parties each election. I think we are all sick of these globalist fannies masquerading as politicians and their tree hugging identity politics , their trans obsessions , and high taxes. The only thing I disagree with in your post is your last sentence. Labour will be worse than the tories in my opinion. They will wreak havoc on the uk nations , all without a mandate and popular support. time to batten down the hatches even more. Totally agree.
When I said that Labour will be essentially the same, I meant that they will go down the same lines that the Tories were about to anyway.
They are cheeks of the same arse.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 7, 2024 9:01:19 GMT
Only 43% of people voted Tory at the last General Election. The Tories do NOT have a mandate. All The Best Bollocks. The tories got in with a huge mandate of getting Brexit done... The Brexit Referendum was NOT a General Election. General Elections are NOT single-issue polls. You clearly don't understand Democracy (or rather the pretend Democracy we have in this country) or Percentages. We'll just add those two to the already very long list of basic things you don't understand, shall we? All The Best |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 7, 2024 9:24:03 GMT
Indeed. Most people didn't vote in the local elections and only 34% of those who did voted Labour.
Labour do not have a mandate.
Only 43% of people voted Tory at the last General Election. The Tories do NOT have a mandate. All The Best Then my point stands but even more so, Nulla.
Glad you agree with me. You know it makes sense.  |
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Post by jonksy on May 7, 2024 9:47:34 GMT
Bollocks. The tories got in with a huge mandate of getting Brexit done... General Elections are NOT single-issue polls. You clearly don't understand Democracy (or rather the pretend Democracy we have in this country) or Percentages. We'll just add those two to the already very long list of basic things you don't understand, shall we? All The Best Who said it was? But Boris and the torys kicked labours arse in the last GE...And I won't be taking any lessons from you on democrocy.....You can't even keep up with what I was stating FFS. |
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Post by ProVeritas on May 7, 2024 9:50:40 GMT
Only 43% of people voted Tory at the last General Election. The Tories do NOT have a mandate. All The Best Then my point stands but even more so, Nulla.
Glad you agree with me. You know it makes sense. Indeed your point stands. My point was that I can't seem to find any posts of yours lambasting the Tories for not having a mandate. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on May 7, 2024 9:52:44 GMT
The Brexit Referendum was NOT a General Election.General Elections are NOT single-issue polls. You clearly don't understand Democracy (or rather the pretend Democracy we have in this country) or Percentages. We'll just add those two to the already very long list of basic things you don't understand, shall we? All The Best Who said it was? But Boris and the torys kicked labours arse in the last GE...And I won't be taking any lessons from you on democrocy.....You can't even keep up with what I was stating FFS. No they didn't: the Tories had 43% of the vote, Labour had 34% of the vote. All The Best |
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Post by jonksy on May 7, 2024 10:28:33 GMT
Who said it was? But Boris and the torys kicked labours arse in the last GE...And I won't be taking any lessons from you on democrocy.....You can't even keep up with what I was stating FFS. the Tories had 43% of the vote, Labour had 34% of the vote. All The Best Remind me of the tories record number of seats again PV? If that wasn't an arsekicking for labour I don't know what is?
EDIT......Maybe this will help...... link |
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Post by ProVeritas on May 7, 2024 10:38:25 GMT
No they didn't: the Tories had 43% of the vote, Labour had 34% of the vote. All The Best Remind me of the tories record number of seats again PV? If that wasn't an arsekicking for labour I don't know what is?
EDIT......Maybe this will help...... linkWell that is partly my point: the number of seats a party get is NOT even remotely linked to the % share of the vote they get. The Tories have rigged the Constituency Boundaries in their favour, and have tried to disenfranchise the poor and minority demographics by introducing Voter ID - and they still get wiped out at the Local Elections. They are so Toxic they can even win when they rigged the game. All The Best |
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Post by jonksy on May 7, 2024 10:44:14 GMT
Remind me of the tories record number of seats again PV? If that wasn't an arsekicking for labour I don't know what is?
EDIT......Maybe this will help...... linkWell that is partly my point: the number of seats a party get is NOT even remotely linked to the % share of the vote they get. The Tories have rigged the Constituency Boundaries in their favour, and have tried to disenfranchise the poor and minority demographics by introducing Voter ID - and they still get wiped out at the Local Elections. They are so Toxic they can even win when they rigged the game. All The Best Total billocks.....Funny how you neglect to mention the RED WALL... |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 7, 2024 10:46:24 GMT
Remind me of the tories record number of seats again PV? If that wasn't an arsekicking for labour I don't know what is?
EDIT......Maybe this will help...... linkWell that is partly my point: the number of seats a party get is NOT even remotely linked to the % share of the vote they get. The Tories have rigged the Constituency Boundaries in their favour, and have tried to disenfranchise the poor and minority demographics by introducing Voter ID - and they still get wiped out at the Local Elections. They are so Toxic they can even win when they rigged the game. All The Best And how Donald Trump got elected in 2016 despite polling less votes than Hillary Clinton. |
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Post by jonksy on May 7, 2024 10:49:35 GMT
Well that is partly my point: the number of seats a party get is NOT even remotely linked to the % share of the vote they get. The Tories have rigged the Constituency Boundaries in their favour, and have tried to disenfranchise the poor and minority demographics by introducing Voter ID - and they still get wiped out at the Local Elections. They are so Toxic they can even win when they rigged the game. All The Best And how Donald Trump got elected in 2016 despite polling less votes than Hillary Clinton. You didn't seem to mind when blair managed to infest no 10 Andy. Funny now how you lefties don't like the results isn't it? And what side voted against PR?
EDIT.......LOL as if we didn't know already......Keir Starmer was against proportional representation all along – what else hasn’t he told us?...... link |
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Post by ratcliff on May 7, 2024 11:27:11 GMT
Remind me of the tories record number of seats again PV? If that wasn't an arsekicking for labour I don't know what is?
EDIT......Maybe this will help...... linkWell that is partly my point: the number of seats a party get is NOT even remotely linked to the % share of the vote they get. The Tories have rigged the Constituency Boundaries in their favour, and have tried to disenfranchise the poor and minority demographics by introducing Voter ID - and they still get wiped out at the Local Elections. They are so Toxic they can even win when they rigged the game. All The Best You don't believe that those on the electoral role should not have their photo ID officially verified when casting their vote? Do you not accept that producing a valid passport for checking on entry at border control (airports/ports/international stations ) is a necessary requirement? Accepted voting photo ID is available completely FOC so no crap needed from you about paying for passports/driving licences etc - it's free www.gov.uk/apply-for-photo-id-voter-authority-certificate |
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Post by Pacifico on May 7, 2024 14:39:29 GMT
Remind me of the tories record number of seats again PV? If that wasn't an arsekicking for labour I don't know what is?
EDIT......Maybe this will help...... linkWell that is partly my point: the number of seats a party get is NOT even remotely linked to the % share of the vote they get. The Tories have rigged the Constituency Boundaries in their favour, and have tried to disenfranchise the poor and minority demographics by introducing Voter ID - and they still get wiped out at the Local Elections. They are so Toxic they can even win when they rigged the game. All The Best Well it was actually the Labour Party who introduced voter ID into the UK. Personally I see nothing wrong with the idea. |
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