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Post by thomas on May 6, 2024 19:15:15 GMT
I just listened to a journalist reporting on something Andy Street said, as you know Andy Street 'was' the conservative West Mids mayor who has just lost to Labour. Incredibly, he said the conservatives must stay centrist, he said to stay relevant the conservatives must be a party of the centre. The man is an utter pillock. The very reason conservative voters are disillusioned is precisely because the government are centrist. Tory voters don't want centrist ffs they want a proper centre right Conservative government. Andy Street is the perfect example of whats wrong with many Conservative politicians today. They're in the wrong party. Or maybe he has a point but you disagree? Andy Street is well respected much beyond his party. sssshhhhh Andrew. Dont discourage the tory voters from voting in the latest head case on the horizon . Part of the reason they are in the mess they are in is because Johnson got rid of all the competent politicians in the party because they were pro remain , and pandered to the right wing nutters out there. Now they think to get the tories back to winning ways , they need to move further and further to the right and clowns like Farage and co will save them. Keep handing them rope I say. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 6, 2024 21:23:21 GMT
I just listened to a journalist reporting on something Andy Street said, as you know Andy Street 'was' the conservative West Mids mayor who has just lost to Labour. Incredibly, he said the conservatives must stay centrist, he said to stay relevant the conservatives must be a party of the centre. The man is an utter pillock. The very reason conservative voters are disillusioned is precisely because the government are centrist. Tory voters don't want centrist ffs they want a proper centre right Conservative government. Andy Street is the perfect example of whats wrong with many Conservative politicians today. They're in the wrong party. Or maybe he has a point but you disagree? Andy Street is well respected much beyond his party. Didn't help him did it - the Tory vote stayed at home. |
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Post by ProVeritas on May 7, 2024 0:09:50 GMT
Or maybe he has a point but you disagree? Andy Street is well respected much beyond his party. Didn't help him did it - the Tory vote stayed at home. That's because most of them are too ashamed to be seen voting Tory these days. All The Best |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 7, 2024 3:51:05 GMT
Or maybe he has a point but you disagree? Andy Street is well respected much beyond his party. Didn't help him did it - the Tory vote stayed at home. Actually it did, the swing against him was much less than Ben Houchen, who kept his job. The fact that the West Midlands had a conservative mayor, winning two elections and akmost pilling off a third in these circumstances is quite remarkable really. If only the Tories had have had someone of his calibre running in London, they may have stood a chance. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 7, 2024 6:29:15 GMT
Didn't help him did it - the Tory vote stayed at home. Actually it did, the swing against him was much less than Ben Houchen, who kept his job. The fact that the West Midlands had a conservative mayor, winning two elections and akmost pilling off a third in these circumstances is quite remarkable really. If only the Tories had have had someone of his calibre running in London, they may have stood a chance. Oh I agree that the calibre of the London candidate was poor - but the fact remains that Street lost because the Tory Party is failing to get it's supporters motivated enough to come out and vote. We currently have the most left-wing Tory Government ever, so it's perfectly understandable that those looking to support conservative polices fail to vote for the present Conservative Party. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 7, 2024 6:40:10 GMT
I see that the new Mayor of the West Midlands is off to a bad start - first day in the job and he starts banging on about Gaza. Perhaps he forgot what region he was Mayor of. Almost every reply asking what about the West Midlands..  |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 7, 2024 6:55:21 GMT
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Post by witchfinder on May 7, 2024 7:41:53 GMT
The only Tory Metro Mayor to hang on was Ben Houchen, who had a massive popular vote thanks to implementing a traditional LABOUR policy of taking transport into public ownership ( Buying Teesside Airport ).
Houchen had a 73% share of the vote in 2021, however his share of the vote plummeted last week by 19%, and Labours share shot up by 14%.
If a similar swing were to be replecated in the general election, the Conservatives would lose all 5 seats they currently hold in the area, three of which require a swing of only around 5% for the Tories to lose them.
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Post by thomas on May 7, 2024 8:02:15 GMT
The only Tory Metro Mayor to hang on was Ben Houchen, who had a massive popular vote thanks to implementing a traditional LABOUR policy of taking transport into public ownership ( Buying Teesside Airport ). Houchen had a 73% share of the vote in 2021, however his share of the vote plummeted last week by 19%, and Labours share shot up by 14%. If a similar swing were to be replecated in the general election, the Conservatives would lose all 5 seats they currently hold in the area, three of which require a swing of only around 5% for the Tories to lose them. sid isnt that called turd polishing? You talk about labours share shooting up by 14 % , but overall , in the local elections in your country , wikipedia has labour with an overall 1 % swing away , on 34% , compared to the 35% starmer got the previous year , and of course that magic number of labour being 10 percentage points in reality at the ballot box on voting day lower than what they are getting in national polls. Polls are showing labour need an historic low turnout for starmer to realise a massive majority . Labour aren't gaining voters , starmer is losing voters . Blackpool south was point at hand , with a desperately low turnout , the media trying desperately not to mention this fact , and people saying labour are no better than the tories hence why labours winning vote was two thousand votes down on their losing vote in 2019. I would be careful of getting too complacent and convinced of your own parties propaganda about winning the next general election comfortably. Starmer isnt winning hearts and minds clearly , it's more a case of everyone else falling past him as he stands still or loses a few voters. should other parties voters turnout ,out , the game changes massively. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 7, 2024 8:05:58 GMT
The only Tory Metro Mayor to hang on was Ben Houchen, who had a massive popular vote thanks to implementing a traditional LABOUR policy of taking transport into public ownership ( Buying Teesside Airport ). Houchen had a 73% share of the vote in 2021, however his share of the vote plummeted last week by 19%, and Labours share shot up by 14%. If a similar swing were to be replecated in the general election, the Conservatives would lose all 5 seats they currently hold in the area, three of which require a swing of only around 5% for the Tories to lose them. sid isnt that called turd polishing? You talk about labours share shooting up by 14 % , but overall , in the local elections in your country , wikipedia has labour with an overall 1 % swing away , on 34% , compared to the 35% starmer got the previous year , and of course that magic number of labour being 10 percentage points in reality at the ballot box on voting day lower than what they are getting in national polls. Polls are showing labour need an historic low turnout for starmer to realise a massive majority . Labour aren't gaining voters , starmer is losing voters . Blackpool south was point at hand , with a desperately low turnout , the media trying desperately not to mention this fact , and people saying labour are no better than the tories hence why labours winning vote was two thousand votes down on their losing vote in 2019. I would be careful of getting too complacent and convinced of your own parties propaganda about winning the next general election comfortably. Starmer isnt winning hearts and minds clearly , it's more a case of everyone else falling past him as he stands still or loses a few voters. should other parties voters turnout ,out , the game changes massively. Indeed. Most people didn't vote in the local elections and only 34% of those who did voted Labour.
Labour do not have a mandate.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2024 8:09:21 GMT
I see that the new Mayor of the West Midlands is off to a bad start - first day in the job and he starts banging on about Gaza. Perhaps he forgot what region he was Mayor of. Almost every reply asking what about the West Midlands.. They should be more worried about what he's planning to do to their community. I'm sure the last thing they need is another cringe inducing commie. |
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Post by thomas on May 7, 2024 8:13:35 GMT
sid isnt that called turd polishing? You talk about labours share shooting up by 14 % , but overall , in the local elections in your country , wikipedia has labour with an overall 1 % swing away , on 34% , compared to the 35% starmer got the previous year , and of course that magic number of labour being 10 percentage points in reality at the ballot box on voting day lower than what they are getting in national polls. Polls are showing labour need an historic low turnout for starmer to realise a massive majority . Labour aren't gaining voters , starmer is losing voters . Blackpool south was point at hand , with a desperately low turnout , the media trying desperately not to mention this fact , and people saying labour are no better than the tories hence why labours winning vote was two thousand votes down on their losing vote in 2019. I would be careful of getting too complacent and convinced of your own parties propaganda about winning the next general election comfortably. Starmer isnt winning hearts and minds clearly , it's more a case of everyone else falling past him as he stands still or loses a few voters. should other parties voters turnout ,out , the game changes massively. Indeed. Most people didn't vote in the local elections and only 34% of those who did voted Labour.
Labour do not have a mandate.
how can anyone in their right mind argue this is good for democracy when a party that is predicted to take less than a fifth of the total electorates votes can win a massive majority on an extremely historic low turnout? I think it will be a fair argument that if this all comes to pass , then starmer will not have a mandate based on historic norms , to do anything. The uk will be up in flames , as labour aren't the solution , they are a large part of the problems , and the twin cheek of the tory arse. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 7, 2024 8:19:48 GMT
Indeed. Most people didn't vote in the local elections and only 34% of those who did voted Labour.
Labour do not have a mandate.
how can anyone in their right mind argue this is good for democracy when a party that is predicted to take less than a fifth of the total electorates votes can win a massive majority on an extremely historic low turnout? I think it will be a fair argument that if this all comes to pass , then starmer will not have a mandate based on historic norms , to do anything. The uk will be up in flames , as labour aren't the solution , they are a large part of the problems , and the twin cheek of the tory arse. It's the fault of the electoral system whereby we have a two party system with both parties chasing the same section of voters such that it makes almost no difference which one gets in.
The Tories failed to do what they were elected to do and Labour will be essentially the same as the Tories.
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Post by thomas on May 7, 2024 8:30:05 GMT
how can anyone in their right mind argue this is good for democracy when a party that is predicted to take less than a fifth of the total electorates votes can win a massive majority on an extremely historic low turnout? I think it will be a fair argument that if this all comes to pass , then starmer will not have a mandate based on historic norms , to do anything. The uk will be up in flames , as labour aren't the solution , they are a large part of the problems , and the twin cheek of the tory arse. It's the fault of the electoral system whereby we have a two party system with both parties chasing the same section of voters such that it makes almost no difference which one gets in.
The Tories failed to do what they were elected to do and Labour will be essentially the same as the Tories.
sure , but as ive said before , England ( not the uk) is now the only country in Western Europe that doesn't have pr or a form of it. Go figure. The dodgy system in England (for Westminster) is at breaking point , the old two party stitch up no longer commands the respect and holds the views of the majority , and still the muppets trundle on as long as they can. Westminster is broken. We all know it. We have 500 seats that are taken by careerist benchwarmers , and largely less than a 100 of the 650 seats change hands outside the big two clown parties each election. I think we are all sick of these globalist fannies masquerading as politicians and their tree hugging identity politics , their trans obsessions , and high taxes. The only thing I disagree with in your post is your last sentence. Labour will be worse than the tories in my opinion. They will wreak havoc on the uk nations , all without a mandate and popular support. time to batten down the hatches even more. |
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Post by ProVeritas on May 7, 2024 8:37:48 GMT
sid isnt that called turd polishing? You talk about labours share shooting up by 14 % , but overall , in the local elections in your country , wikipedia has labour with an overall 1 % swing away , on 34% , compared to the 35% starmer got the previous year , and of course that magic number of labour being 10 percentage points in reality at the ballot box on voting day lower than what they are getting in national polls. Polls are showing labour need an historic low turnout for starmer to realise a massive majority . Labour aren't gaining voters , starmer is losing voters . Blackpool south was point at hand , with a desperately low turnout , the media trying desperately not to mention this fact , and people saying labour are no better than the tories hence why labours winning vote was two thousand votes down on their losing vote in 2019. I would be careful of getting too complacent and convinced of your own parties propaganda about winning the next general election comfortably. Starmer isnt winning hearts and minds clearly , it's more a case of everyone else falling past him as he stands still or loses a few voters. should other parties voters turnout ,out , the game changes massively. Indeed. Most people didn't vote in the local elections and only 34% of those who did voted Labour.
Labour do not have a mandate.
Only 43% of people voted Tory at the last General Election. The Tories do NOT have a mandate. All The Best |
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