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Post by Bentley on Apr 13, 2024 8:55:04 GMT
America is a relatively young country, so of course it is bound to be lagging behind Europe, Africa and Asia in terms of heritage sites. However, America absolutely dominates Film, TV, Music and popular culture. Yup. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 13, 2024 9:19:31 GMT
America is a relatively young country, so of course it is bound to be lagging behind Europe, Africa and Asia in terms of heritage sites. However, America absolutely dominates Film, TV, Music and popular culture. The area that has become the United States has been continuously inhabited longer than the British Isles, which have 31 cultural sites. Of the 12 Unesco cultural heritage sites in the US half of them are pre-Columbian. Canada, which has only around a tenth of the population, has almost as many post-Columbian sites (5) as the US. The United States, as a political entity, comes off even worse in any such comparison.
And yes, I already noted American hegemony in film production at least as far as mass entertainment in the West is concerned. We could include TV, music and other aspects of popular entertainment in that hegemonic set as well. But the question remains: is it 'culture'? And further, is it a cultural asset for the West as a whole? As opposed to simply an economic asset for the United States.
Is it (US popular 'culture') a good enough reason for the UK to cast off its European moorings and attach itself to the United States instead, as the Brexiteer dogma appears to require?
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Post by Bentley on Apr 13, 2024 9:22:39 GMT
America is a relatively young country, so of course it is bound to be lagging behind Europe, Africa and Asia in terms of heritage sites. However, America absolutely dominates Film, TV, Music and popular culture. The area that has become the United States has been continuously inhabited longer than the British Isles, which have 31 cultural sites. Of the 12 Unesco cultural heritage sites in the US half of them are pre-Columbian. Canada, which has only around a tenth of the population, has almost as many post-Columbian sites (5) as the US. The United States, as a political entity, comes off even worse in any such comparison.
And yes, I already noted American hegemony in film production at least as far as mass entertainment in the West is concerned. We could include TV, music and other aspects of popular entertainment in that hegemonic set as well. But the question remains: is it 'culture'? And further, is it a cultural asset for the West as a whole? As opposed to simply an economic asset for the United States.
Is it (US popular 'culture') a good enough reason for the UK to cast off its European moorings and attach itself to the United States instead, as the Brexiteer dogma appears to require?
Never saw that in the Leave campaign. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 13, 2024 9:24:39 GMT
More fool you.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 13, 2024 9:28:14 GMT
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 13, 2024 9:37:10 GMT
On the contrary, I have been cautioning against a revival of the Atlanticist credo for many years on a variety of platforms. As well as warning it would be an inevitable consequence of any successful movement to separate the UK from the rest of Europe. Promoters of 'Leave' did not need to publicise this to their camp followers, it was a foregone conclusion.
I'm on record as stating that future historians will consider Brexit to the greatest geo-strategic blunder since the loss of the American colonies or the failure to reach an accommodation with Wilhelmine Germany. Several times.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 13, 2024 11:30:13 GMT
On the contrary, I have been cautioning against a revival of the Atlanticist credo for many years on a variety of platforms. As well as warning it would be an inevitable consequence of any successful movement to separate the UK from the rest of Europe. Promoters of 'Leave' did not need to publicise this to their camp followers, it was a foregone conclusion.
I'm on record as stating that future historians will consider Brexit to the greatest geo-strategic blunder since the loss of the American colonies or the failure to reach an accommodation with Wilhelmine Germany. Several times.
Translation…. ..they didn’t . You made it up. |
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Post by Orac on Apr 13, 2024 12:15:00 GMT
America is a relatively young country, so of course it is bound to be lagging behind Europe, Africa and Asia in terms of heritage sites. However, America absolutely dominates Film, TV, Music and popular culture. Is it (US popular 'culture') a good enough reason for the UK to cast off its European moorings and attach itself to the United States instead, as the Brexiteer dogma appears to require?
If the EU wasn't run by people with bizzare and totalising personality disorders, no such dichotomy would exist. We are, after all, as much a pert of Europe as France |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 13, 2024 12:27:19 GMT
America is a relatively young country, so of course it is bound to be lagging behind Europe, Africa and Asia in terms of heritage sites. However, America absolutely dominates Film, TV, Music and popular culture. The area that has become the United States has been continuously inhabited longer than the British Isles, which have 31 cultural sites. Of the 12 Unesco cultural heritage sites in the US half of them are pre-Columbian. Canada, which has only around a tenth of the population, has almost as many post-Columbian sites (5) as the US. The United States, as a political entity, comes off even worse in any such comparison.
And yes, I already noted American hegemony in film production at least as far as mass entertainment in the West is concerned. We could include TV, music and other aspects of popular entertainment in that hegemonic set as well. But the question remains: is it 'culture'? And further, is it a cultural asset for the West as a whole? As opposed to simply an economic asset for the United States.
Is it (US popular 'culture') a good enough reason for the UK to cast off its European moorings and attach itself to the United States instead, as the Brexiteer dogma appears to require?
It depends what you mean by 'moorings'. I think most people are strong proponents of intergovernmental cooperation but that is not the same as attaching one's sovereignty irreversibly to a bureaucratic entity over which we have only limited control in terms of policy direction and actual policy making. I am surprised that you of all people support such an organisation as the EU as democracy depends very much on a homogenous demos and we are losing that here and it never existed in the EU. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 13, 2024 12:30:48 GMT
We share a common history/ culture with all of the Anglo Saxon countries . It’s natural that we would gravitate to one another .
That doesn’t mean that we would seek to become one with them . Either culturally or politically.
Also as the Black and Latino numbers and influence grow in the US the cultural divide with the Uk ( that there is )will become wider
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 13, 2024 12:35:02 GMT
I have enough personal experience of living in the EU to know that what you are decrying as an uncontrollable bureaucracy has next to no actual impact or effect on people's lives.
It's only in the UK that such a chimera has been turned into a phantasmagorical threat that has been able to grow and fester. Elsewhere in Europe it's pretty much a non-event.
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 13, 2024 12:36:49 GMT
If the EU wasn't run by people with bizzare and totalising personality disorders, no such dichotomy would exist. We are, after all, as much a pert of Europe as France Physically that is true, but mentally it is not. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 13, 2024 12:41:41 GMT
We share a common history/ culture with all of the Anglo Saxon countries . It’s natural that we would gravitate to one another . That doesn’t mean that we would seek to become one with them . Either culturally or politically. Also as the Black and Latino numbers and influence grow in the US the cultural divide with the Uk ( that there is )will become wider That's true, in less than twenty years a majority of the population of the United States will have no European ancestry. It seems a very short-sighted 'solution' for a country which will still be of predominantly European ancestry to plan to couple its destiny with such an alien culture.
And yet...
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Post by Bentley on Apr 13, 2024 12:56:03 GMT
We share a common history/ culture with all of the Anglo Saxon countries . It’s natural that we would gravitate to one another . That doesn’t mean that we would seek to become one with them . Either culturally or politically. Also as the Black and Latino numbers and influence grow in the US the cultural divide with the Uk ( that there is )will become wider That's true, in less than twenty years a majority of the population of the United States will have no European ancestry. It seems a very short-sighted 'solution' for a country which will still be of predominantly European ancestry to plan to couple its destiny with such an alien culture.
And yet...
Its a good thing that we are not then . |
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 13, 2024 13:07:03 GMT
If not Hands Across the Ocean it'll have to be Splendid Isolation then. With a little bit of a Pan-Asian Tilt.
Yeah, that should work out just great.
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