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Post by Fairsociety on May 4, 2024 7:00:49 GMT
I'd love a Labour LibDems coalition. Think that would be my ideal scenario. The scenario of a madman.....More like...
It's very disturbing thinking there are people out there who think like andrea, it's frightening. |
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Post by see2 on May 4, 2024 7:23:39 GMT
Blackpool South by-election - result in full Chris Webb - Labour - 10,825 David Jones - Conservative - 3,218 Mark Butcher - Reform - 3,101 Andrew Cregan - Lib Dems - 387 Ben Thomas - Green Party - 368 Stephen Black - Independent - 163 Kim Knight - Alliance for Freedom and Democracy - 147 Howling Laud Hope - Official Monster Raving Loony Party - 121 Damon Sharp - New Open Non-Political Organised Leadership - 45 Labour seem on course for a landslide victory come the GENERAL ELECTION So you keep saying and your probably right but this is no victory for Labour . Starmer called it a seismic victory ,the mans a fool ,what he should be saying is its worrying that Labour have LOST 2000 votes since 2019 . The only thing we can take from this is that the conservative vote has rightly collapsed in fact the whole vote collapsed with approx 25,000 less people voting last night than in 2019 Labour may well win the next GE but I can't see anything to celebrate . Being in power because few people can be bothered to vote is a sad state of affairs Variations in turn out for elections is normal. The general election will be more indicative of the mood of the country. |
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Post by see2 on May 4, 2024 7:32:01 GMT
After Reform splits the ‘ Conservative ‘ vote and tanks the Tories , we will have at least one term of identity politics and EU arse licking . Hopefully it will galvanise the centre right into voting for a true centre right party next time around. Who do you think are the possible Tories who might be able to create "a true centre right Tory party. As someone who is of the centre left I would probably have plenty of agreement with many of the policies of a centre right Tory party. I would expect a centre right Tory party to do that which is beneficial to the UK when dealing with the EU. |
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Post by see2 on May 4, 2024 7:43:14 GMT
Labour set to 'fall short of overall majority' as Keir Starmer dealt brutal blow..... Latest figures from the local elections have revealed that while Labour is on course to be the largest party, it is set to fall short of gaining an overall majority at the next general election. Provisional National Share Estimate has revealed that the Tories are on just 26 percent of the vote, a 19-point drop compared with the 2019 general election.
No doubt the political lies, insinuated lies and distortions in the sick Tory papers, spread by fools like yourself will to some extent interfere with the election results. That's how sick this country is. You should remember that the Tories have over dominated parliament since 1951 exposing their repeated failures to better the country, which is why they have to spend so much time in falsely blaming and denigrating the Labour party. |
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Post by Bentley on May 4, 2024 8:18:06 GMT
After Reform splits the ‘ Conservative ‘ vote and tanks the Tories , we will have at least one term of identity politics and EU arse licking . Hopefully it will galvanise the centre right into voting for a true centre right party next time around. Who do you think are the possible Tories who might be able to create "a true centre right Tory party. As someone who is of the centre left I would probably have plenty of agreement with many of the policies of a centre right Tory party. I would expect a centre right Tory party to do that which is beneficial to the UK when dealing with the EU. The problem with you is that your idea of centre right is slightly of the right to you . So the whole conversation would be an argument of what is centre right, centre left and anything in between . Also the matter of how we ‘ deal’ with the EU is not necessarily a right or left issue . It’s the ex remainers that insist separating from the EU was , in itself ,a lurch to the right . It wasn’t . |
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Post by see2 on May 4, 2024 8:38:44 GMT
Who do you think are the possible Tories who might be able to create "a true centre right Tory party. As someone who is of the centre left I would probably have plenty of agreement with many of the policies of a centre right Tory party. I would expect a centre right Tory party to do that which is beneficial to the UK when dealing with the EU. The problem with you is that your idea of centre right is slightly of the right to you . So the whole conversation would be an argument of what is centre right, centre left and anything in between . Also the matter of how we ‘ deal’ with the EU is not necessarily a right or left issue . It’s the ex remainers that insist separating from the EU was , in itself ,a lurch to the right . It wasn’t . 1, Wrong, the more so if it follows NLs "for the many not the few" which will included some things from the hard right, the more so from a centre right government. 2. I agree, it wasn't, but it was right winger Farage that led the propaganda for Brexit. |
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Post by Bentley on May 4, 2024 8:50:02 GMT
The problem with you is that your idea of centre right is slightly of the right to you . So the whole conversation would be an argument of what is centre right, centre left and anything in between . Also the matter of how we ‘ deal’ with the EU is not necessarily a right or left issue . It’s the ex remainers that insist separating from the EU was , in itself ,a lurch to the right . It wasn’t . 1, Wrong, the more so if it follows NLs "for the many not the few" which will included some things from the hard right, the more so from a centre right government. 2. I agree, it wasn't, but it was right winger Farage that led the propaganda for Brexit. What hard right ? There hasn’t been a ‘ hard right ‘ anything in UK politics since the Empire . For the many not the few was just a lie to fool the public . Some even believed it. Farage didn’t ‘ lead’ propaganda for Brexit anymore than anyone in the remain camp led the project fear propaganda for Remain . |
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Post by Pacifico on May 4, 2024 10:48:42 GMT
2. I agree, it wasn't, but it was right winger Farage that led the propaganda for Brexit. Leaving the EU used to be official Labour Party policy - in fact they fought an election on that issue. |
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Post by witchfinder on May 4, 2024 11:10:36 GMT
I'd love a Labour LibDems coalition. Think that would be my ideal scenario. I wouldn't mind a Labour / LibDem coalition, which I hope would lead to proportional representation, and FPTP to be abandoned. Basically the Labour Party is progressive and Left of centre, the Lib Dems are progressive and Libertarian, a kind of natural coalition, unlike the Unholy Alliance of 2010 - 2015. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 4, 2024 11:12:58 GMT
I'd love a Labour LibDems coalition. Think that would be my ideal scenario. So would the EU. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2024 12:52:59 GMT
We have Labour lefties in the civil service and Labour lefties in the Tories, led by a Blairite who literally handed the keys to another Blairite. Imagine voting for millions of third world criminals and hardline Islamists moving in next door at your own expense.
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Post by ratcliff on May 5, 2024 11:38:00 GMT
Out of curiosity, and this is a genuine question, is/was your career in the public sector? People who work in the private sector do tend to be more practical in their political beliefs. I was self employed, offering my knowledge and training within the private sector. I've seen several posts from you claiming to have been a ''professional '' working in NHS GP surgeries |
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Post by ratcliff on May 5, 2024 11:49:54 GMT
It's a well known fact that well educated people never vote Labour, they don't trust them with their pensions, savings, taxes, or assets.
All these Uni woke snowflakes diverse lefties once they get a proper job, start earning decent money, get married, buy their first home, start a family, Labour are kicked to the kerb, and they become Tory voters One day when they retire with their feet up they'll watching tv at all the new wave Uni woke snowflake diverse lefties protesting, and they'll be saying ....'remember, that was us once' .......... glad we seen the light.
You are a product of your imagination. Like most self deluded Tories you don't live in the real world. I have always been centre-left in politics, long before New Labour came on the scene. I am still centre Left. I started my adult life with very little in financial terms, got married, fathered children, work my way up from a mediocre income to eventually just over tripling my early income, own my splendid bungalow with an extra large garage, in a desirable village along with two bank accounts. And I am still very much centre left in my political outlook. The more so thanks to the experience of New Labour in office. Sounds like estate agent lingo , what does it actually mean ? Bungalow not a complete tip with a double garage that is wide enough for bigger than two minis, in a village with verges? two bank accountsI'm struggling to think of a reason why someone would brag about this perfectly normal behaviour |
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