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Post by Bentley on Apr 13, 2024 15:19:23 GMT
If not Hands Across the Ocean it'll have to be Splendid Isolation then. With a little bit of a Pan-Asian Tilt. Yeah, that should work out just great. You “ On the contrary, I have been cautioning against a revival of the Atlanticist credo for many years on a variety of platforms. As well as warning it would be an inevitable consequence of any successful movement to separate the UK from the rest of Europe. Promoters of 'Leave' did not need to publicise this to their camp followers, it was a foregone conclusion.“ From saying ‘ we are and I told you so ’ you’ve changed to ‘ If we don’t ‘. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 13, 2024 15:21:47 GMT
As a bookend to the earlier thread on the Third Reich, is it appropriate to ask whether the United States is also a cultural desert? Especially since it seems to be an outcome of Brexit, if not an actual objective, that Britain should cast off from its European moorings and align itself more closely with the USA, not just economically, but also politically, socially and culturally as well.
Any dissenting thoughts at this point, before we continue? Well I do have one
Prior to Cameron's announcement regarding the holding of a referendum, i know - because several client companies at which i was freelancing openly spoke of it to their employees - that American Business saw Britain as an English Speaking Doorway to European Markets which Brexit closed the door to
We in the UK might be keen to open trade with the US, but I wonder if much of the US will be interested seeing as the only real thing we had to be exploited for - which is after all the only thing an american company gives a shit about - is no longer available, so i question whether they would be interested in keeping up this pretence when there is no money to be made
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Post by Orac on Apr 13, 2024 15:32:48 GMT
If the EU wasn't run by people with bizzare and totalising personality disorders, no such dichotomy would exist. We are, after all, as much a pert of Europe as France Physically that is true, but mentally it is not. I think you can draw a proper line between Europe and the bizarre egomaniac lunatics who appear to currently run the EU. I certainly do. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 13, 2024 15:43:15 GMT
Physically that is true, but mentally it is not. I think you can draw a proper line between Europe and the bizarre egomaniac lunatics who appear to currently run the EU. I certainly do. How would you compare the lunatics who run the EU with those who run the USA and the UK, on a scale of 1 to 10? |
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Post by Ripley on Apr 13, 2024 15:43:45 GMT
As a bookend to the earlier thread on the Third Reich, is it appropriate to ask whether the United States is also a cultural desert? Especially since it seems to be an outcome of Brexit, if not an actual objective, that Britain should cast off from its European moorings and align itself more closely with the USA, not just economically, but also politically, socially and culturally as well.
Any dissenting thoughts at this point, before we continue? Well I do have one
Prior to Cameron's announcement regarding the holding of a referendum, i know - because several client companies at which i was freelancing openly spoke of it to their employees - that American Business saw Britain as an English Speaking Doorway to European Markets which Brexit closed the door to
We in the UK might be keen to open trade with the US, but I wonder if much of the US will be interested seeing as the only real thing we had to be exploited for - which is after all the only thing an american company gives a shit about - is no longer available, so i question whether they would be interested in keeping up this pretence when there is no money to be made
Why would the US need an English speaking doorway to European markets when they are already doing a vast volume ($1.3 Trillion in 2022) of trading with the EU every year? The US and UK already enjoy a very robust trade relationship, and the UK is exporting considerably more than it is importing from the US. Total trade in goods and services (exports plus imports) between the UK and United States was £315.1 billion in the four quarters to the end of Q3 2023, an increase of 16.8% or £45.2 billion in current prices from the four quarters to the end of Q3 2022. Of this £315.1 billion: • Total UK exports to United States amounted to £193.1 billion in the four quarters to the end of Q3 2023 (an increase of 16.2% or £27.0 billion in current prices, compared to the four quarters to the end of Q3 2022); • Total UK imports from United States amounted to £122.0 billion in the four quarters to the end of Q3 2023 (an increase of 17.6% or £18.3 billion in current prices, compared to the four quarters to the end of Q3 2022). United States was the UK’s largest trading partner in the four quarters to the end of Q3 2023 accounting for 17.7% of total UK trade.1 assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65f99f2e9316f5001164c319/united-states-trade-and-investment-factsheet-2024-03-21.pdfustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/europe/european-union |
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 13, 2024 15:54:36 GMT
Having lived in the US for many years I am constantly amazed that it is the UK's largest export market. It is extremely rare to come across British goods in the retail sector and the UK certainly does not have a reputation for excellence in the capital equipment field, compared to say Germany and Japan. So what are Americans buying that is Made in Britain?
As far as being an English-speaking gateway to Europe, US firms have been quietly scaling down or closing their UK operations for quite a few years now. The list is quite long - of the top of my head I can think of Ford, General Motors, Hoover, Mars, Texas Instruments, IBM, Honeywell and a number of others. The 'gateway to the EU' argument no longer holds if indeed it ever did.
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Post by bancroft on Apr 13, 2024 16:12:26 GMT
America has its own regions and have their own regional accents and diets.
They also had the psychic Edgar Cayce who 'invented' the naturopathic diet and was consulted by the including presidents and the like.
Also a woman doctor there stopped them using the Thalidomide drug so they had no deformed children.
Of course their culture only begins with the Mayflower yet it is still their culture.
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Post by Ripley on Apr 13, 2024 16:37:45 GMT
Having lived in the US for many years I am constantly amazed that it is the UK's largest export market. It is extremely rare to come across British goods in the retail sector and the UK certainly does not have a reputation for excellence in the capital equipment field, compared to say Germany and Japan. So what are Americans buying that is Made in Britain?
As far as being an English-speaking gateway to Europe, US firms have been quietly scaling down or closing their UK operations for quite a few years now. The list is quite long - of the top of my head I can think of Ford, General Motors, Hoover, Mars, Texas Instruments, IBM, Honeywell and a number of others. The 'gateway to the EU' argument no longer holds if indeed it ever did.
American imports from Britain: tradingeconomics.com/united-states/imports/united-kingdomAmazing, I agree. |
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Post by borchester on Apr 13, 2024 16:51:28 GMT
America has its own regions and have their own regional accents and diets. They also had the psychic Edgar Cayce who 'invented' the naturopathic diet and was consulted by the including presidents and the like. Also a woman doctor there stopped them using the Thalidomide drug so they had no deformed children. Of course their culture only begins with the Mayflower yet it is still their culture. The Mayflower's passengers got off as soon as they ran out of beer.
That is the sort of culture I approve of
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 13, 2024 19:39:18 GMT
Well I do have one
Prior to Cameron's announcement regarding the holding of a referendum, i know - because several client companies at which i was freelancing openly spoke of it to their employees - that American Business saw Britain as an English Speaking Doorway to European Markets which Brexit closed the door to
We in the UK might be keen to open trade with the US, but I wonder if much of the US will be interested seeing as the only real thing we had to be exploited for - which is after all the only thing an american company gives a shit about - is no longer available, so i question whether they would be interested in keeping up this pretence when there is no money to be made
Why would the US need an English speaking doorway to European markets when they are already doing a vast volume ($1.3 Trillion in 2022) of trading with the EU every year? The US and UK already enjoy a very robust trade relationship, and the UK is exporting considerably more than it is importing from the US. Total trade in goods and services (exports plus imports) between the UK and United States was £315.1 billion in the four quarters to the end of Q3 2023, an increase of 16.8% or £45.2 billion in current prices from the four quarters to the end of Q3 2022. Of this £315.1 billion: • Total UK exports to United States amounted to £193.1 billion in the four quarters to the end of Q3 2023 (an increase of 16.2% or £27.0 billion in current prices, compared to the four quarters to the end of Q3 2022); • Total UK imports from United States amounted to £122.0 billion in the four quarters to the end of Q3 2023 (an increase of 17.6% or £18.3 billion in current prices, compared to the four quarters to the end of Q3 2022). United States was the UK’s largest trading partner in the four quarters to the end of Q3 2023 accounting for 17.7% of total UK trade.1 assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65f99f2e9316f5001164c319/united-states-trade-and-investment-factsheet-2024-03-21.pdfustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/europe/european-unionYou misunderstand, or maybe I did not express myself well By running a front / shell company in the UK an American parent outfit has access as an insider to the single market which an American trading with tbe EU does not. Maybe I see the downside all the time |
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Post by Ripley on Apr 13, 2024 20:20:46 GMT
Why would the US need an English speaking doorway to European markets when they are already doing a vast volume ($1.3 Trillion in 2022) of trading with the EU every year? The US and UK already enjoy a very robust trade relationship, and the UK is exporting considerably more than it is importing from the US. Total trade in goods and services (exports plus imports) between the UK and United States was £315.1 billion in the four quarters to the end of Q3 2023, an increase of 16.8% or £45.2 billion in current prices from the four quarters to the end of Q3 2022. Of this £315.1 billion: • Total UK exports to United States amounted to £193.1 billion in the four quarters to the end of Q3 2023 (an increase of 16.2% or £27.0 billion in current prices, compared to the four quarters to the end of Q3 2022); • Total UK imports from United States amounted to £122.0 billion in the four quarters to the end of Q3 2023 (an increase of 17.6% or £18.3 billion in current prices, compared to the four quarters to the end of Q3 2022). United States was the UK’s largest trading partner in the four quarters to the end of Q3 2023 accounting for 17.7% of total UK trade.1 assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65f99f2e9316f5001164c319/united-states-trade-and-investment-factsheet-2024-03-21.pdfustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/europe/european-unionYou misunderstand, or maybe I did not express myself well By running a front / shell company in the UK an American parent outfit has access as an insider to the single market which an American trading with tbe EU does not. Maybe I see the downside all the time I still don't see the necessity for that, John. The US is already doing a huge amount of trade with the EU quite successfully, as Obama predicted would happen prior to Brexit. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 13, 2024 20:40:23 GMT
I have enough personal experience of living in the EU to know that what you are decrying as an uncontrollable bureaucracy has next to no actual impact or effect on people's lives. It's only in the UK that such a chimera has been turned into a phantasmagorical threat that has been able to grow and fester. Elsewhere in Europe it's pretty much a non-event. Then you are wrong, many things have impacted peoples lives usually in small ways but it is progressive and continual. Freedom of movement is the big obvious one that has created more and different 'communities' in Britain where the experience for many ordinary people is unsettling where locals become the outsiders in many areas. The new Abattoir rules that came in after joining the EU effectively ended many small abattoirs existence with a knock on effect for costs to many consumers seeking meat that was local and healthy. A bureaucracy is measured by the regulations and laws it produces and there are not many large countries that have fewer regulations, laws and directives than the EU. The Acquis Communitaire is an unreadable, and largely not understandable 80,000 plus items with many items being mammoth tomes in themselves |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 13, 2024 21:15:35 GMT
Having lived in the US for many years I am constantly amazed that it is the UK's largest export market. It is extremely rare to come across British goods in the retail sector and the UK certainly does not have a reputation for excellence in the capital equipment field, compared to say Germany and Japan. So what are Americans buying that is Made in Britain?
As far as being an English-speaking gateway to Europe, US firms have been quietly scaling down or closing their UK operations for quite a few years now. The list is quite long - of the top of my head I can think of Ford, General Motors, Hoover, Mars, Texas Instruments, IBM, Honeywell and a number of others. The 'gateway to the EU' argument no longer holds if indeed it ever did.
Interesting that Ford is top of your list when Ford shut down their last remaining vehicle plant due to EU aid to Turkey (not an EU member) to build a replacement assembly plant. The EU were a menace to production in the UK. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 13, 2024 22:15:43 GMT
You misunderstand, or maybe I did not express myself well By running a front / shell company in the UK an American parent outfit has access as an insider to the single market which an American trading with tbe EU does not. Maybe I see the downside all the time I still don't see the necessity for that, John. The US is already doing a huge amount of trade with the EU quite successfully, as Obama predicted would happen prior to Brexit. So why all the fuss about that trade agreement the Americans wanted to do with the EU using us as their stepping stone before we voted to tell the EU to go fuck itself ? Or was that bullshit to try to persuade people like me to vote to stay in the Federal state of the EU |
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Post by Ripley on Apr 13, 2024 22:35:46 GMT
I still don't see the necessity for that, John. The US is already doing a huge amount of trade with the EU quite successfully, as Obama predicted would happen prior to Brexit. So why all the fuss about that trade agreement the Americans wanted to do with the EU using us as their stepping stone before we voted to tell the EU to go fuck itself ? Or was that bullshit to try to persuade people like me to vote to stay in the Federal state of the EU I haven't a clue. Brexit was not popular with the administration at the time, perhaps because they saw that it would put them in the position of regrettably having to give priority to EU trade over UK trade, because the former is a much more lucrative market. |
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