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Post by Bentley on Apr 7, 2024 10:52:52 GMT
Childish as ever ^^^ BYE. Make that 3. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 7, 2024 10:57:06 GMT
Labour will make a better job of improving and growing our economy... Pure subjective opinion. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 7, 2024 10:59:11 GMT
Labour will make a better job of improving and growing our economy... Pure subjective opinion. And wishful thinking . |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 7, 2024 11:09:17 GMT
Labour will make a better job of improving and growing our economy We desperately need a different government with different priorities - priorities which will actually help ordinary people. What like the last time the wankers infested the HOC fiddles?
Their priorities are to piss the poor and the needy taxes against the wall...When have labour ever helped ordinary people? The legs always open rayner is suposed to be ordinary FFS
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 7, 2024 11:14:01 GMT
Well maybe the electorate will give the Tories a second chance, oh no, wait a minute, we have had THREE general elections since 2010, so maybe the electorate will give the Tories a fifth chance to improve things. Or is 14 years, 5 Prime Ministers, 2 recessions, permanent low growth, increasing poverty, lower living standards, a crashed economy, a cost of living crisis and the NHS back to how it always is under the Tories, enough. ? |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 7, 2024 11:24:35 GMT
Well maybe the electorate will give the Tories a second chance, oh no, wait a minute, we have had THREE general elections since 2010, so maybe the electorate will give the Tories a fifth chance to improve things. Or is 14 years, 5 Prime Ministers, 2 recessions, permanent low growth, increasing poverty, lower living standards, a crashed economy, a cost of living crisis and the NHS back to how it always is under the Tories, enough. ? Don’t worry. There’s plenty of scope for Labour to make things worse . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 7, 2024 11:34:12 GMT
Well maybe the electorate will give the Tories a second chance, oh no, wait a minute, we have had THREE general elections since 2010, so maybe the electorate will give the Tories a fifth chance to improve things. Or is 14 years, 5 Prime Ministers, 2 recessions, permanent low growth, increasing poverty, lower living standards, a crashed economy, a cost of living crisis and the NHS back to how it always is under the Tories, enough. ? Let's not forget Covid and Ukraine. And let's not forget that Starmers answer to everything that the Tories did was: We'd do the same but more so.
So if the Tories are the cause of all our current woes then, based on all available evidence, Labour will be worse.
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 7, 2024 12:08:17 GMT
Well maybe the electorate will give the Tories a second chance, oh no, wait a minute, we have had THREE general elections since 2010, so maybe the electorate will give the Tories a fifth chance to improve things. Or is 14 years, 5 Prime Ministers, 2 recessions, permanent low growth, increasing poverty, lower living standards, a crashed economy, a cost of living crisis and the NHS back to how it always is under the Tories, enough. ? Let's not forget Covid and Ukraine. And let's not forget that Starmers answer to everything that the Tories did was: We'd do the same but more so.
So if the Tories are the cause of all our current woes then, based on all available evidence, Labour will be worse.
Our growth was terrible BEFORE the Covid pandemic, we teetered on the very edge of recession, the NHS was deteriorating BEFORE anyone had ever heard of Covid19, waiting lists were rising rapidly. I accept that both the war in Ukraine and the Pandemic caused turmoil, but many Western economies have now got over it and are back to good, steady growth. Nations that were far more dependant on Russian gas and oil are today doing much better than we are The period prior to the World financial crisis 1997 - 2007 was the last time this country was doing really well, under a Labour government. The Conservatives had 10 whole years to get our economy moving before the pandemic arrived, ten years to improve life for people, but everything went backwards. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 7, 2024 15:09:40 GMT
Let's not forget Covid and Ukraine. And let's not forget that Starmers answer to everything that the Tories did was: We'd do the same but more so.
So if the Tories are the cause of all our current woes then, based on all available evidence, Labour will be worse.
Our growth was terrible BEFORE the Covid pandemic, we teetered on the very edge of recession, the NHS was deteriorating BEFORE anyone had ever heard of Covid19, waiting lists were rising rapidly. I accept that both the war in Ukraine and the Pandemic caused turmoil, but many Western economies have now got over it and are back to good, steady growth. Nations that were far more dependant on Russian gas and oil are today doing much better than we are The period prior to the World financial crisis 1997 - 2007 was the last time this country was doing really well, under a Labour government. The Conservatives had 10 whole years to get our economy moving before the pandemic arrived, ten years to improve life for people, but everything went backwards. Come off it, fiddles: Blair's government was initially successful because it initially followed established Tory policies.
It was only when they started doing their own thing that it went wrong. And even then they had the cheek to blame the previous Tory administration.
Mind you, some lefty twats still blame everything on Mrs T which just goes to show how moronic leftists are.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 7, 2024 17:21:19 GMT
Labour will make a better job of improving and growing our economy because Progressive Politics believes in "Intervention", which is a dirty word to British Conservatives, they dont do intervention. Some of us are old enough to remember the last time the government started picking winners - we ended up with Tony Benn trying to ‘pick winners’ like Triumph Meridien which often resulted in subsidising losers at the taxpayers’ expense. Maybe it will be different next time..  |
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Post by anthropoz on Apr 7, 2024 19:49:47 GMT
Who takes Labour seriously ? The current answer is ... a lot more people than those who take the Tories seriously, hence the now commanding lead in the polls. The last time the Tories were ahead of Labour in any national poll was in December 2021, well over two years ago, and an election is now probably six months away. LOL you jest of course. Yes people will vote Labour, but many of them will be holding their nose. Being the best worst option is hardly a resounding endorsement of approval. That doesn't matter. If the polls are right, and nothing much shifts them before the election, then Labour is heading for biggest majority for any normal government in British history. The incoming government isn't going to be bothered about the fact that not many people are particularly enthused by them, because they've got 5, and probably 10, years to attempt to prove what they can actually do. Until now, Starmer has followed a strategy of being as centrist, unscary, conventional and generally vanilla as possible. The strategy has been to look boring and professional and wait for the tories to lose the election, rather than actually trying to win it. That is only beginning to change now, and will have to change completely when the manifestos come out. At that point Starmer must reveal a lot of his hand, and when he takes office he is going to have to reveal the rest of it. Nobody is going to care about how vanilla Labour was before the election. Labour may well end up in trouble quite rapidly, especially if they make the wrong calls in the culture wars or on immigration, though Starmer has looked pretty savvy on that front recently. My point is this: the electorate takes Labour seriously enough to be about to put them in a position where they can do pretty much anything they like. What is going to matter is what they actually do with that power, and right now I don't think many people have a clear idea what to expect. That is one of the reasons why the tories are in so much trouble -- it is quite hard to attack Labour at the minute, because there isn't very much to attack. |
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Post by anthropoz on Apr 7, 2024 20:04:48 GMT
I think transport will be a vague memory as Starmer rolls out 15 minute city imprisonment in tbe name of net zero worship. I will be dead before the stupidity of this is realised. You can also kiss goodbye to whatever remains of the UK as Starmer returns to Blairs policy of flooding the place with any immigrant who wants in It seems that most of the world has signed up to Net Zero by 2035, even the oil rich countries are on board. Immigration seems quite high under 13 years of None Blair like government. If Starmer is successful in his aim of increasing industrial output and of firing up the economy, he will have to import skilled, trained and professional people to keep up with an expanding economy, just as Blair did. Labour has to get immigration down. In a way, the tories have helped them enormously by letting it get so out of control, because Labour can now cut it in half, claim to have made progress on the problem that so many people care so much about, and yet still have higher net immigration than before Brexit. But I think they have got to be very clear about what the policy is and why -- what they cannot do is claim they want to bring immigration down at the same time as deliberately encouraging it for reasons such as you have described. There has to be a coherent policy (which is precisely what the tories do not have). My own opinion is that if they actually want to win votes, then instead of importing skilled, trained people he will enact policies designed to increase the number of skilled, trained people the UK produces itself. There is absolutely no long-term reason why the UK should have to import nurses, doctors, teachers, etc... Yes, that means we have to pay to train them, but isn't that exactly the sort of investment that a good Labour government should be making? What good is a Labour Party which can't organise the workforce, especially in the public sector? |
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Post by anthropoz on Apr 7, 2024 20:11:55 GMT
...He will endeavour to repair the Tory damage to the NHS and othe public services, he will try to help ordinary people instead of kicking ordinary people in the teeth as the Tories have done... And when have Labour ever done that? They are the enemy of ordinary people. Labour created the NHS. The tories have always hated it, and always deliberately run it into the ground, because they would like it to cease to exist one day. I thought everybody knew that. The political reality of the post-war UK is not some sort of secret. The tories have always represented the interests of the richest 10%, by trying to assemble a coalition of support large enough to ensure they retain power. Labour has always attempted to govern in the interest of everybody else, with varying degrees of success. |
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Post by patman post on Apr 7, 2024 20:21:04 GMT
Isn’t the general feeling among voters interviewed for opinion polls becoming clear that we need a change?
Whatever the current government tries gets overshadowed by the everyday realities of a crumbling health service and rising costs.
Failing football teams get a new manager. Failing countries need a new government…
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 7, 2024 21:18:17 GMT
And when have Labour ever done that? They are the enemy of ordinary people. Labour created the NHS. The tories have always hated it, and always deliberately run it into the ground, because they would like it to cease to exist one day. I thought everybody knew that. what is this obsession that those on the left have with the NHS? - every developed country has a health system and most perform better than the NHS. It is government supplied healthcare, nothing more nothing less. Even the US (home of private medicine) has a version in the VA - which actually performs as well (badly) as the NHS. The NHS is nothing to be proud about. |
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