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Post by Pacifico on Apr 25, 2024 21:21:36 GMT
Privatisation of our railways has been a failure, and in the North of England a DISASTER, and nationalisation should be the only way for public transport. The annual £2.2 BILLION paid to shareholders can be invested in the rail network, benefitting passengers and the public. The estimated £700 Million per year which will be saved by having one company "Great British Railways" instead of 14 different companies can also be used to improve services for the general public. This is going to be one of Labours most popular policies, and it will be very popular amongst the tired, fed up commuters of middle England, including amongst many Tory voters. Where is the money coming from to make up for the loss in private sector investment? - are you expecting more government subsidy or higher fares? |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 25, 2024 21:22:49 GMT
I remember the railway cattle trucks of the 1970s. They had a suicide door handle that would open up as soon as you pushed it , opening windows for easy decapitation and seats that could be easily removed to search for stray coins . Most of the journey into London was standing only during rush hour . I’ve been swept off my feet by crowds moving towards the train door when there was a union go slow .
I also saw a ‘ porter’ tell a young boy to fuck off on Liverpool Street station when he had the audacity to ask for help .
The train experience today is light years ahead of the experience of nationalised railways …but …and it’s a big but …it was cheaper in the old days ( relatively of course ) and easier to buy a ticket .
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Post by Bentley on Apr 25, 2024 21:23:59 GMT
Privatisation of our railways has been a failure, and in the North of England a DISASTER, and nationalisation should be the only way for public transport. The annual £2.2 BILLION paid to shareholders can be invested in the rail network, benefitting passengers and the public. The estimated £700 Million per year which will be saved by having one company "Great British Railways" instead of 14 different companies can also be used to improve services for the general public. This is going to be one of Labours most popular policies, and it will be very popular amongst the tired, fed up commuters of middle England, including amongst many Tory voters. Where is the money coming from to make up for the loss in private sector investment? - are you expecting more government subsidy or higher fares? Taxes ..more taxes . Probably from the ‘ wealthy ‘ and old people. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 25, 2024 21:25:43 GMT
I remember the railway cattle trucks of the 1970s. They had a suicide door handle that would open up as soon as you pushed it , I actually preferred them - although I also preferred the open platform at the back of busses that meant you could hop on and off between stops. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 25, 2024 21:33:22 GMT
I remember the railway cattle trucks of the 1970s. They had a suicide door handle that would open up as soon as you pushed it , I actually preferred them - although I also preferred the open platform at the back of busses that meant you could hop on and off between stops. I wonder how why so few people fell out the back if those buses. I remember hanging on for dear life while the bus barrelled round country roads . I saw my mate fall out the back if the bus once .lol |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 25, 2024 21:39:05 GMT
The busses in my area were far too clapped out to barrel anywhere - the biggest danger about standing on the platform was from the clouds of black smoke.. But they were nationalised so therefore outstanding..  |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 25, 2024 21:54:37 GMT
The busses in my area were far too clapped out to barrel anywhere - the biggest danger about standing on the platform was from the clouds of black smoke.. But they were nationalised so therefore outstanding.. Indeed. Those buses were more suited to urban areas not the hayseeds . |
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Post by see2 on Apr 25, 2024 22:50:04 GMT
The busses in my area were far too clapped out to barrel anywhere - the biggest danger about standing on the platform was from the clouds of black smoke.. But they were nationalised so therefore outstanding.. They will probably all be electric powered very soon, but no doubt you and or your ilk will still find room for insinuating and whinging. |
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Post by dodgydave on Apr 26, 2024 0:52:52 GMT
Our railways have some massive structural problems because it is the oldest. The main one being the loading gauge, which means reduced passenger numbers and freight restrictions compared to many of our European friends. That means no double deck carriages, and the engines / carriages are bespoke and expensive because we cannot buy mass produced models.
All railways lose huge amounts of money and have to subsidised by the government, but because we are children the politicians avoid telling the truth. French railways for example, are a total sham, they are tens of billions in debt, Macron cannot reform them because of the unions, and the government refuses to publish just how much subsidy they require.
The best system would be a part-private and part-nationalized hybrid system... and a government that is honest about funding / pricing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2024 5:38:29 GMT
I think this is just BS invented to give the plebs something to talk about. I can't even see it working and there are far more important issues. My guess is that this is her idea to throw around some lefty dogma for votes. They'll backtrack or drastically reduce its meaning.
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Post by sheepy on Apr 26, 2024 6:06:03 GMT
My take on it is the Railways are meant to be a private enterprise but they have to be propped up by government anyway, so many are complaining how badly run it was under nationalisation and now how badly run it is in private hands, so it needs nationalising again, my guess is it will still be badly run and less people with a finger in the pie, perhaps but doubtful.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 26, 2024 6:36:05 GMT
Network Rail has been Nationalised for the past decade - has anyone noticed a massive leap in service and performance?
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Post by wapentake on Apr 26, 2024 6:55:43 GMT
Network Rail has been Nationalised for the past decade - has anyone noticed a massive leap in service and performance? Well if you go down that route water and sewage services were privatised 35 years ago and we’ve seen a noticeable deterioration countrywide. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 26, 2024 7:04:10 GMT
Network Rail has been Nationalised for the past decade - has anyone noticed a massive leap in service and performance? Well if you go down that route water and sewage services were privatised 35 years ago and we’ve seen a noticeable deterioration countrywide. thats untrue - for instance 93% of UK bathing waters are rated good or excellent, up from 70% in 2009 and nearly double what is was in the 1990's. |
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Post by wapentake on Apr 26, 2024 7:29:48 GMT
Well if you go down that route water and sewage services were privatised 35 years ago and we’ve seen a noticeable deterioration countrywide. thats untrue - for instance 93% of UK bathing waters are rated good or excellent, up from 70% in 2009 and nearly double what is was in the 1990's. Not according to this lordslibrary.parliament.uk/river-pollution-and-the-regulation-of-private-water-companies/And there was a piece on the national news about the poor quality particularly on the south coast Huge volumes of contaminated effluent and run-off mean the UK is ranked last in Europe for bathing water quality. Rivers are also struggling with the effects of this pollution with just 14% meeting good environmental standards and none reaching good chemical status. |
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