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Post by see2 on Apr 26, 2024 12:23:16 GMT
Labour has been abolishing the house of Lords for over a century and it still hasn't happened yet. The Conservatives and Labour have been building a better Britain ever since WW2 I get these things take time but in 80 years the country has been going backwards financially for the average person and these days, they are not even allowed to protest about it. The Tories have dominated parliament since 1951, so the major responsibility for the UKs poor showing must lay with the Tories. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 26, 2024 12:34:56 GMT
You are reading the wrong data. Bathing water quality in England"The quality of bathing waters in England has improved significantly in the last 20 years. The latest data from 2019 shows that that 72% achieved the highest standard of Excellent, while 98.3% passed the minimum standard." |
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 26, 2024 12:37:48 GMT
Where is the money coming from to make up for the loss in private sector investment? - are you expecting more government subsidy or higher fares? The private sector actually invests very little into our railways, other than the leasing of rolling stock from specialised companies and manufacturers. Most of the investment in railways ( actual railway lines and stations ) comes from government / local government / the tax payer. The Labour plan will do several things, to the advantage of the public, firstly the private sector will continue to benefit via the leasing companies and manufacturers, who in most instances will continue to provide the bulk of rolling stock. The detailed proposals also set out how a new Rail Regulator will operate, one with teeth and proper powers to protect the passenger, this will for instance include instant refunds. Great British Railways will not be answerable to company directors or shareholders, it will be answerable to the British Public and the Minister responsible. My hope or wish is that (if elected) they would eventually do the same to buses, Re-regulate them and give us back the reliable services we used to have. Where on earth do you get the idea that nationalised services were ''reliable'' Nothing could be further from the truth |
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 26, 2024 12:42:46 GMT
Nope, what you have is an ideologic driven narrative that tells you things have gotten worse, despite concrete evidence that things have improved dramatically. Since privatisation we have invested year on year more than anybody else in Europe, leaks are down a third, drinking water quality is one of the best in the world, dead rivers have come back to life, and our beaches are not covered in turds! Some people point to shareholder dividends and say look, that is why we have a sewage release problem, if they spent that money on invest the problem would be solved. Do the slightest bit of research and you will find it is a £600 BILLION legacy problem that built up under nationalisation... because guess what... there is no votes in sewage... so investment was at the back of the queues behind health, pensions, policing, education, defense, roads etc. Now of course ideally utilities would be nationalised and well run... but if Labour are being dishonest about the problems from the start what chance have we got? Plus Labour couldn't run a piss up in a brewery. Oh come on , Sir Kneeler , the ginger growler and the Labour PCC (and loads of ''workers'') held a late night beer and curry party up north during covid and sucessfully got the cops to say it was legal as there was no birthday cake ! No-one else could do that |
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 26, 2024 13:54:10 GMT
The private sector actually invests very little into our railways, other than the leasing of rolling stock from specialised companies and manufacturers. Most of the investment in railways ( actual railway lines and stations ) comes from government / local government / the tax payer. The Labour plan will do several things, to the advantage of the public, firstly the private sector will continue to benefit via the leasing companies and manufacturers, who in most instances will continue to provide the bulk of rolling stock. The detailed proposals also set out how a new Rail Regulator will operate, one with teeth and proper powers to protect the passenger, this will for instance include instant refunds. Great British Railways will not be answerable to company directors or shareholders, it will be answerable to the British Public and the Minister responsible. My hope or wish is that (if elected) they would eventually do the same to buses, Re-regulate them and give us back the reliable services we used to have. Where on earth do you get the idea that nationalised services were ''reliable'' Nothing could be further from the truth I lived in a village with a train station, I used to go to school 15 miles away every morning on the school train, and back at the end of the school day, other than the very rare ocassion when we had heavy snow, the train never failed to turn up and was never cancelled, and was almost always on time. People in the Esk Valley frequently used the train to commute for shopping, to work, to school or for days out, and some of us used the train to go to the doctors in the next village 4 miles away, the trains when nationalised were reliable, I know because I used them. Today, you just have no idea whether the train will turn up, or whether its been cancelled, there s just no comparison between the service of today and under British Rail. |
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 26, 2024 14:06:24 GMT
Where on earth do you get the idea that nationalised services were ''reliable'' Nothing could be further from the truth I lived in a village with a train station, I used to go to school 15 miles away every morning on the school train, and back at the end of the school day, other than the very rare ocassion when we had heavy snow, the train never failed to turn up and was never cancelled, and was almost always on time. People in the Esk Valley frequently used the train to commute for shopping, to work, to school or for days out, and some of us used the train to go to the doctors in the next village 4 miles away, the trains when nationalised were reliable, I know because I used them. Today, you just have no idea whether the train will turn up, or whether its been cancelled, there s just no comparison between the service of today and under British Rail. To be filed under ''Once upon a time.......'' in the lefty fiction section |
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 26, 2024 14:18:49 GMT
I lived in a village with a train station, I used to go to school 15 miles away every morning on the school train, and back at the end of the school day, other than the very rare ocassion when we had heavy snow, the train never failed to turn up and was never cancelled, and was almost always on time. People in the Esk Valley frequently used the train to commute for shopping, to work, to school or for days out, and some of us used the train to go to the doctors in the next village 4 miles away, the trains when nationalised were reliable, I know because I used them. Today, you just have no idea whether the train will turn up, or whether its been cancelled, there s just no comparison between the service of today and under British Rail. To be filed under ''Once upon a time.......'' in the lefty fiction section If you aregoing to resort to accusations of lying, then whats the point of been on these boards to debate politics or your opinions. ? I lived in a village called Castleton, in the Esk Valley, the secondary school which villagers attended was 15 miles down the valley in Whitby, in Winter time we never saw our village in the daylight other than days when we were not at school / weekends. People from several stations along the valley would regularly use the train to go to the village of Danby where the doctors surgery is which serves the upper Esk Valley. Five years I used that train for school, and other than snow storms and heavy snow, I cannot ever remember the train not turning up. (Fact) |
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 26, 2024 14:19:07 GMT
To be filed under ''Once upon a time.......'' in the lefty fiction section If you are going to resort to accusations of lying, then whats the point of been on these boards to debate politics or your opinions. ? I lived in a village called Castleton, in the Esk Valley, the secondary school which villagers attended was 15 miles down the valley in Whitby, in Winter time we never saw our village in the daylight other than days when we were not at school / weekends. People from several stations along the valley would regularly use the train to go to the village of Danby where the doctors surgery is which serves the upper Esk Valley. Five years I used that train for school, and other than snow storms and heavy snow, I cannot ever remember the train not turning up. (Fact) |
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Post by wapentake on Apr 26, 2024 14:38:52 GMT
You are reading the wrong data. Bathing water quality in England"The quality of bathing waters in England has improved significantly in the last 20 years. The latest data from 2019 shows that that 72% achieved the highest standard of Excellent, while 98.3% passed the minimum standard."Ha ha nice try your data is from 2019 mine from this year plus it now emerges that the water companies have what is being called at best misleading data, So who is reading the wrong data?  |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 26, 2024 17:08:19 GMT
You are reading the wrong data. Bathing water quality in England"The quality of bathing waters in England has improved significantly in the last 20 years. The latest data from 2019 shows that that 72% achieved the highest standard of Excellent, while 98.3% passed the minimum standard."Ha ha nice try your data is from 2019 mine from this year plus it now emerges that the water companies have what is being called at best misleading data, So who is reading the wrong data? Who is reading the wrong data? - The person who confuses rivers and bathing waters..  |
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Post by see2 on Apr 26, 2024 17:24:29 GMT
The private sector actually invests very little into our railways, other than the leasing of rolling stock from specialised companies and manufacturers. Most of the investment in railways ( actual railway lines and stations ) comes from government / local government / the tax payer. The Labour plan will do several things, to the advantage of the public, firstly the private sector will continue to benefit via the leasing companies and manufacturers, who in most instances will continue to provide the bulk of rolling stock. The detailed proposals also set out how a new Rail Regulator will operate, one with teeth and proper powers to protect the passenger, this will for instance include instant refunds. Great British Railways will not be answerable to company directors or shareholders, it will be answerable to the British Public and the Minister responsible. My hope or wish is that (if elected) they would eventually do the same to buses, Re-regulate them and give us back the reliable services we used to have. Where on earth do you get the idea that nationalised services were ''reliable'' Nothing could be further from the truth Usually nationalised industries are underfunded, often by the Tory 'anti-nationalisation' governments (as in the NHS) that has dominated the UK parliament since 1951. Cable & Wireless never made a loss from the year they were nationalised (1948) through to when they were started to be privatised by Thatcher in 1980, despite wining the 'Queens award to industry' in 1979. |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 26, 2024 17:31:13 GMT
Labour has been abolishing the house of Lords for over a century and it still hasn't happened yet. The Conservatives and Labour have been building a better Britain ever since WW2 I get these things take time but in 80 years the country has been going backwards financially for the average person and these days, they are not even allowed to protest about it. The Tories have dominated parliament since 1951, so the major responsibility for the UKs poor showing must lay with the Tories. Funny you should say that they are in a no-lose situation it doesn't matter who you think you are voting for. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 26, 2024 17:43:15 GMT
The effects of privatisation - or maybe not.. Flow trimming is one of the reasons for the disgraceful state of our rivers, not one of which, in England or Northern Ireland, is now in “good overall status”Sounds like privatisation is bad - or it would if you ignore the fact that the water system in NI was never privatised - it remained a Nationalised Industry. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 28, 2024 9:42:48 GMT
The private sector actually invests very little into our railways, other than the leasing of rolling stock from specialised companies and manufacturers. Most of the investment in railways ( actual railway lines and stations ) comes from government / local government / the tax payer. The Labour plan will do several things, to the advantage of the public, firstly the private sector will continue to benefit via the leasing companies and manufacturers, who in most instances will continue to provide the bulk of rolling stock. The detailed proposals also set out how a new Rail Regulator will operate, one with teeth and proper powers to protect the passenger, this will for instance include instant refunds. Great British Railways will not be answerable to company directors or shareholders, it will be answerable to the British Public and the Minister responsible. My hope or wish is that (if elected) they would eventually do the same to buses, Re-regulate them and give us back the reliable services we used to have. Where on earth do you get the idea that nationalised services were ''reliable'' Nothing could be further from the truth Well, the problem is, the privatised ones are barely better. If privatisation were the key to reliability (and it was touted as exactly such) then why are there so many refunds for the failure of such. I am far from what you would call a regular rail traveller but every single journey i have taken in the past three years has been delayed or cancelled. The staff are very nice about it, and all my ticket deals were honoured even those the service for which they were booked up to six months earlier no longer exists, but it remains the case that the last rail journey i made that was there for me to board within fifteen minutes of when it should have been, went where it should have gone, and got where it said it was going, within fifteen minutes of its arrival time, was the 125 service i took to hear we'd been stuffed (as i expected we were going to be) by the royal courts of justice when what we should have done is bunged the money at tony blair like that formula 1 chap did
And the only one that got near doing it since that day about twenty four years ago was one about fifteen years ago that had to go through the severn tunnel at 10 mph becuase they'd just found all the railway tracks were almost dangerously unpinned. We were the last train through the tunnel for a month because they closed it to rectify two years of not bothering to maintain it.
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Post by ratcliff on May 6, 2024 11:43:37 GMT
Where on earth do you get the idea that nationalised services were ''reliable'' Nothing could be further from the truth Well, the problem is, the privatised ones are barely better. If privatisation were the key to reliability (and it was touted as exactly such) then why are there so many refunds for the failure of such. I am far from what you would call a regular rail traveller but every single journey i have taken in the past three years has been delayed or cancelled. The staff are very nice about it, and all my ticket deals were honoured even those the service for which they were booked up to six months earlier no longer exists, but it remains the case that the last rail journey i made that was there for me to board within fifteen minutes of when it should have been, went where it should have gone, and got where it said it was going, within fifteen minutes of its arrival time, was the 125 service i took to hear we'd been stuffed (as i expected we were going to be) by the royal courts of justice when what we should have done is bunged the money at tony blair like that formula 1 chap did
And the only one that got near doing it since that day about twenty four years ago was one about fifteen years ago that had to go through the severn tunnel at 10 mph becuase they'd just found all the railway tracks were almost dangerously unpinned. We were the last train through the tunnel for a month because they closed it to rectify two years of not bothering to maintain it.
I do a return two hour e/w train journey a couple of times a month . The trains are rarely late (and then only by 5/10 min) , they are clean ,modern , comfortable, staffed and offer catering . A vast improvement on the old British Rail imo |
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