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Post by Vinny on Nov 26, 2022 10:19:13 GMT
My home nation is the UK, we have four teams.
The current England squad have displayed political cowardice. I cannot support them in this tournament, therefore I lend my support to a team not in it.
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 26, 2022 10:25:07 GMT
You got that wrong. I didn't 'rant ABS'. I said I couldn't give a fig who Scotland play or lose to. I don't have a problem - pointing out predictable bitterness and envy of a Scottish Nat isn't a problem it's an observation. That's what the WC is for Scots. They can't support their own team so their bitterness, hate and envy is put into supporting ABE. Small time. Still, it isn't as bad as watching Sturgeon flicking the bean at Macron, Biden, Sinn Fein and anyone who may listen.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 10:27:15 GMT
My home nation is the UK, we have four teams. The current England squad have displayed political cowardice. I cannot support them in this tournament, therefore I lend my support to a team not in it. They kick a ball around and have been selected from a young age to do just that. They shouldn't be political, or used by any corrupt organisation to promote globalist political agendas. All this virtue signalling has totally put me off the whole thing.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 26, 2022 10:30:06 GMT
FIFA is corrupt, Qatar is a dictatorship, why should I ignore that just for a bit of football on the telly? I'd rather watch a grassroots match with people who have heart than this expensive spectacle laid on by corrupt officials.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 10:34:10 GMT
FIFA is corrupt, Qatar is a dictatorship, why should I ignore that just for a bit of football on the telly? I'd rather watch a grassroots match with people who have heart than this expensive spectacle laid on by corrupt officials. I agree. England is just one team in an event and have to abide to the same rules as every other team/country. The only sport today that seems free of all this is Snooker. Even Tennis is a load of cringe thesedays, but for some reason they hold events in Qatar and nobody cares. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 26, 2022 11:47:11 GMT
I think we can all agree that Qatar should never have been awarded this WC by the corrupt officials of FIFA.
However it's too late to do anything about it now so protesting and exposing the Qatar regime and FIFA for the scum they are is the best action we can take.
The decision where to hold the WC is not the responsibility of the players, some of them might never again get the chance to go to the ultimate football competition so as with the Olympics I don't support a boycott. If Margaret Thatcher can take the decision not to deprive athletes of the opportunity to go to Russia in 1980 then I don't believe pressure should be put on England players to refuse to go. They can all make that decision for themselves if they wish.
Performers and celebrities such as Beckham and Robbie Williams going there just to suck on Mammon's dick is a different matter. Same with advertisers and sponsors.
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Post by thomas on Nov 26, 2022 12:09:58 GMT
So being against a dictatorship hosting a major football event, that it won the hosting rights to through FIFA corruption, is virtue signalling is it ? Having solidarity with the workers who died in the construction of stadia, is virtue signalling ? Being against the anti liberal laws of the country is virtue signalling ? aye vinny it is. Lets put a bit of perspective on this shall we?
The world cup was awarded to qatar 12 years ago , and in that time , what have you or the other "outraged" done? Sweet feck all. Same as ever .
Apart from jumping on a politics forum , giving yourself a hug at being the worlds moral conscience when it suits of course.
selective principles of course.
The uk isnt a country , its a multi national state that doesnt exist in the footballing world , hence why England and wales but not the uk are competing.
Reality check needed for vincent once again in amongst all his virtue signalling.
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Post by thomas on Nov 26, 2022 12:13:00 GMT
The first post in the thread was an englishman virtue signalling about the world cup and bringing scotland into his moans. The ABE comment was made a day later by moray. Get your glasses on and facts straight.
which begs the question why keep mentioning us and bringing us into your wee moans about world football? As i said , the big international teams like Brazil or Germany do their talking on the pitch. They arent concerned what scotland or anyone else does.
The englishman however , is constantly looking over his shoulder desperate to be seen to be doing better than a country that he tells us is worse than costa rica. 
In footballing terms , we scots live in the shadow of the great international teams who actually go out and win trophies.
Most of us coudnt give a flying feck about England. Those of us who support football enjoy watching the tournaments and seeing the great players involved. Then some paranoid englishman comes up and crys about us not supporting the minnows of north west europe , and it all kicks off.
No one cares mate. No one is interested in your country.
The op was about an englishman upset about football corruption , and how he was going to set his village maypole on fire and morris dancing bells in the bin in protest , while his national side couldnt even stand by the courage of thier convictions , and bottled out of wearing a one love armband in case they got a yellow card.
Yet another outrage bus to jump on to my mind for the average daily wail reader.
Scotland are irrelevant. I was responding to a Scottish nationalist's post not the OP. Ah! goal post get moved as ever.
Well done anyway mate.
Your team took the knee , showed the world your moral backbone , and managed to get a draw with the world power that is the united states.
Well done england.
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Post by thomas on Nov 26, 2022 12:20:09 GMT
As neither the current England squad or the current Wales squad are boycotting a dictatorship, fuck them both. see my earlier post. No one else is either so why single out england and wales?
Twelve years people like you have had to organise some sort of show of defiance , and the best we have seen so far is the germans covering their mouths at a photo shoot , and england taking the knee.
Tell me vinny , what did you do when russia held the world cup , or the allegations of bribery and corruption surfaced when the germans won the right to host the 2006 world cup? ( etc etc etc)
Were you out protesting when the yanks participated in germany 2006 after the illegal invasion of iraq and the killing of thousands?
The selective virtue signalling at these sporting events , from the likes of lineker down to plebs on internet forums is hilarious.
The time to have done something is long past. We will have to listen to a bit of a whinge from the likes of you for a few weeks , and then it will all be forgotten as happens every world cup , until the next virtue signalling fest takes place on the latest moral outrage.
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Post by thomas on Nov 26, 2022 12:28:40 GMT
What you are supposed to do is support your own home nation, if they are not still in it you support the other home nations, if they are all out you support a Commonwealth country and after that you support anyone but Argentina. That's what I do anyway. God save the King. Well no you dont.
Sorry monte , that is guff , and shows a complete lack of understanding of footballs tribal mentality.
You dont see man utd fans cheering on liverpool , or rangers cheering on celtic do you?
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Post by thomas on Nov 26, 2022 12:32:12 GMT
FIFA is corrupt, Qatar is a dictatorship, why should I ignore that just for a bit of football on the telly? I'd rather watch a grassroots match with people who have heart than this expensive spectacle laid on by corrupt officials. Well you have made your point vinny. You turn your telly off in outrage ,and shout at yourself in your darkened living room , and the rest of us can watch the tournament in peace .
Im just getting into it personally. Getting better as the tournament goes on , and last night was feckin hilarious.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 26, 2022 12:50:01 GMT
What you are supposed to do is support your own home nation, if they are not still in it you support the other home nations, if they are all out you support a Commonwealth country and after that you support anyone but Argentina. That's what I do anyway. God save the King. Well no you dont.
Sorry monte , that is guff , and shows a complete lack of understanding of footballs tribal mentality.
You dont see man utd fans cheering on liverpool , or rangers cheering on celtic do you?
As a proud european , im cheering on France. I support British clubs in European competitions. I can't exactly support my club as we've barely kicked a ball in Europe since we ripped up the seats in Paris and got British teams kicked out of it entirely for a few years. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 26, 2022 13:05:20 GMT
Well no you dont.
Sorry monte , that is guff , and shows a complete lack of understanding of footballs tribal mentality.
You dont see man utd fans cheering on liverpool , or rangers cheering on celtic do you?
As a proud european , im cheering on France. I support British clubs in European competitions. I can't exactly support my club as we've barely kicked a ball in Europe since we ripped up the seats in Paris and got British teams kicked out of it entirely for a few years. Im a celtic fan , and i havent ever supported rangers in any competition in my life. All i can say is you cant be a serious football supporter in my opinion , if you believe bitter rivals supporters will root for each other in footballing competitions.
You are free however to support whoever you wish in the world cup , as am i ,and moray , and i dont and wont be supporting your country.
I support fellow european teams in world competitions , and my support is going to France , as my country isnt at the world cup.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 26, 2022 13:24:36 GMT
I support British clubs in European competitions. I can't exactly support my club as we've barely kicked a ball in Europe since we ripped up the seats in Paris and got British teams kicked out of it entirely for a few years. Im a celtic fan , and i havent ever supported rangers in any competition in my life. All i can say is you cant be a serious football supporter in my opinion , if you believe bitter rivals supporters will root for each other in footballing competitions.
You are free however to support whoever you wish in the world cup , as am i ,and moray , and i dont and wont be supporting your country.
I support fellow european teams in world competitions , and my support is going to France , as my country isnt at the world cup.
As a Scottish nationalist you have your own reasons for refusing to support England and the Commonwealth. I'm not a Yorkshireman so I don't feel the same rivalry with other teams from the county or Man Utd. I am only a Leeds fan through a quirk of timing. Aged about 5 I asked my father who was the best team and he replied that since Leeds had just won the FA cup the day earlier you could argue that they are. I suspect he just wanted to wind up our Arsenal fanatic neighbours. My father always supported the team closest to where we lived at the time and had the same views as me on international competition but also including Eire since he was half Irish himself. As a quarter Irish myself I have a fondness for them too. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 26, 2022 14:01:45 GMT
Im a celtic fan , and i havent ever supported rangers in any competition in my life. All i can say is you cant be a serious football supporter in my opinion , if you believe bitter rivals supporters will root for each other in footballing competitions.
You are free however to support whoever you wish in the world cup , as am i ,and moray , and i dont and wont be supporting your country.
I support fellow european teams in world competitions , and my support is going to France , as my country isnt at the world cup.
As a Scottish nationalist you have your own reasons for refusing to support England and the Commonwealth. Whats politics got to do with it? Ive already made the non political point that in the tribal world of football support , rival teams supporters dont tend to support each other?
I have also said both you and i can support whoever we like .In my case if my country or club team isnt playing , then i can support or choose not to support whoever i wish.
Not sure what your england and commonwealth comment means , but if you are once again implying this unspoken "rule" that i have to support the other teams from a particular geographical location , then im following that rule by supporting a fellow european team....France.
Why should my footballing support be constrained by your narrow british nationalism and English imperialism?
? Dont understand your sentence mate . I havent called you a yorkshireman , my point was rival footballing teams supporters dont tend to support each other . Scotland and england , man utd liverpool , rangers celtic etc etc all fall into that category.
Well good luck to you , but my point remains we can all support whoever we wish. We arent constrained by silly unspoken rules , and tend to follow tribal rivalry in disliking opposing rival teams.
I probably have more irish blood in my veins than half the population of ireland , but i dont suport the republic , i support scotland.
We have no obligation to support any country we dont want to , so im not supporting england. English fans can take it as they like , it wont make a jot of a difference to me or any one else.
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