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Post by Vinny on Apr 25, 2024 9:21:16 GMT
That's a fair comment.
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Post by Vinny on Apr 25, 2024 9:47:44 GMT
Who's going to run it?
And why would they be better/cheaper/more efficient than the current operators?
Those are the questions that need to be answered given that the record of state run enterprise isn't exactly good.
The private sector measures success by profit. The public sector by the size of its workforce. |
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Post by piglet on Apr 25, 2024 9:50:55 GMT
Running a railway is enormously expensive, even so, the fares are off the chart. When i was a lad fares were dirt cheap, we had compartments, and soft seats, it was a joy. Now trains are cattle trucks, people are the cattle, get a hard seat if your lucky, stand for hours, ram em in....for the money. Disgusting.
I would avoid train travel at all costs, who needs that?, the only reason people put up with that is because they have too. Private companies are sh itthing on passengers. So when the state takes over, stand by for blackmail, even now train drivers earn fortunes, the unions will have a field day.
The railways should be above politics, provide good services, striking should not be allowed, either do the job at the rate given or go, if the pay is fair then there wont be a problem. Transport is the life blood of everything, without it we are finished. Renationalisation is the last chance to get it right.
Privatisation is crap. Renationalisation?, Labour will get it wrong deliberately, sowing chaos weherever they go, cultural Marxism at its best.
Watch that... the railways are a disaster and will continue to be.
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 25, 2024 9:51:55 GMT
Who's going to run it?
And why would they be better/cheaper/more efficient than the current operators?
Those are the questions that need to be answered given that the record of state run enterprise isn't exactly good.
The answer to SOME of that can be found in a study of the accounts of Direct Railways (plc ??) the at a distance government created company given the job of running the East Coast Main Line after Virgin and Stagecoach tossed the franchise back having realised they’d bid far too much for it The wholly artificial competition and exploitation of uk travellers mainly to the benefit of foreigners doomed the country and this is perhaps the ONE thing we might benefit from under Labour. Any return to a UK wide transport infrastructure instead of tbe piss poor ‘Transport For Wales’ ripoff where i am denied the sort of deals my parents had as soon as i go east of Offas Dyke is to be roundly celebrated |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 25, 2024 9:54:12 GMT
The reason why train travel has got safer has nothing to do with privatisation. It's because of technological advances in signalling and train control such as the ECTS. Indeed focussing on profit before all else is what caused Hadfield, reduced the Severn Tunnrl to a threat to life and caused the deaths outside Paddington. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 25, 2024 10:12:37 GMT
Going to create an 'arms-length' public body just like the Post Office.. ..what could possibly go wrong..  How could you possibly miss such an insinuation  |
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Post by see2 on Apr 25, 2024 10:21:25 GMT
Who's going to run it?
And why would they be better/cheaper/more efficient than the current operators?
Those are the questions that need to be answered given that the record of state run enterprise isn't exactly good.
The private sector measures success by profit. The public sector by the size of its workforce. The bottom line according to the Labour politician is that the future railways will be run for those who use it, and that a better organised Railway would be a more efficient railway. Sounds good, but the proof is the pudding. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 25, 2024 11:27:38 GMT
Who's going to run it?
And why would they be better/cheaper/more efficient than the current operators?
Those are the questions that need to be answered given that the record of state run enterprise isn't exactly good.
The private sector measures success by profit. The public sector by the size of its workforce. Well indeed. And I can't see how either are going to benefit the passenger. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 25, 2024 15:19:48 GMT
If Labour ran the railways they would have gay lines and dogging bars at the stations.
I mean to give you an example of what is to come, have you been to Manchester recently? Manchester is a place Labour always run, so it would give you some idea what to expect. The two big attractions in recent times have been guns and gays. It used to be called gunchester.
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 25, 2024 15:44:20 GMT
The private sector measures success by profit. The public sector by the size of its workforce. Well indeed. And I can't see how either are going to benefit the passenger. Well at present public subsidies are going to companies making profit for their shareholders. This would no longer be the case. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 25, 2024 15:51:35 GMT
Really is this the worst rail accident in Britain . Accident at Ladbroke Grove on 5th October 1999 Train Operator(s) - First Great Western, Thames Trains Primary Cause(s) - Driver error Secondary Cause(s) - Signal layout defect, inadequate training Result - Signal passed at danger, head on collision, derailment, fire No. Fatalities - 30 No. Injured - 400 1952 Harrow and Wealdstone rail disaster, 340 injured, 112 killed. three trains involved. Operator? British Railways. In fog driver missed signal and collided with rear of another train, then another train hit his.
Hither Green rail disaster 1967. Injured 78, killed 49. Cause of derailment, a broken rail. Operator? British Railways Southern Region. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hither_Green_rail_crash1988 Clapham Junction disaster. Injured 484. Killed 35. Cause unprotected wrong side failure. Operator? British Railways Network SouthEast. 4 trains involved. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clapham_Junction_rail_crashIncreased technology over the years was and is expected to give greater safety on the railways.. Along with stiffer training. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 25, 2024 16:19:01 GMT
nationalisation is always the answer... to what question I'm rather unsure..  |
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 25, 2024 20:20:39 GMT
Privatisation of our railways has been a failure, and in the North of England a DISASTER, and nationalisation should be the only way for public transport.
The annual £2.2 BILLION paid to shareholders can be invested in the rail network, benefitting passengers and the public.
The estimated £700 Million per year which will be saved by having one company "Great British Railways" instead of 14 different companies can also be used to improve services for the general public.
This is going to be one of Labours most popular policies, and it will be very popular amongst the tired, fed up commuters of middle England, including amongst many Tory voters.
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 25, 2024 21:09:35 GMT
I very much doubt the railways will ever be fully nationalised again, even under a Labour government. The problem we have in this country is that people think for a railway to be successeful it must make a profit, and that's wrong. A successeful railway is reliable, comfortable, clean and affordable, that means it has to run at a loss in order to provide a decent service to attract commuters. I think this Labour pledge to renationalise the railways has more to do with vote grabbing because they think people imagine a nationalised railway will be better. Somehow I doubt it, but one thing is for sure, whether privatised or nationalised the railway industry will continue to receive £billions in subsidy. |
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Post by wapentake on Apr 25, 2024 21:21:29 GMT
Whatever your leanings regards political parties not all their ideas are bad and this isn’t bad at all however I have no enthusiasm for Blair mk2 especially being as close as close can be to the eu.
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