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Post by Ripley on Apr 21, 2024 14:31:46 GMT
We do know that he opposes such marches because he says so on the video posted earlier. He calls for them to be curtailed or banned outright. Nevertheless, I take your point that his political beliefs may not have been transparent at the time in question. However, I think it's not unlikely some march participants would make an assumption about a man wearing a kippah and carrying a bag emblazoned with stars of David. I question why he would want to cross such a protest march and then set up an other opportunity to do it again. Clearly his objective went farther than just crossing a road. Then why are the left not defending the right of people not to be tarred with the same brush in this instance because of their belief. If one went about blaming any stray Muslim for terrorism the left would be over it like a rash as unfair, unwarranted and racist. This is a fine demonstration of hypocrisy in action. What has this to do with right or left? We are discussing a specific man who put himself in a specific situation. I don't see him as representative of all who share his religion or culture. I happen to have Jewish friends who are far too sensible to endanger themselves and others by inserting themselves into a protest march to inflame tensions. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2024 14:39:15 GMT
We do know that he opposes such marches because he says so on the video posted earlier. He calls for them to be curtailed or banned outright. Nevertheless, I take your point that his political beliefs may not have been transparent at the time in question. However, I think it's not unlikely some march participants would make an assumption about a man wearing a kippah and carrying a bag emblazoned with stars of David. I question why he would want to cross such a protest march and then set up an other opportunity to do it again. Clearly his objective went farther than just crossing a road. Then why are the left not defending the right of people not to be tarred with the same brush in this instance because of their belief. If one went about blaming any stray Muslim for terrorism the left would be over it like a rash as unfair, unwarranted and racist. This is a fine demonstration of hypocrisy in action. Given his track record and who he supports this doesn't come as a surprise. Keep in mind that this is happening in England. |
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Post by patman post on Apr 21, 2024 14:43:48 GMT
Or, not enough notice was taken of Macpherson and too few necessary changes were made... They took on board Mcpherson, despite his lack of evidence for his findings, and implemented his recommendations. It has led to the treatment of individuals differently dependant on their race or religion etc, a rather sad state of affairs. We had years of disruption from various communities demanding equality under the law. Now the upholders of the law have to consider identity at all times and equality of treatment is still a problem except of course it has changed direction by official demand. 51% to 42%, Londoners don’t trust the Metropolitan Police
And the Metropolitan Police is far less trusted among Londoners than the police in general.
Do you think civil policing anywhere can work in the UK without the trust of the majority of the population...?
PS: although the topic is connected, I've made my argument on the Met in English Local Politics & News...
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 21, 2024 15:05:57 GMT
...I am not of "the left". All The Best LOL!  |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 21, 2024 15:08:47 GMT
Anyways, back to the plot and it seems that the generic lefties and other anti-Semites have proved the OP's point: Apparently it is illegal to be Jewish lest one inflame anti-Semites to violence.
1930s Germany coming to a town near you.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 21, 2024 15:10:46 GMT
They took on board Mcpherson, despite his lack of evidence for his findings, and implemented his recommendations. It has led to the treatment of individuals differently dependant on their race or religion etc, a rather sad state of affairs. We had years of disruption from various communities demanding equality under the law. Now the upholders of the law have to consider identity at all times and equality of treatment is still a problem except of course it has changed direction by official demand. 51% to 42%, Londoners don’t trust the Metropolitan Police And the Metropolitan Police is far less trusted among Londoners than the police in general.
Do you think civil policing anywhere can work in the UK without the trust of the majority of the population...?
PS: although the topic is connected, I've made my argument on the Met in English Local Politics & News...
But... YouGov. |
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Post by Ripley on Apr 21, 2024 15:11:25 GMT
Anyways, back to the plot and it seems that the generic lefties and other anti-Semites have proved the OP's point: Apparently it is illegal to be Jewish lest one inflame anti-Semites to violence.
1930s Germany coming to a town near you.
Well that's a sweeping generalisation. All lefties are anti-Semites, are they? My lefty Jewish friends and neighbors will be shocked to hear that. |
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Post by patman post on Apr 21, 2024 16:33:07 GMT
Lefties used to stand for the common man , the working class, the underdog . Thats up until the 60s when the Leftie elites was more interested in counterculture. They despised the working class so they concentrated on ‘ oppressed minority groups ‘ . By the time Blair got in they couldn’t hide it .. 1950s to early 60s Labour politicians were interested in better council homes and school milk for kids. 1980s Labour politicians were interested in immigrants and homosexuals . 2000s Labour politicians are interested in mass immigration, trans ..whatever and demonising white people ,especially working class white people Yes you're right. As a result of Victorian working conditions the Labour party were born from the trade union movement and at that time they were very needed. But things have moved on a lot over the past 100 years. People like Ramsay McDonald and Clem Atlee wouldn't recognise todays Labour party. And that's the problem Labour have. You're right, Labour used to speak for the working man, those days are gone, long gone. These days the champagne socialists at the top of the Labour party couldn't give a toss for the working man, they are far more concerned with ingratiating themselves to the supranational EU, woke and minority causes like BLM. So do you think notable Tory leaders such as Balfour, Bonar Law, Churchill, Macmillan, Thatcher or Major would recognise — or want to be associated with — today's rebelling Tories such as the Common Sense Group, Truss supporting Conservative Growth Group, ERG, and Red Wall New Conservatives all snapping at the leadership and pushing the party far further Right than voters appear to be comfortable with?
Then there's those mostly unpleasant characters with limited apparent ability currently jostling for a go at leadership
Add to the mix the cavalier attitude to the truth and honesty of Boris Johnson when PM, and I suggest they'd all be horrified — and probably as tired of the current government as most of the rest of the country...
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 21, 2024 16:44:02 GMT
Blimey, at least have the balls to admit it was an anti-Jew march instead of wriggling and bullshitting. Except it wasn't. It was an anti-current-Israeli-government march. Protesting against something done by some very small percentage of Israeli Jews is NOT and can NEVER BE classed the same as protesting against all Jews. All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 21, 2024 17:14:41 GMT
So why would it be dangerous for a Jew to cross the road? - the guy in question is English and has as much to do with Netanyahu's regime as you do. The only reason that a Jew crossing the road would trigger people to violence is if they were antisemitic. It isn't dangerous for a Jew to cross the road. But this isn't about crossing the road. It's about crossing through a protest march which he opposes, and that provocation could be dangerous not only to him but to others as well. We keep coming back to the issue that you are refusing to face - there would be no provocation if these pro-Hamas marches were not inherently violent. If you are going to be provoked by a Jew crossing the road then possibly the best place for you is behind bars. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 21, 2024 17:17:23 GMT
Blimey, at least have the balls to admit it was an anti-Jew march instead of wriggling and bullshitting. Except it wasn't. It was an anti-current-Israeli-government march. Protesting against something done by some very small percentage of Israeli Jews is NOT and can NEVER BE classed the same as protesting against all Jews.So why would a British citizen who happens to be Jewish be in danger when crossing the road? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2024 17:20:51 GMT
Anyways, back to the plot and it seems that the generic lefties and other anti-Semites have proved the OP's point: Apparently it is illegal to be Jewish lest one inflame anti-Semites to violence.
1930s Germany coming to a town near you.
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Post by Ripley on Apr 21, 2024 17:21:10 GMT
It isn't dangerous for a Jew to cross the road. But this isn't about crossing the road. It's about crossing through a protest march which he opposes, and that provocation could be dangerous not only to him but to others as well. We keep coming back to the issue that you are refusing to face - there would be no provocation if these pro-Hamas marches were not inherently violent. If you are going to be provoked by a Jew crossing the road then possibly the best place for you is behind bars. And you are refusing to face the fact that this man was intent on provocation, as evidenced by his subsequent planning of a future confrontation. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2024 17:38:28 GMT
It isn't dangerous for a Jew to cross the road. But this isn't about crossing the road. It's about crossing through a protest march which he opposes, and that provocation could be dangerous not only to him but to others as well. We keep coming back to the issue that you are refusing to face - there would be no provocation if these pro-Hamas marches were not inherently violent. If you are going to be provoked by a Jew crossing the road then possibly the best place for you is behind bars. He stated that the police made the correct decision to threaten him with arrest and for his own safety. He keeps claiming his presence was provocation. All that can be established is that this man was Jewish (the crime). He's waffling and making up any excuse he can pull out of his backside to deny it was an anti-Jew rally full of people who are a danger to the general public, especially Jews. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 21, 2024 17:45:46 GMT
We keep coming back to the issue that you are refusing to face - there would be no provocation if these pro-Hamas marches were not inherently violent. If you are going to be provoked by a Jew crossing the road then possibly the best place for you is behind bars. And you are refusing to face the fact that this man was intent on provocation, as evidenced by his subsequent planning of a future confrontation. Again - if you are the type to be provoked by a Jew crossing the road should you really be allowed out of secure accommodation? You seem to think it is a normal reaction for people to be provoked into violence by a Jew crossing the road - it is not and should never be. |
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