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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 24, 2022 15:20:49 GMT
From a long article in Der Spiegel on the 'The Forthcoming War over Prosperity':
"...In April 2004, a remarkable closed-doors conference took place within the grey confines of the Berlin Zoo, under the auspices of the German Institute for Foreign Affairs. The conference attendees included inverstment bankers, Ministers of State past and present, and prominent business leaders. The theme was “China as an emergent economic power” and was, apparently, addressed with unusual candour.
The German “China Euphoria” is unparalled anywhere else in the world, reported the Vice-president of Asian Operations for Siemens. Hoever, according to Eberhard Sandschneider, director of the Institute, the German debate says more about shortsighted German business interests than it does about China. In the USA there have been “.. warnings ranging from straightforward concerns about business competitiveness to broader geopolitical questions”. In Japan developments in China are being viewed “with grave misgiving”, which the Middle Kingdom has chosen to characterise as “a priori provocations”.
For himself, Sandschneider observed that “at the moment, China has to abide by rules devised by the West”. In a few years, however, that will cease to be the case and at that point “The lessons for the West will commence”. The minutes of this secret conference were subsequently stamped “Confidential – own eyes only”.
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 24, 2022 15:34:05 GMT
In July 2922 the China Research Group a thinly veiled front end for the Chinese state said this, which the literate can digest in a tenth of the time and consuming about one two hundredth of the barons video. chinaresearchgroup.org/research/briefing-chinas-involvement-in-uk-nuclear-powerUnsurprisingly they are somewhat pissed at the fact we’ve rumbled them and thrown them out of involvement in a project of prime interest to our country’s energy self sufficiency In a press release from around the same time picked up by numerous paywalled sites plus this link from the guardian www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/20/hinkley-point-c-nuclear-power-station-edf-delayed-covid-costs-riseThe head honcho in charge of development at Hinkley C provides what seem to me quite convincing arguments, based on government requirements to reduce numbers of people onsite during the worst of the pandemic, for a time delay and cost overrun but state categorically that not a penny of that cost overrun will fall on the British taxpayer as every penny of it would be absorbed by the developers (and their French government backers no doubt) Of course, I could be talking through my arse here, after all what the hell do I know about building nuclear reactors ? Oh, hang on, what’s this bit in my CV about my time at Nuclear Electric designing the safety critical testing regimen for two of them. Hmmm. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 24, 2022 15:50:38 GMT
From a long article in Der Spiegel on the 'The Forthcoming War over Prosperity': "...In April 2004, a remarkable closed-doors conference took place within the grey confines of the Berlin Zoo, under the auspices of the German Institute for Foreign Affairs. The conference attendees included inverstment bankers, Ministers of State past and present, and prominent business leaders. The theme was “China as an emergent economic power” and was, apparently, addressed with unusual candour. The German “China Euphoria” is unparalled anywhere else in the world, reported the Vice-president of Asian Operations for Siemens. Hoever, according to Eberhard Sandschneider, director of the Institute, the German debate says more about shortsighted German business interests than it does about China. In the USA there have been “.. warnings ranging from straightforward concerns about business competitiveness to broader geopolitical questions”. In Japan developments in China are being viewed “with grave misgiving”, which the Middle Kingdom has chosen to characterise as “a priori provocations”. For himself, Sandschneider observed that “at the moment, China has to abide by rules devised by the West”. In a few years, however, that will cease to be the case and at that point “The lessons for the West will commence”. The minutes of this secret conference were subsequently stamped “Confidential – own eyes only”. The Japs are talking to and working with the Chinese now on a range of issues, including central banking. Anyway, if you knew your history in those parts you would understand how they are not the best judge of relations, rather cherry-picking dishonestly.
Also I have n doubt China will become the world's strongest superpower, but the UK is not going to stop that. The UK can't even defend its borders from 3rd worlders in dinghies. In short, we look like a bunch of tossers sailing our tax-funded white elephant off the coasts of China.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 24, 2022 16:02:56 GMT
In July 2922 the China Research Group a thinly veiled front end for the Chinese state said this, which the literate can digest in a tenth of the time and consuming about one two hundredth of the barons video. chinaresearchgroup.org/research/briefing-chinas-involvement-in-uk-nuclear-powerUnsurprisingly they are somewhat pissed at the fact we’ve rumbled them and thrown them out of involvement in a project of prime interest to our country’s energy self sufficiency In a press release from around the same time picked up by numerous paywalled sites plus this link from the guardian www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/20/hinkley-point-c-nuclear-power-station-edf-delayed-covid-costs-riseThe head honcho in charge of development at Hinkley C provides what seem to me quite convincing arguments, based on government requirements to reduce numbers of people onsite during the worst of the pandemic, for a time delay and cost overrun but state categorically that not a penny of that cost overrun will fall on the British taxpayer as every penny of it would be absorbed by the developers (and their French government backers no doubt) Of course, I could be talking through my arse here, after all what the hell do I know about building nuclear reactors ? Oh, hang on, what’s this bit in my CV about my time at Nuclear Electric designing the safety critical testing regimen for two of them. Hmmm.
I think your post is a rambling mess, but I did find one bit in your link of interest:
Which when taking into account what Dan was saying about maintaining Britannia's Rules, it is terribly ironic we are told what to do by Washington and yet the US has not built us anything.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 24, 2022 16:56:29 GMT
I wasn't referring to 'Britannia's Rules' whatever that may mean, but rather the complex system of international treaties, regulations and agreements that govern international trade, defence, legal matters and mutual cooperation. All of which have put put in place by Western liberal democracies and which other states are, for now at least, obliged to comply if they wish to participate in the global systems we have created.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 24, 2022 17:08:31 GMT
I wasn't referring to 'Britannia's Rules' whatever that may mean, but rather the complex system of international treaties, regulations and agreements that govern international trade, defence, legal matters and mutual cooperation. All of which have put put in place by Western liberal democracies and which other states are, for now at least, obliged to comply if they wish to participate in the global systems we have created. Why should China agree to all of that? Look at our ridiculous immigration crisis and our human rights laws that create it. I can't expect China to destroy itself with stupid agreements which are mostly well out of date, indeed formulated just after WW2.
I want to know specifically what you think China would do to hurt us given it has built some power stations?
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